Can't help myself laughing at faulty new N****n D300's

**Canada_Rockies** · 12-12-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by lol101

"I've been waiting for two days for the KxxD to take a good picture without success!! Should I open the box or just return it?"

Good line, that one!

celetron · 12-12-2007, 09:50 AM

Originally posted by kb244

Based on someone known no other than simply 'Monique'. In the other forum, no one thus far has reported any similar issues, nor have anything shows up on google search of the issue.

I just think its somewhat premature (and somewhat childish) to immediately bash the brand based on one persons's account with no confirmable credibility or other accounts to back it up. The first thing some of us do when we have a problem, especially when complaining on the web is to mention that others have been having the same problem, since theres perceived credibility in numbers.

So far as we can tell at this point, it may be merely an isolated incident, or even perhaps operator error.

D300 Autofocus ? (posts re problems): Nikon D300/D200/D100 Forum: Digital Photography Review
Is that enough? or is it still an unreliable source?

RBellavance · 12-12-2007, 09:59 AM

I can't help myself wondering why you'd laugh at other people's misfortune simply because they bought another brand of camera.

benjikan · 12-12-2007, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by lol101

I avoid laughing too hard at other's new models launch (D300 AF probs, 1DMk3 continuous AF, A700 mushy high ISO)... I prefer to save some for when the KxxD will arrive...

I just can't wait for the flurry of post going like:

"My new KxxD isn't as sharp as my 99$ P&S! (especially in the background with my 50@f1.4)"

"All my pictures are tack sharp: do I have simultaneous back and front focus issues??!!"

"KxxD fatal flaw: it spilled coffe on me!"

"ISO 6400 sux on the KxxD (underexposed by at least 2 stops pics in reply)"

"I've been waiting for two days for the KxxD to take a good picture without success!! Should I open the box or just return it?"

Aaaahhhh! I just can't wait for next june!

Oh...I didn't know that. I thought it was the camera not the person that takes a "Good" picture. Why is it that I often hear.."Hey that camera takes good 'pitchers'"

Ben

Confused · 12-12-2007, 12:33 PM

Hi RBellavance

Re your observation that:

Quote:

simply because they bought another brand of camera

......has a certain irony to it all. Now let's see, I considered C****n's & N****n's overhyped offerings & rejected them, Sonolta's stuff doesn't quite cut the mustard and as for Olympus's 4/3rd's system, well the less said the better.
Make mental note: award oneself extra brownie-points for making the right decision in the first place !
In all honesty at the price point that N****n chose to pitch their shiny-new D300, I would have naively expected flawless reliability and perhaps justifiably even more so from C****n's EOS-1D Mark III, especially taking into account the exalted echelon in which these cameras circulate.
I reckon that the enormous pressure in the factories to produce sufficient quantities to satisfy pre-orders, whilst getting additional product onto retailers shelves just in time for the Christmas bonanza might have had an undesirable knock-on effect concerning lax quality control issues. I was genuinely shocked at the inexcusable *response this unfortunate customer received from Nikon (*which is what made me laugh, not her bad luck) and it doesn't exactly endear confidence in the brand, if the information in the initial post is to be believed !

Quote:

Nikon has said that I can ship it back (at my cost), they will REPAIR the camera AND I might receive it -fixed-in about one to two months. Needless to say, this does not make me happy.

And here's another occurrence:

Quote:

Bah. Just got my D300 from B&H and nothing I could do got the focus to work. Naturally, B&H is out of D300's, so it is going back for a refund until they can get in some more. Nikon Service had never even heard of the problem and had no suggestions on how to fix it. Just my luck, and it was going to be an Xmas present.

I still have to pinch myself when I realise what amazing value Pentax's sturdy K10D currently offers at the price it sells for, even over here in 'rip-off' Euroland. IMHO digital photographers (particularly in the USA) have simply never had it so good 'deal-wise', so if I were you I'd grab 'em while you can !

