Poll: What do we want from Pentax? Full frame? K Mount? Autofocus? etc.

RonHendriks1966 · 01-02-2012, 01:28 PM

Put in my votes and only used the triple vote for AF/tracking improvement and spread te rest for FF/APS-H/K-mount/OVF/improved flash and 400mm (this is not a camera future).

Good work.

P.S. Not on the list but 3-5 year warrenty would also be great to get.

Tom S. · 01-02-2012, 03:03 PM

I was unable to find the choice for a quality 2x teleconverter.

**Aristophanes** · 01-02-2012, 03:04 PM

The binary choices ring hollow.

It's not an either or.

Pentax could continue APS-C DSLR K-mount and MILC new mount simulataneously.

In fact, that is most likely. That is what they MUST do to retain the current user base and tap the emerging mirrorless market in larger sensor cameras.

Winder · 01-02-2012, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Clinton

Many believe that Pentax cannot simultaneously support the Q mount, the K mount, the 645 D mount, and another mount. Many will believe that would signal the end of the K mount. Certainly, many will not be interested in buying the same lens twice for two different systems. I say, if you want support for something else and the K mount, vote for both.

Why would people believe this? The A-mount is not going away anytime soon because of the E-mount. Sony has been very surprised by demand for the NEX system it appears they will change their product line up next year to increase support (meet demand) for this line.

The K-mount has support from Sigma (Sigma makes more K-mount lenses than Pentax does). It is not possible for Pentax to be a viable company if it discontinues the K-mount anytime in the near future. I personally think the Q will be a short lived product, so I don't see support for the Q-mount as an issue. Even if it stick around it will only have a couple of lens options and not be a drain on Pentax R&D.

EVIL is going to be a very big percentage of the market. It is already taking a big percentage of the market in Japan and other Asian countries. EVIL can meet the needs of 80% of the market in a smaller, less expensive package. There will always be certain fields of photography where the OVF is a must have, but those will be higher end professional products.

I don't think Pentax can afford to NOT enter into the large sensor (4/3 and up) mirror-less market. There is too much market share ($$$$) on the table for a Pentax to ignore.

RonHendriks1966 · 01-02-2012, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Winder

Why would people believe this? The A-mount is not going away anytime soon because of the E-mount. Sony has been very surprised by demand for the NEX system it appears they will change their product line up next year to increase support (meet demand) for this line.

Well I think in 3 years time there will be nomore A-mount camera, because market shifted and Sony doesn't get a number one (or two) position in that maret. Professional DSLR, where all other systems shift to MILC and only professionals are walking around with DSLR.

Ubuntu_user · 01-02-2012, 03:26 PM

Neat poll, Clinton!

To me, the release of a FF and continuation of the K-mount are absolutely paramount. The K-mount is what makes the FF so appealing, and the introduction of a FF is what keeps the K-mount holding it's own.

pz1fan · 01-02-2012, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

"You have 12 votes." But the poll says 9 votes only. Do I get it wrong? Also, I somehow missed the AF part before submitting...

Also looked over AF.

**maxfield_photo** · 01-02-2012, 08:21 PM

Originally posted by Clinton

Many believe that Pentax cannot simultaneously support the Q mount, the K mount, the 645 D mount, and another mount.

Boy, you said it. The writing is on the wall; the Q mount's got to go!

**Clinton** · 01-02-2012, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by Aristophanes

The binary choices ring hollow.

It's not an either or.

Pentax could continue APS-C DSLR K-mount and MILC new mount simulataneously.

I suspect that it is, but I did ask the mods to change my text on the poll, as I didn't intend it to be nearly so polarized.

Originally posted by Aristophanes

In fact, that is most likely. That is what they MUST do to retain the current user base and tap the emerging mirrorless market in larger sensor cameras.

Why? The only conclusive thing I've heard is you save a few mm of space by doing away with the K mount. As far as I can tell, there is much more space to be saved elsewhere.

**Clinton** · 01-02-2012, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Raffwal

"You have 12 votes." But the poll says 9 votes only. Do I get it wrong? Also, I somehow missed the AF part before submitting...

Changed the text to 9. I really meant 9. :P

Class A · 01-02-2012, 09:02 PM

I cannot help myself but regard "Uncrippled K mount" as a pipe dream.

Any camera offering this would imply a surcharge equivalent to the projected new lens purchases lost. Only a very small number would buy a (non-MF) camera at such a price point.

