Pentax Full Frame Poll

vn33 · 08-25-2011, 07:48 AM

I absolutely support the idea of Pentax introducing a FF camera ... the sooner, the better. You see, once they do that, I would benefit from the number of DA lenses appearing on Marketplace. Am sure I can find something to go along with my K-r :-)

jsherman999 · 08-25-2011, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by vn33

I absolutely support the idea of Pentax introducing a FF camera ... the sooner, the better. You see, once they do that, I would benefit from the number of DA lenses appearing on Marketplace. Am sure I can find something to go along with my K-r :-)

Depends on what you hope to find on the marketplace - many "DA" lenses are fully usable on FF and an FF buyer may elect to keep them.

**ManuH** · 08-25-2011, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by eddie1960

Actually given the Nex-7 has SR

AFAIK the Nex series doesn't have SR in the body, it's disappointingly in the lens. Only Olympus has implemented it in a mirrorless camera.

eddie1960 · 08-25-2011, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by ManuH

AFAIK the Nex series doesn't have SR in the body, it's disappointingly in the lens. Only Olympus has implemented it in a mirrorless camera.

thanks you're right of course

i was thinking of the other nor so small Sonys

**Aristophanes** · 08-25-2011, 12:16 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by ManuH

Really? What about the Nex-7? It can't be the electronics taking that much space. OK the sensor has to be bigger, maybe also the pentaprism (but it could use less magnification). But otherwise? If we leave SR aside I'm sure a FF Pentax could be as small as a K-5.

The biggest complaint about APS-C after IQ is the smaller VF. So why downgrade the VF on FF Makes no sense fir the cost. SR will make it bigger than a K-5. PDAF near-equivalent to a Nikon D700 will take up more space, and for $3,000 I had better get that good an AF. The whole point of a DSLR is the OVF with a secondary feature the unmatched rapidity of PDAF. These take up physical space. If you want smaller list what features you are willing to lose while still paying $3,000.

JeffJS · 08-25-2011, 12:24 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The biggest complaint about APS-C after IQ is the smaller VF. So why downgrade the VF on FF Makes no sense fir the cost. SR will make it bigger than a K-5. PDAF near-equivalent to a Nikon D700 will take up more space, and for $3,000 I had better get that good an AF. The whole point of a DSLR is the OVF with a secondary feature the unmatched rapidity of PDAF. These take up physical space. If you want smaller list what features you are willing to lose while still paying $3,000.

+1

eddie1960 · 08-26-2011, 05:52 AM

FF feh I want 8x10

Mitchell Feinberg’s 8×10 Digital Capture Back

**Aristophanes** · 08-27-2011, 08:53 AM

Sony still planning full-frame camera - British Journal of Photography

Sounds like Sony still has not decided on which direction to go with FF.

**Rondec** · 08-27-2011, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by jsherman999

Depends on what you hope to find on the marketplace - many "DA" lenses are fully usable on FF and an FF buyer may elect to keep them.

It depends on what you mean by usable. The DA 40, for instance, already has 0.8 EV of vignetting on APS-C wide open, certainly this will worsen when shooting on full frame. The DA 70, also touted as being "full frame compatible" has similar characteristics. I, for one, would be a lot more interested in the FA limiteds (as well as other full frame lenses), if I owned such a camera.

aurele · 08-27-2011, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

It depends on what you mean by usable. The DA 40, for instance, already has 0.8 EV of vignetting on APS-C wide open, certainly this will worsen when shooting on full frame. The DA 70, also touted as being "full frame compatible" has similar characteristics. I, for one, would be a lot more interested in the FA limiteds (as well as other full frame lenses), if I owned such a camera.

i suggest you this thread https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens-...ts-thread.html

**Rondec** · 08-27-2011, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by aurele

i suggest you this thread https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens-...ts-thread.html

I have read it and many of the DA lenses are rated as either not usable or, only usable stopped down. There are a handful of telephotos, the DA * primes and the 60-250 zoom that seem to be rated highly on full frame. I just don't know that you would keep a lens that you have to stop down to f4 to get rid of vignetting, particularly if there are other lenses out there that will perform better.