Best regards
Richard

pentkon52 · 12-12-2007, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Confused

I still have to pinch myself when I realise what amazing value Pentax's sturdy K10D currently offers at the price it sells for, even over here in 'rip-off' Euroland. IMHO digital photographers (particularly in the USA) have simply never had it so good 'deal-wise', so if I were you I'd grab 'em while you can !

Best regards
Richard

You must not have heard the K10D jpgs are soft.

Dave

Confused · 12-12-2007, 01:29 PM

Hi Dave

Oh not THAT old chestnut again !!!!! Dear G*d, this subject has been beaten to within an inch of it's life already.
Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm not biting this time ! Get thee to a good optician....!

Best regards
Richard

WMBP · 12-12-2007, 01:49 PM

Sorry, I don't get the point here, unless it's just a break from work so we can pat ourselves on the back for having the good sense to buy Pentax rather than Nikon. Yeah, I feel good. I would not want one of those nasty Canon 5Ds or that lousy Nikon D3 thingy! Except that, to be honest, I would love to have either one, if money were no object. I'd like to get a Leica M8, too, as soon as I win the lottery.

Is the focusing problem with the D300 widespread? I've read an awful lot of reviews of the camera and nobody has mentioned a focusing problem. I assume that Nikon didn't design, test and release a camera that doesn't auto-focus at all.

I had a problem with a Pentax AF 540 FGZ flash. It was nearly new, only used a couple of times, and the zoom motor broke. I started a thread on it here and discovered that others have had the problem, too. Had to send it to Pentax (on my dime) and wait a month to get it back. What's the moral here? That Pentax sucks? I don't think so. Apparently there is a design weakness in the 540, but fortunately it doesn't affect the majority of users. C'est la vie.I wasn't ticked that it broke as much as I was that it took a month to get it repaired.

Mass-produced products will have quality control problems, until the end of time. If you assign a team of people to test and test thoroughly every single item that comes off the assembly line, well, then it's no longer mass produced and even a K10D will cost $5000.

Will

Confused · 12-12-2007, 02:17 PM

Hi Will

I'd also love a full-frame DSLR, but only on three conditions:

a) It doesn't weigh an absolute ton, like the present 5D/1Ds Mk II or D3 does
b) It's no bigger/bulkier and handles as ergonomically brilliantly as my present K10D
c) It's affordable for mere mortals !

Otherwise, I'm really not interested !

As for your other point:

Quote:

We can pat ourselves on the back for having the good sense to buy Pentax rather than Nikon.

Allelujah, I'm with you on THAT one all the way......Yesiree !!

Best regards
Richard

GaryML · 12-12-2007, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by Confused

...
Now let's see, I considered C****n's & N****n's overhyped offerings & rejected them, Sonolta's stuff doesn't quite cut the mustard and as for Olympus's 4/3rd's system, well the less said the better.
Make mental note: award oneself extra brownie-points for making the right decision in the first place !

[Flame Mode]

I'm glad you take such pleasure in the mis-fortune of others. So you think its funny that someone bought an $1800 camera that was defective and needs repair? Yea, that's really funny. I'll bet your idea of a good time is to go down to the local auto repair shop and laugh at all those poor saps who have to take their car in for repair. That's a real knee-slapper! Recently I bought a new iPod for my wife as a present and it was DOA out of the box. I took it back to the store and exchanged it. And everyone at the return counter was just laughing at me for being such a stupid idiot. I should have known better than to have bought an inferior defective product.

It's just wonderful that no-one has ever bought a defective Pentax product and had to return it or send it in for repair. And I am quite impressed that you've never bought a defective product. Please award yourself some extra brownie points!!! It's inexcusable (and even laugh-able!) that the rest of us are just so stupid for having selected defective junk. I'll keep that in mind when shooting photographs at the upcoming soccer tournament that my son will playing in next week. I get shot after shot in perfect focus with my Nikon gear -- shots that would be difficult or impossible to get with current Pentax gear. I guess I don't get any brownie points but I do get predictive continuous AF and a choice of good long lenses with Silent Wave Motors. Personally I prefer good photographs over brownie points anyway.

Well, you got one thing right: your choice of a screen name.