Laurentiu Cristofor · 01-02-2012, 09:38 PM

3 votes for discontinuing K mount. It's time to move on. I'd like to see what they can do without the burden of backward compatibility.

johnmflores · 01-02-2012, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

3 votes for discontinuing K mount. It's time to move on. I'd like to see what they can do without the burden of backward compatibility.

Brave man! How, if I may ask, do you think the K-mount is holding them back? Registration distance? Contacts?

**maxfield_photo** · 01-02-2012, 10:15 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor

3 votes for discontinuing K mount. It's time to move on. I'd like to see what they can do without the burden of backward compatibility.

They have that, it's called "Sony". I don't quite grasp how anyone would stick with a company as quirky as Pentax for any reason other than the awesome compatibility, no disrespect intended.

**Clinton** · 01-02-2012, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by maxfield_photo

Boy, you said it. The writing is on the wall; the Q mount's got to go!

At least it's in a different market space. Nothing like inventing a new product line to directly compete with your other product line. Didn't GM try that with like 12 car companies?

View Poll Results: What do we want from Pentax?
Full Frame	140	58.58%
Full Frame	80	33.47%
Full Frame	58	24.27%
APS-H	17	7.11%
APS-H	3	1.26%
APS-H	1	0.42%
APS-C Only, no FF or APS-H	23	9.62%
APS-C Only, no FF or APS-H	12	5.02%
APS-C Only, no FF or APS-H	9	3.77%
Continuation of the K mount	186	77.82%
Continuation of the K mount	111	46.44%
Continuation of the K mount	73	30.54%
Discontiunation of the K mount for a shorter registration distance	10	4.18%
Discontiunation of the K mount for a shorter registration distance	5	2.09%
Discontiunation of the K mount for a shorter registration distance	2	0.84%
Electrical viewfinder and removal of the mirror	28	11.72%
Electrical viewfinder and removal of the mirror	7	2.93%
Electrical viewfinder and removal of the mirror	3	1.26%
Optical viewfinder, continued mirror	102	42.68%
Optical viewfinder, continued mirror	34	14.23%
Optical viewfinder, continued mirror	21	8.79%
Faster / Predictive Autofocus	154	64.44%
Faster / Predictive Autofocus	75	31.38%
Faster / Predictive Autofocus	38	15.90%
Smaller camera bodies and lenses	30	12.55%
Smaller camera bodies and lenses	4	1.67%
Smaller camera bodies and lenses	3	1.26%
Super telephoto options, 400mm and above	64	26.78%
Super telephoto options, 400mm and above	24	10.04%
Super telephoto options, 400mm and above	15	6.28%
Less expensive gear	47	19.67%
Less expensive gear	11	4.60%
Less expensive gear	10	4.18%
Leaf shutter	6	2.51%
Leaf shutter	0	0%
Leaf shutter	1	0.42%
Electronic shutter	13	5.44%
Electronic shutter	2	0.84%
Electronic shutter	2	0.84%
Improved video support and controls	53	22.18%
Improved video support and controls	13	5.44%
Improved video support and controls	8	3.35%
Improved flash sync speed	69	28.87%
Improved flash sync speed	12	5.02%
Improved flash sync speed	5	2.09%
Improved wireless flash support	38	15.90%
Improved wireless flash support	11	4.60%
Improved wireless flash support	6	2.51%
Uncrippled K mount for M and K series lenses	89	37.24%
Uncrippled K mount for M and K series lenses	27	11.30%
Uncrippled K mount for M and K series lenses	14	5.86%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 239. You may not vote on this poll

01-02-2012, 08:31 PM	#24
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,910 Original Poster	Originally posted by Aristophanes The binary choices ring hollow. It's not an either or. Pentax could continue APS-C DSLR K-mount and MILC new mount simulataneously. I suspect that it is, but I did ask the mods to change my text on the poll, as I didn't intend it to be nearly so polarized. Originally posted by Aristophanes In fact, that is most likely. That is what they MUST do to retain the current user base and tap the emerging mirrorless market in larger sensor cameras. Why? The only conclusive thing I've heard is you save a few mm of space by doing away with the K mount. As far as I can tell, there is much more space to be saved elsewhere. Last edited by Clinton; 01-02-2012 at 08:43 PM.

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01-02-2012, 01:28 PM	#16
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Put in my votes and only used the triple vote for AF/tracking improvement and spread te rest for FF/APS-H/K-mount/OVF/improved flash and 400mm (this is not a camera future). Good work. P.S. Not on the list but 3-5 year warrenty would also be great to get.

01-02-2012, 03:03 PM	#17
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	I was unable to find the choice for a quality 2x teleconverter.

