Originally posted by switters This isn't a Pentax or K10D bashing thread - quite the contrary.
Where have you seen any K10D bashing thread(s) anywhere? :-) I can only see K10D praising threads everywhere around on the net, in contrast.
Quote: I've always been amazed at what an incredible value the K10D represents, and perhaps that is why it's so frequently compared with cameras that are three to four times more expensive.
It is not about the price when people makes the comparison. They only compare a "top" DSLR, i.e, the K10D in the Pentax line, to another near the top camera, i.e., the 5D.
As a Pentax user, what we can choose for the "best" and the highest grade body in the lineup is undoubtedly the K10D.
Quote: Nevertheless, for some time I've had three major complaints that have significantly limited my satisfaction with this camera: slow AF speed in low light, limited high ISO capability, and a 1/180 sync speed. I'm well aware that these may not be issues for many others, but since I shoot a lot of portraits both indoors (in low light) and outdoors (in bright light, where 1/250 would be very welcome) they are very significant for me.
Me 2 for all the concerns you've made, also.
Quote: So, after a lot of wondering I decided to rent a 5D to get a sense of what the competition has to offer. As has been pointed out many times, it's not fair to compare the K10D with a 5D that is four times more expensive - but that's what I'm going to do. Why? Simply because that IS exactly what I'm doing in my decision making process... trying to decide whether a 5D is worth the extra expense to get the features I want.
Well, that's what I did. I borrowed a 5D to try, though. Everytime, I used the K10D and then a 5D and then a K10D and then a 5D, I thought with no doubt that the 5D must be a better or just much better camera.
Quote: Enough with the background. Here are my brief (unscientific) observations.
* camera feels very solid and well-built
Yes.
Quote: * AF is MUCH faster; frankly, I'm blown away at how much faster it focuses in low light than the K10D (note that I have mostly FA Limiteds, which are known to be slower than other lenses; I do have a Sigma 18-50 which is somewhat closer to what the 5D offers, but still significantly slower
Yes x 2. The FA Limited are particularly slow to focus, though, owing to the large span in the AF travelling distance of the lenses.
Quote: * high ISO performance is unparalleled (except for the D3 & 1D); low noise without sacrificing detail
Yes. In fact, the high ISO performance of the 5D surpasses the K100D, which is already superior to the K10.
Quote: * a 50mm lens on a full-frame camera has a significantly different FOV than a 50mm equivalent (i.e. 35mm) on a 1.5x APS-C; it's been a long time since I used a film camera, so I had forgotten this; I prefer the full-frame FOV
Yes x 3! There is always a good single reason for why Full Frame!
Quote: What it comes down to is that if it weren't for my FA Limiteds I'd sell the Pentax gear and pick up a 5D in a heartbeat. They can be found for about
Yes x 4 !! What I always have been dreaming everyday is that Pentax can have a Full Frame DSLR which meet the performance, accuracy and image quality of the 5D, so that I can use my excellent older Pentax glass on it. But the reality is that there is none and will not have one in the foreseeable near future! :-((
Quote: $1900 new and $1700 barely used right now, so it's not completely out of my range. But the Limited primes are the reason I chose Pentax in the first place, and I don't know if I'm ready to give them up.
I feel for you. Same here. But surprisingly, there are cheapo Canon glass like the toy lens 50mm/1.8 MkII that really performs and close to Limited glass optical quality in the Canon land.
Quote: I think I'll wait until late January to see what Pentax has up its sleeve before I make a decision. Also, there's a chance that a 5DmkII (or 7D, some say) might be released at PMA, and some on the Canon forums believe they could sell for as low as $2200 (low for a FF DSLR, that is).
The K20D and K200D which are to come isn't FF DSLRs, are very probably just 1.5X ones.
As for the 5D replacement, it will come somedays later but no one knows when it will be. If you need the 5D now, why not buy one as it is damn cheap right now. In fact, it is the cheapest FF DSLR on this planet.