[/Flame Mode]

lol101 · 12-12-2007, 02:39 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

Oh...I didn't know that. I thought it was the camera not the person that takes a "Good" picture. Why is it that I often hear.."Hey that camera takes good 'pitchers'"

Ben

Ben,

Of course it's the camera that takes the picture!

I am profoundly convinced of that!

That's why any pro with a little bit of self respect needs a "pro cameras" that "gets the job done"! :ugh:

Confused · 12-12-2007, 02:40 PM

Dear Gary

If you'd read what I ACTUALLY said:

Quote:

I was genuinely shocked at the inexcusable *response this unfortunate customer received from Nikon (*which is what made me laugh, not her bad luck).

.....I was specifically NOT laughing at her misfortune and would never dream of doing so, but pointing out the appalling manner in which she was dealt with by N****n !

Best regards
Richard

kb244 · 12-12-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by celetron

D300 Autofocus ? (posts re problems): Nikon D300/D200/D100 Forum: Digital Photography Review
Is that enough? or is it still an unreliable source?

Not any more credible than if we were posting information here on this forum.

But I don't find much humor in the brand bashing, everyone has a personal preference and it's only childish to laugh in the face of alternate brand buyer because their brand of choice made a mistake in a models' production.

Jodokast96 · 12-12-2007, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by kb244

It has been fixed (even if it took em a couple months), yes?

It's definitely been addressed, but fixed is questionable. They still claim situations where it doesn't work all that well.

creampuff · 12-12-2007, 05:03 PM

Lest we gloat that Pentax is problem free compared to the other makes, if I recall correctly, the K10D sensor had banding issues early on (a friend of mine had his sent back to Japan). So the moral of the story is try not to be an early adopter. You're quite likely going to be paying a premium for a product that might not have the bugs ironed out yet.

12-12-2007, 12:33 PM	#20
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067 Original Poster	Hi RBellavance Re your observation that: Quote: simply because they bought another brand of camera ......has a certain irony to it all. Now let's see, I considered C**n's & Nn's overhyped offerings & rejected them, Sonolta's stuff doesn't quite cut the mustard and as for Olympus's 4/3rd's system, well the less said the better. Make mental note: award oneself extra brownie-points for making the right decision in the first place ! In all honesty at the price point that Nn chose to pitch their shiny-new D300, I would have naively expected flawless reliability and perhaps justifiably even more so from Cn's EOS-1D Mark III, especially taking into account the exalted echelon in which these cameras circulate. I reckon that the enormous pressure in the factories to produce sufficient quantities to satisfy pre-orders, whilst getting additional product onto retailers shelves just in time for the Christmas bonanza might have had an undesirable knock-on effect concerning lax quality control issues. I was genuinely shocked** at the inexcusable response this unfortunate customer received from Nikon (which is what made me laugh, not her bad luck) and it doesn't exactly endear confidence in the brand, if the information in the initial post is to be believed ! Quote: Nikon has said that I can ship it back (at my cost), they will REPAIR the camera AND I might receive it -fixed-in about one to two months. Needless to say, this does not make me happy. And here's another occurrence: Quote: Bah. Just got my D300 from B&H and nothing I could do got the focus to work. Naturally, B&H is out of D300's, so it is going back for a refund until they can get in some more. Nikon Service had never even heard of the problem and had no suggestions on how to fix it. Just my luck, and it was going to be an Xmas present. I still have to pinch myself when I realise what amazing value Pentax's sturdy K10D currently offers at the price it sells for, even over here in 'rip-off' Euroland. IMHO digital photographers (particularly in the USA) have simply never had it so good 'deal-wise', so if I were you I'd grab 'em while you can ! Best regards Richard Last edited by Confused; 12-12-2007 at 01:09 PM.

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12-12-2007, 09:41 AM	#16
Canada_Rockies Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sparwood, BC, Canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,385	Originally posted by lol101 "I've been waiting for two days for the KxxD to take a good picture without success!! Should I open the box or just return it?" Good line, that one!