01-02-2012, 03:04 PM	#18
Aristophanes Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rankin Inlet, Nunavut Photos: Albums Posts: 3,948	The binary choices ring hollow. It's not an either or. Pentax could continue APS-C DSLR K-mount and MILC new mount simulataneously. In fact, that is most likely. That is what they MUST do to retain the current user base and tap the emerging mirrorless market in larger sensor cameras.

01-02-2012, 03:06 PM	#19
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Clinton Many believe that Pentax cannot simultaneously support the Q mount, the K mount, the 645 D mount, and another mount. Many will believe that would signal the end of the K mount. Certainly, many will not be interested in buying the same lens twice for two different systems. I say, if you want support for something else and the K mount, vote for both. Why would people believe this? The A-mount is not going away anytime soon because of the E-mount. Sony has been very surprised by demand for the NEX system it appears they will change their product line up next year to increase support (meet demand) for this line. The K-mount has support from Sigma (Sigma makes more K-mount lenses than Pentax does). It is not possible for Pentax to be a viable company if it discontinues the K-mount anytime in the near future. I personally think the Q will be a short lived product, so I don't see support for the Q-mount as an issue. Even if it stick around it will only have a couple of lens options and not be a drain on Pentax R&D. EVIL is going to be a very big percentage of the market. It is already taking a big percentage of the market in Japan and other Asian countries. EVIL can meet the needs of 80% of the market in a smaller, less expensive package. There will always be certain fields of photography where the OVF is a must have, but those will be higher end professional products. I don't think Pentax can afford to NOT enter into the large sensor (4/3 and up) mirror-less market. There is too much market share ($$$$) on the table for a Pentax to ignore.

01-02-2012, 03:22 PM	#20
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Winder Why would people believe this? The A-mount is not going away anytime soon because of the E-mount. Sony has been very surprised by demand for the NEX system it appears they will change their product line up next year to increase support (meet demand) for this line. Well I think in 3 years time there will be nomore A-mount camera, because market shifted and Sony doesn't get a number one (or two) position in that maret. Professional DSLR, where all other systems shift to MILC and only professionals are walking around with DSLR.

01-02-2012, 03:26 PM	#21
Ubuntu_user Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,545	Neat poll, Clinton! To me, the release of a FF and continuation of the K-mount are absolutely paramount. The K-mount is what makes the FF so appealing, and the introduction of a FF is what keeps the K-mount holding it's own.

01-02-2012, 06:09 PM	#22
pz1fan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: United States Posts: 183	Originally posted by Raffwal "You have 12 votes." But the poll says 9 votes only. Do I get it wrong? Also, I somehow missed the AF part before submitting... Also looked over AF.

01-02-2012, 08:21 PM	#23
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Originally posted by Clinton Many believe that Pentax cannot simultaneously support the Q mount, the K mount, the 645 D mount, and another mount. Boy, you said it. The writing is on the wall; the Q mount's got to go!

01-02-2012, 08:45 PM	#25
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,910 Original Poster	Originally posted by Raffwal "You have 12 votes." But the poll says 9 votes only. Do I get it wrong? Also, I somehow missed the AF part before submitting... Changed the text to 9. I really meant 9. :P

01-02-2012, 09:02 PM	#26
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	I cannot help myself but regard "Uncrippled K mount" as a pipe dream. Any camera offering this would imply a surcharge equivalent to the projected new lens purchases lost. Only a very small number would buy a (non-MF) camera at such a price point.

01-02-2012, 09:38 PM	#27
Laurentiu Cristofor Banned Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: WA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,055	3 votes for discontinuing K mount. It's time to move on. I'd like to see what they can do without the burden of backward compatibility.

01-02-2012, 10:13 PM	#28
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor 3 votes for discontinuing K mount. It's time to move on. I'd like to see what they can do without the burden of backward compatibility. Brave man! How, if I may ask, do you think the K-mount is holding them back? Registration distance? Contacts?

01-02-2012, 10:15 PM - 2 Likes	#29
maxfield_photo Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 1,216	Originally posted by Laurentiu Cristofor 3 votes for discontinuing K mount. It's time to move on. I'd like to see what they can do without the burden of backward compatibility. They have that, it's called "Sony". I don't quite grasp how anyone would stick with a company as quirky as Pentax for any reason other than the awesome compatibility, no disrespect intended.

01-02-2012, 10:18 PM	#30
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,910 Original Poster	Originally posted by maxfield_photo Boy, you said it. The writing is on the wall; the Q mount's got to go! At least it's in a different market space. Nothing like inventing a new product line to directly compete with your other product line. Didn't GM try that with like 12 car companies?