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maxamillion · 12-06-2007, 06:20 PM

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Thursday, November 29, 2007
Pentax K20D on show at PMA 2008
Pentax K20D is coming and according to sources will be on display at the PMA 2008 show. The announcement of the 14 megapixel dslr together with the K200 is expected at january 24 2008.

The Pentax k20D has a 14 megapixel Pentax proprietary cmos sensor, 3 inch screen of the same type seen on Nikon models, live view, revamped anti shake, and it also seems a new file format in addition to the PEF, DNG and jpeg presently in the K10D. We can only assume it may be a uncompressed raw format.

The sensor itself is stirring a lot of comments at photo forums. This would be Pentax first sensor, but building a sensor demands huge resources and a foundry. Such an undertaking in secret is very doubtful and most seem to agree that the "Pentax sensor" must be a licensed 3:rd party product.

Sony does not have a 14 megapixel sensor so it may come as a surprise to some about who is working with Pentax in this regard, you will just have to wait and see Wink

Pentax management outlined in March 2007 the direction of Pentax DSLR products and declared that consecutive models would offer true upgrades and not just reworked models (like the *ist that had numerous versions on the market)

The K20d may use the same body as the present K10d but the difference in specifications will be so big that this truly is a new model - it is not a K10d mkII. If for nothing else, just the new sensor merits a new model name.

Expect a starting price at around 1400 us$. Pentax is starting to look like a serious playter. the only backwash is the lens market that is still weaker on choice that the other brands. This has in part to do with the cooperation between Tokina and Pentax. As a direct result, some 3-party models are unfortunately not available in Pentax mount. However - it seems that the new Tamron 70 - 200 2.8 will also have pentax mount. Very good news indeed as this lens is a stellar performer - and lightweight. More on that later.

Stay tuned for more news on Pentax K20D and the K200 (that will have the 10 megapixel sensor).

Buddha Jones · 12-06-2007, 06:35 PM

Hoooray!!!!!

jgredline · 12-06-2007, 09:31 PM

truly, I pray that this happens

soon

m8o · 12-06-2007, 10:17 PM

Yippie Yahooee ... no longer thinly veiled hints followed by a "but I can't tell you more"...

stewart_photo · 12-07-2007, 03:22 AM

Don't get too excited. Click on the "BACK HOME TO MAIN BLOG" link at the bottom of that page. The text quoted is from a blog written by a individual identified only as "Mike," no different than the other speculation written within this forum. In fact, since he specifically mentions "forums" in that text, it appears the content is directly from various forums such as this one.

stewart

-spam- · 12-07-2007, 03:29 AM

Im almost embarrassed to admit that the only part of the blog entry that i liked was the bit at the end that spoke about the tammy 70-200

benjikan · 12-07-2007, 06:27 AM

A very interesting and illuminating blog. Wondering what his sources were?

Ben

Wethphotography · 12-07-2007, 06:35 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

A very interesting and illuminating blog. Wondering what his sources were?

Ben

Ben,
Continuing the thread of speculation, innuendo, and inference, I find it interesting that you do not dismiss the content of the blog entry.

jgredline · 12-07-2007, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

A very interesting and illuminating blog. Wondering what his sources were?

Ben

Ben
Being that you are a pro with an in at pentax, is there any truth to the rumor?
I googled it and there is quite a bit written on the K20D and K200D.

mattdm · 12-07-2007, 08:52 AM

Quote:

[...]and it also seems a new file format in addition to the PEF, DNG and jpeg presently in the K10D. We can only assume it may be a uncompressed raw format.

Why can we only assume that?

Since that's what DNG is already, that seems like it'd be one of the last things I'd assume. And if there's something to be gained from a brand-new RAW format, I'd expect PEF to be expanded rather than a replacement added.

Maybe TIFF, although that doesn't seem terribly likely either given that we're living in the 21st century now.

Could be JPEG 2000, although that certainly hasn't gotten much real-world backing in the past decade and I don't see why it'd start now.

So possibly it's Microsoft's new JPEG XR (aka "HD Photo" or "Windows Media Photo") format. That would be really kind of cool, assuming Microsoft follows through on their open source licensing promises for the format. With 16 (or even 32) bits per channel, it's got a lot more room for the future, and a chance of becoming standard in web browsers so it could be a real jpeg replacement. (Combined with the xvYCC wide-gamut colorspace which will be widely available in devices due to the push from the TV/video side of things, yum!)