12-12-2007, 09:50 AM	#17
celetron Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Greece Photos: Albums Posts: 301	Originally posted by kb244 Based on someone known no other than simply 'Monique'. In the other forum, no one thus far has reported any similar issues, nor have anything shows up on google search of the issue. I just think its somewhat premature (and somewhat childish) to immediately bash the brand based on one persons's account with no confirmable credibility or other accounts to back it up. The first thing some of us do when we have a problem, especially when complaining on the web is to mention that others have been having the same problem, since theres perceived credibility in numbers. So far as we can tell at this point, it may be merely an isolated incident, or even perhaps operator error. D300 Autofocus ? (posts re problems): Nikon D300/D200/D100 Forum: Digital Photography Review Is that enough? or is it still an unreliable source?

12-12-2007, 09:59 AM	#18
RBellavance Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Near Montréal, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,716	I can't help myself wondering why you'd laugh at other people's misfortune simply because they bought another brand of camera.

12-12-2007, 11:13 AM	#19
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	Originally posted by lol101 I avoid laughing too hard at other's new models launch (D300 AF probs, 1DMk3 continuous AF, A700 mushy high ISO)... I prefer to save some for when the KxxD will arrive... I just can't wait for the flurry of post going like: "My new KxxD isn't as sharp as my 99$ P&S! (especially in the background with my 50@f1.4)" "All my pictures are tack sharp: do I have simultaneous back and front focus issues??!!" "KxxD fatal flaw: it spilled coffe on me!" "ISO 6400 sux on the KxxD (underexposed by at least 2 stops pics in reply)" "I've been waiting for two days for the KxxD to take a good picture without success!! Should I open the box or just return it?" Aaaahhhh! I just can't wait for next june! Oh...I didn't know that. I thought it was the camera not the person that takes a "Good" picture. Why is it that I often hear.."Hey that camera takes good 'pitchers'" Ben

12-12-2007, 01:15 PM	#21
pentkon52 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: York Region Canada Posts: 641	Originally posted by Confused I still have to pinch myself when I realise what amazing value Pentax's sturdy K10D currently offers at the price it sells for, even over here in 'rip-off' Euroland. IMHO digital photographers (particularly in the USA) have simply never had it so good 'deal-wise', so if I were you I'd grab 'em while you can ! Best regards Richard You must not have heard the K10D jpgs are soft. Dave

12-12-2007, 01:29 PM	#22
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067 Original Poster	Hi Dave Oh not THAT old chestnut again !!!!! Dear G*d, this subject has been beaten to within an inch of it's life already. Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm not biting this time ! Get thee to a good optician....! Best regards Richard

12-12-2007, 01:49 PM	#23
WMBP Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,482	Sorry, I don't get the point here, unless it's just a break from work so we can pat ourselves on the back for having the good sense to buy Pentax rather than Nikon. Yeah, I feel good. I would not want one of those nasty Canon 5Ds or that lousy Nikon D3 thingy! Except that, to be honest, I would love to have either one, if money were no object. I'd like to get a Leica M8, too, as soon as I win the lottery. Is the focusing problem with the D300 widespread? I've read an awful lot of reviews of the camera and nobody has mentioned a focusing problem. I assume that Nikon didn't design, test and release a camera that doesn't auto-focus at all. I had a problem with a Pentax AF 540 FGZ flash. It was nearly new, only used a couple of times, and the zoom motor broke. I started a thread on it here and discovered that others have had the problem, too. Had to send it to Pentax (on my dime) and wait a month to get it back. What's the moral here? That Pentax sucks? I don't think so. Apparently there is a design weakness in the 540, but fortunately it doesn't affect the majority of users. C'est la vie.I wasn't ticked that it broke as much as I was that it took a month to get it repaired. Mass-produced products will have quality control problems, until the end of time. If you assign a team of people to test and test thoroughly every single item that comes off the assembly line, well, then it's no longer mass produced and even a K10D will cost $5000. Will