Emacs · 08-27-2011, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Rondec

I just don't know that you would keep a lens that you have to stop down to f4 to get rid of vignetting

It isn't any worse than stopping down to f4 in order to make shots sharp enough on APS-C

Emacs · 08-29-2011, 04:12 AM

So, I don't know about other places, but our (Moscow) pentaxians are switching to canikon (usually canon 5d mk ii). These are people who spend quite much. With this mindless APS-C only behaviour pentax is only losing its audience and money. Tiny limiteds is not a good niche.
I'm on pentax only because my LBA is over. It's highly unlikely I will ever buy pentax APS-C camera and this is quite bad for them because they would expect for $1000-$3000 per year from me. Even worse: I will not recommend pentax for anyone. Mirroless cams, especially samsung nx, look like much more reasonable solution nowdays. In other cases it's beter for them to choose something from canon/nikon.

**Digitalis** · 08-29-2011, 06:33 AM

there should be a "I don't care" option, But I suppose that is my apathy amplified by the fact that I already own several full frame cameras.

Rupert · 08-29-2011, 07:40 AM

My friend in Dallas Tex...has a highly successful photo business, large studio and impressive list of clients. Shoots with a D3X and two D700s, all the best strobes and lenses.
Bought a K5 for his trip to Europe this last Spring because of the size and the DPR review.....and from using my K5 for a short shooting spree with the 43 LTD mounted. He loved the K5 and it is now his main camera outside the studio.
In a recent discussion where I mentioned that many(?) in Pentaxland were clamoring for FF....his response was ...Why?

I kind of think that if you are not getting what you want with the K5 and the proper lenses to match, FF is not going to change much in your photography. You are likely to lose more than you gain. Just how I see it, based on people more knowledgeable than me that shoot both ways.

Regards!

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08-29-2011, 04:12 AM	#253
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	So, I don't know about other places, but our (Moscow) pentaxians are switching to canikon (usually canon 5d mk ii). These are people who spend quite much. With this mindless APS-C only behaviour pentax is only losing its audience and money. Tiny limiteds is not a good niche. I'm on pentax only because my LBA is over. It's highly unlikely I will ever buy pentax APS-C camera and this is quite bad for them because they would expect for $1000-$3000 per year from me. Even worse: I will not recommend pentax for anyone. Mirroless cams, especially samsung nx, look like much more reasonable solution nowdays. In other cases it's beter for them to choose something from canon/nikon. Last edited by Emacs; 08-29-2011 at 05:03 AM.

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08-25-2011, 07:48 AM	#241
vn33 Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: GTA, Ontario Posts: 61	I absolutely support the idea of Pentax introducing a FF camera ... the sooner, the better. You see, once they do that, I would benefit from the number of DA lenses appearing on Marketplace. Am sure I can find something to go along with my K-r :-)

08-25-2011, 07:56 AM	#242
jsherman999 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,237	Originally posted by vn33 I absolutely support the idea of Pentax introducing a FF camera ... the sooner, the better. You see, once they do that, I would benefit from the number of DA lenses appearing on Marketplace. Am sure I can find something to go along with my K-r :-) Depends on what you hope to find on the marketplace - many "DA" lenses are fully usable on FF and an FF buyer may elect to keep them.

08-25-2011, 09:39 AM	#243
ManuH Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,249	Originally posted by eddie1960 Actually given the Nex-7 has SR AFAIK the Nex series doesn't have SR in the body, it's disappointingly in the lens. Only Olympus has implemented it in a mirrorless camera.

08-25-2011, 10:01 AM	#244
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	Originally posted by ManuH AFAIK the Nex series doesn't have SR in the body, it's disappointingly in the lens. Only Olympus has implemented it in a mirrorless camera. thanks you're right of course i was thinking of the other nor so small Sonys

08-25-2011, 12:16 PM - 1 Like	#245
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Originally posted by ManuH Really? What about the Nex-7? It can't be the electronics taking that much space. OK the sensor has to be bigger, maybe also the pentaprism (but it could use less magnification). But otherwise? If we leave SR aside I'm sure a FF Pentax could be as small as a K-5. The biggest complaint about APS-C after IQ is the smaller VF. So why downgrade the VF on FF Makes no sense fir the cost. SR will make it bigger than a K-5. PDAF near-equivalent to a Nikon D700 will take up more space, and for $3,000 I had better get that good an AF. The whole point of a DSLR is the OVF with a secondary feature the unmatched rapidity of PDAF. These take up physical space. If you want smaller list what features you are willing to lose while still paying $3,000.