Crescent City · 12-07-2007, 09:14 AM

Couldn't it simply be compressed DNG, although I don't know why they would offer uncompressed and compressed DNG. With a price point of $1,400, I would think they would need a magnesium alloy body to stay competitive with the A700. But maybe not. Personally, being something of a hobbyist, I would like to see an HDMI port. ch

WMBP · 12-07-2007, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by Crescent City

Couldn't it simply be compressed DNG, although I don't know why they would offer uncompressed and compressed DNG.

Because compressing the files takes time. On the K10D, it's faster to shoot DNG than PEF, and I believe that this is because DNG is uncompressed and PEF is compressed. Of course, it's not a LOT faster and it almost never matters to me, so I generally shoot PEF, because compressed PEFs are so much smaller. I then convert those files to compressed DNG on my computer. But since I don't give a flip about PEF at all, I'd rather have a choice between compressed and uncompressed DNG. K would probably not use uncompressed DNG very often -- but I would not mind having it.

Will

dbh · 12-07-2007, 10:57 AM

My guess: something like PEF but 14-bit.
PEF* maybe
--
dbh

Matt Miller · 12-07-2007, 12:14 PM

What about small raw like Canon is offering. I'd love to have smaller files, but with all that raw offers. I don't often need, nor want, full resolution files.

Photo Tramp · 12-07-2007, 01:20 PM

well it looks like the first of the year will tell the tail. For me it will mean maybe buying a used k10 and stepping up into 10 mps. I would really like to see something on the side of true 35mm, some where around 16 to 18mps. before I would get excited, but for now I will wait to see what the new year brings. I won't speculate on any of the rumors at this time and I'll wait to see what is really being offered. then I might get excited but for now I'll just wait and see.

12-06-2007, 06:20 PM	#1
maxamillion Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 89	Pentax K20D Last Thursday from Stock Photo. Rg. Pentax K20D on show at PMA 2008 - Stock Photo market and Creative Digital Photography guide Thursday, November 29, 2007 Pentax K20D on show at PMA 2008 Pentax K20D is coming and according to sources will be on display at the PMA 2008 show. The announcement of the 14 megapixel dslr together with the K200 is expected at january 24 2008. The Pentax k20D has a 14 megapixel Pentax proprietary cmos sensor, 3 inch screen of the same type seen on Nikon models, live view, revamped anti shake, and it also seems a new file format in addition to the PEF, DNG and jpeg presently in the K10D. We can only assume it may be a uncompressed raw format. The sensor itself is stirring a lot of comments at photo forums. This would be Pentax first sensor, but building a sensor demands huge resources and a foundry. Such an undertaking in secret is very doubtful and most seem to agree that the "Pentax sensor" must be a licensed 3:rd party product. Sony does not have a 14 megapixel sensor so it may come as a surprise to some about who is working with Pentax in this regard, you will just have to wait and see Wink Pentax management outlined in March 2007 the direction of Pentax DSLR products and declared that consecutive models would offer true upgrades and not just reworked models (like the *ist that had numerous versions on the market) The K20d may use the same body as the present K10d but the difference in specifications will be so big that this truly is a new model - it is not a K10d mkII. If for nothing else, just the new sensor merits a new model name. Expect a starting price at around 1400 us$. Pentax is starting to look like a serious playter. the only backwash is the lens market that is still weaker on choice that the other brands. This has in part to do with the cooperation between Tokina and Pentax. As a direct result, some 3-party models are unfortunately not available in Pentax mount. However - it seems that the new Tamron 70 - 200 2.8 will also have pentax mount. Very good news indeed as this lens is a stellar performer - and lightweight. More on that later. Stay tuned for more news on Pentax K20D and the K200 (that will have the 10 megapixel sensor).