12-12-2007, 02:17 PM	#24
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067 Original Poster	Hi Will I'd also love a full-frame DSLR, but only on three conditions: a) It doesn't weigh an absolute ton, like the present 5D/1Ds Mk II or D3 does b) It's no bigger/bulkier and handles as ergonomically brilliantly as my present K10D c) It's affordable for mere mortals ! Otherwise, I'm really not interested ! As for your other point: Quote: We can pat ourselves on the back for having the good sense to buy Pentax rather than Nikon. Allelujah, I'm with you on THAT one all the way......Yesiree !! Best regards Richard

12-12-2007, 02:26 PM	#25
GaryML Inactive Account Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 441	Originally posted by Confused ... Now let's see, I considered C**n's & N**n's overhyped offerings & rejected them, Sonolta's stuff doesn't quite cut the mustard and as for Olympus's 4/3rd's system, well the less said the better. Make mental note: award oneself extra brownie-points for making the right decision in the first place ! [Flame Mode] I'm glad you take such pleasure in the mis-fortune of others. So you think its funny that someone bought an $1800 camera that was defective and needs repair? Yea, that's really funny. I'll bet your idea of a good time is to go down to the local auto repair shop and laugh at all those poor saps who have to take their car in for repair. That's a real knee-slapper! Recently I bought a new iPod for my wife as a present and it was DOA out of the box. I took it back to the store and exchanged it. And everyone at the return counter was just laughing at me for being such a stupid idiot. I should have known better than to have bought an inferior defective product. It's just wonderful that no-one has ever bought a defective Pentax product and had to return it or send it in for repair. And I am quite impressed that you've never bought a defective product. Please award yourself some extra brownie points!!! It's inexcusable (and even laugh-able!) that the rest of us are just so stupid for having selected defective junk. I'll keep that in mind when shooting photographs at the upcoming soccer tournament that my son will playing in next week. I get shot after shot in perfect focus with my Nikon gear -- shots that would be difficult or impossible to get with current Pentax gear. I guess I don't get any brownie points but I do get predictive continuous AF and a choice of good long lenses with Silent Wave Motors. Personally I prefer good photographs over brownie points anyway. Well, you got one thing right: your choice of a screen name. [/Flame Mode]

12-12-2007, 02:39 PM	#26
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by benjikan Oh...I didn't know that. I thought it was the camera not the person that takes a "Good" picture. Why is it that I often hear.."Hey that camera takes good 'pitchers'" Ben Ben, Of course it's the camera that takes the picture! I am profoundly convinced of that! That's why any pro with a little bit of self respect needs a "pro cameras" that "gets the job done"! :ugh:

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12-12-2007, 02:40 PM	#27
Confused Inactive Account Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: London Posts: 1,067 Original Poster	Dear Gary If you'd read what I ACTUALLY said: Quote: I was genuinely shocked at the inexcusable *response this unfortunate customer received from Nikon (*which is what made me laugh, not her bad luck). .....I was specifically NOT laughing at her misfortune and would never dream of doing so, but pointing out the appalling manner in which she was dealt with by N****n ! Best regards Richard

12-12-2007, 02:42 PM	#28
kb244 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 372	Originally posted by celetron D300 Autofocus ? (posts re problems): Nikon D300/D200/D100 Forum: Digital Photography Review Is that enough? or is it still an unreliable source? Not any more credible than if we were posting information here on this forum. But I don't find much humor in the brand bashing, everyone has a personal preference and it's only childish to laugh in the face of alternate brand buyer because their brand of choice made a mistake in a models' production.

12-12-2007, 02:43 PM	#29
Jodokast96 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Erial, NJ USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,134	Originally posted by kb244 It has been fixed (even if it took em a couple months), yes? It's definitely been addressed, but fixed is questionable. They still claim situations where it doesn't work all that well.

12-12-2007, 05:03 PM	#30
creampuff Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,953	Lest we gloat that Pentax is problem free compared to the other makes, if I recall correctly, the K10D sensor had banding issues early on (a friend of mine had his sent back to Japan). So the moral of the story is try not to be an early adopter. You're quite likely going to be paying a premium for a product that might not have the bugs ironed out yet.