08-25-2011, 12:24 PM	#246
JeffJS Inactive Account Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Michigan, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,484	Originally posted by Aristophanes The biggest complaint about APS-C after IQ is the smaller VF. So why downgrade the VF on FF Makes no sense fir the cost. SR will make it bigger than a K-5. PDAF near-equivalent to a Nikon D700 will take up more space, and for $3,000 I had better get that good an AF. The whole point of a DSLR is the OVF with a secondary feature the unmatched rapidity of PDAF. These take up physical space. If you want smaller list what features you are willing to lose while still paying $3,000. +1

08-26-2011, 05:52 AM	#247
eddie1960 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,667	FF feh I want 8x10 Mitchell Feinberg’s 8×10 Digital Capture Back

08-27-2011, 08:53 AM	#248
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	Sony still planning full-frame camera - British Journal of Photography Sounds like Sony still has not decided on which direction to go with FF.

08-27-2011, 10:38 AM	#249
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,662	Originally posted by jsherman999 Depends on what you hope to find on the marketplace - many "DA" lenses are fully usable on FF and an FF buyer may elect to keep them. It depends on what you mean by usable. The DA 40, for instance, already has 0.8 EV of vignetting on APS-C wide open, certainly this will worsen when shooting on full frame. The DA 70, also touted as being "full frame compatible" has similar characteristics. I, for one, would be a lot more interested in the FA limiteds (as well as other full frame lenses), if I owned such a camera.

08-27-2011, 11:01 AM	#250
aurele Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Paris, France Photos: Albums Posts: 3,217	Originally posted by Rondec It depends on what you mean by usable. The DA 40, for instance, already has 0.8 EV of vignetting on APS-C wide open, certainly this will worsen when shooting on full frame. The DA 70, also touted as being "full frame compatible" has similar characteristics. I, for one, would be a lot more interested in the FA limiteds (as well as other full frame lenses), if I owned such a camera. i suggest you this thread https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens-...ts-thread.html

08-27-2011, 11:52 AM	#251
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,662	Originally posted by aurele i suggest you this thread https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-slr-lens-discussion/31629-da-lens-...ts-thread.html I have read it and many of the DA lenses are rated as either not usable or, only usable stopped down. There are a handful of telephotos, the DA * primes and the 60-250 zoom that seem to be rated highly on full frame. I just don't know that you would keep a lens that you have to stop down to f4 to get rid of vignetting, particularly if there are other lenses out there that will perform better.

08-27-2011, 12:11 PM	#252
Emacs Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Moscow Posts: 1,223	Originally posted by Rondec I just don't know that you would keep a lens that you have to stop down to f4 to get rid of vignetting It isn't any worse than stopping down to f4 in order to make shots sharp enough on APS-C

08-29-2011, 06:33 AM	#254
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	there should be a "I don't care" option, But I suppose that is my apathy amplified by the fact that I already own several full frame cameras.

08-29-2011, 07:40 AM	#255
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	My friend in Dallas Tex...has a highly successful photo business, large studio and impressive list of clients. Shoots with a D3X and two D700s, all the best strobes and lenses. Bought a K5 for his trip to Europe this last Spring because of the size and the DPR review.....and from using my K5 for a short shooting spree with the 43 LTD mounted. He loved the K5 and it is now his main camera outside the studio. In a recent discussion where I mentioned that many(?) in Pentaxland were clamoring for FF....his response was ...Why? I kind of think that if you are not getting what you want with the K5 and the proper lenses to match, FF is not going to change much in your photography. You are likely to lose more than you gain. Just how I see it, based on people more knowledgeable than me that shoot both ways. Regards!