12-07-2007, 03:22 AM	#5
stewart_photo Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 1,864	Speculation On A Blog. Don't get too excited. Click on the "BACK HOME TO MAIN BLOG" link at the bottom of that page. The text quoted is from a blog written by a individual identified only as "Mike," no different than the other speculation written within this forum. In fact, since he specifically mentions "forums" in that text, it appears the content is directly from various forums such as this one. stewart

12-07-2007, 06:27 AM	#7
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	... A very interesting and illuminating blog. Wondering what his sources were? Ben

12-07-2007, 08:52 AM	#10
mattdm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boston, MA Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,948	file formats Quote: [...]and it also seems a new file format in addition to the PEF, DNG and jpeg presently in the K10D. We can only assume it may be a uncompressed raw format. Why can we only assume that? Since that's what DNG is already, that seems like it'd be one of the last things I'd assume. And if there's something to be gained from a brand-new RAW format, I'd expect PEF to be expanded rather than a replacement added. Maybe TIFF, although that doesn't seem terribly likely either given that we're living in the 21st century now. Could be JPEG 2000, although that certainly hasn't gotten much real-world backing in the past decade and I don't see why it'd start now. So possibly it's Microsoft's new JPEG XR (aka "HD Photo" or "Windows Media Photo") format. That would be really kind of cool, assuming Microsoft follows through on their open source licensing promises for the format. With 16 (or even 32) bits per channel, it's got a lot more room for the future, and a chance of becoming standard in web browsers so it could be a real jpeg replacement. (Combined with the xvYCC wide-gamut colorspace which will be widely available in devices due to the push from the TV/video side of things, yum!)

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Buddha Jones Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,587	Hoooray!!!!!

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m8o Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 40°-55'-44" N / 73°-24'-07" W [on LI] Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,092	Yippie Yahooee ... no longer thinly veiled hints followed by a "but I can't tell you more"...

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-spam- Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 354	Im almost embarrassed to admit that the only part of the blog entry that i liked was the bit at the end that spoke about the tammy 70-200

12-07-2007, 06:35 AM	#8
Wethphotography Inactive Account Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Washington, D.C., USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 417	Originally posted by benjikan A very interesting and illuminating blog. Wondering what his sources were? Ben Ben, Continuing the thread of speculation, innuendo, and inference, I find it interesting that you do not dismiss the content of the blog entry.

12-07-2007, 07:32 AM	#9
jgredline Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: LosAngeles, Ca. Photos: Albums Posts: 10,628	Originally posted by benjikan A very interesting and illuminating blog. Wondering what his sources were? Ben Ben Being that you are a pro with an in at pentax, is there any truth to the rumor? I googled it and there is quite a bit written on the K20D and K200D.

12-07-2007, 09:14 AM	#11
Crescent City Inactive Account Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: New Orleans, La Posts: 55	Couldn't it simply be compressed DNG, although I don't know why they would offer uncompressed and compressed DNG. With a price point of $1,400, I would think they would need a magnesium alloy body to stay competitive with the A700. But maybe not. Personally, being something of a hobbyist, I would like to see an HDMI port. ch

12-07-2007, 09:32 AM	#12
WMBP Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,482	Originally posted by Crescent City Couldn't it simply be compressed DNG, although I don't know why they would offer uncompressed and compressed DNG. Because compressing the files takes time. On the K10D, it's faster to shoot DNG than PEF, and I believe that this is because DNG is uncompressed and PEF is compressed. Of course, it's not a LOT faster and it almost never matters to me, so I generally shoot PEF, because compressed PEFs are so much smaller. I then convert those files to compressed DNG on my computer. But since I don't give a flip about PEF at all, I'd rather have a choice between compressed and uncompressed DNG. K would probably not use uncompressed DNG very often -- but I would not mind having it. Will

12-07-2007, 10:57 AM	#13
dbh Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Edmonton Photos: Gallery Posts: 404	My guess: something like PEF but 14-bit. PEF* maybe -- dbh

12-07-2007, 12:14 PM	#14
Matt Miller Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Cambridge, Iowa Photos: Gallery Posts: 339	What about small raw like Canon is offering. I'd love to have smaller files, but with all that raw offers. I don't often need, nor want, full resolution files.

12-07-2007, 01:20 PM	#15
Photo Tramp Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA. Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,041	well it looks like the first of the year will tell the tail. For me it will mean maybe buying a used k10 and stepping up into 10 mps. I would really like to see something on the side of true 35mm, some where around 16 to 18mps. before I would get excited, but for now I will wait to see what the new year brings. I won't speculate on any of the rumors at this time and I'll wait to see what is really being offered. then I might get excited but for now I'll just wait and see.