Pentax...less than 3% of the dslr market?

JinDesu · 03-22-2012, 07:56 AM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Uh, by next year I meant this year. Yeah. But of course that mirror lockup requirement would indicate sony might have an advantage.

It hits 14FPS with mirror lockup, but it'll do 12FPS with AF and mirror down. The A77 is hitting 12FPS as well, but at 24MP compared to the 16MP of the 1DX and the D4.

Frogfish · 03-22-2012, 07:59 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

I often think of Pentax as the Subaru of cameras (of course I drive an Outback). here's aTime Magazine article from early 2009 describing how Subaru, with less than a 2% market share globally, had just turned a profit - the only auto maker so to do in 2008.

Subaru: A Rare Bright Spot in Automakers' Gloom.

Perhaps we shouldn't be so critical of Pentax.

Not quite the only car manufacturer to make a profit. I bet there were quite a few Chinese manufacturers that made a profit in 2008 and in fact virtually every global marque also made a profit .. here, where sales actually went up over nearly 100% in one year alone !

Adam · 03-22-2012, 08:53 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if their US market share were the worst of all countries in which they have a presence. Not sure if it's the lack of marketing or just the dominance of canikon.

JinDesu · 03-22-2012, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Adam

I wouldn't be surprised if their US market share were the worst of all countries in which they have a presence. Not sure if it's the lack of marketing or just the dominance of canikon.

I blame Ashton Kutcher mostly.

But also the marketing. I used to see quite a lot of ads for Canon and Nikon (even if it's just P&S) in US magazines, US websites (now they say Pentax, thank you google analytics), sometimes on TV, etc.

**monochrome** · 03-22-2012, 09:23 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

Not quite the only car manufacturer to make a profit. I bet there were quite a few Chinese manufacturers that made a profit in 2008 and in fact virtually every global marque also made a profit .. here, where sales actually went up over nearly 100% in one year alone !

How Amero-centric of me. I fixed it.

Frogfish · 03-22-2012, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

How Amero-centric of me. I fixed it.

Ha ha - I wasn't criticising, just commenting on something that almost certainly won't be common knowledge to most.

**monochrome** · 03-22-2012, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Frogfish

Ha ha - I wasn't criticising, just commenting on something that almost certainly won't be common knowledge to most.

And I forgot the smiley

alohadave · 03-22-2012, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by rawr

If you turn the analogy to cars, what's the big deal about having less than (say) 10% market share?

BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Subaru, even Honda probably have less than 10% of the new car market each in Australia. But they make a living, they make great products, there are lots of after-market accessories for them all, and they provide long-term after sales support.

And if a few workshops don't provide service for my model of car, I go to another.

Yeah, but there are about 100 different car marques. There are 7-8 big camera brands.

And everyone has a car. Relatively few people own a dSLR.

alohadave · 03-22-2012, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by beholder3

I don't use Lifepixel. Their market share is 0,0000001%. Far too low for a serious supplier.

Their market share for IR conversions is something like 30%. There aren't that many companies doing it.

ElJamoquio · 03-22-2012, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by alohadave

Their market share for IR conversions is something like 30%. There aren't that many companies doing it.

What's pentax's market share for weather-resistant two-dial SLR's with TAv mode and in-camera shake reduction?

Philoslothical · 03-22-2012, 11:02 PM

Originally posted by alohadave

Their market share for IR conversions is something like 30%. There aren't that many companies doing it.

Well then, you'd think they could support *one* of our models, then, no? Just one? If they were serious? Even say, a K20D? Or how about a K-x?

No? Well, to hell with them then. They're clearly right, there's no demand, not even mine and the other forum members here who have asked (a.k.a. demanded). Personally, I've been ready to buy and send a second body for awhile now, because it *sounds like* they could do a better job converting it than me. That said, if they won't take me seriously, why should I take them seriously? They can suck on the Canikon teat as long as they want, but they won't earn any kind words from me for it.

alohadave · 03-22-2012, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Philoslothical

Well then, you'd think they could support *one* of our models, then, no? Just one? If they were serious? Even say, a K20D? Or how about a K-x?

No? Well, to hell with them then. They're clearly right, there's no demand, not even mine and the other forum members here who have asked (a.k.a. demanded). Personally, I've been ready to buy and send a second body for awhile now, because it *sounds like* they could do a better job converting it than me. That said, if they won't take me seriously, why should I take them seriously? They can suck on the Canikon teat as long as they want, but they won't earn any kind words from me for it.

I sense a business opportunity. But think about what it requires to do a conversion. You need gear to practice on, and enough customers to justify taking time away from your big 2-3 brands that give you far more business. It's likely really not worth it for them to even touch Pentax.

rawr · 03-23-2012, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by alohadave

It's likely really not worth it for them to even touch Pentax.

But then some IR conversion shops like MaxMax do Olympus and even Fuji DSLR's.

So it is possible, I think, that at least some conversion places could be persuaded that doing Pentax wouldn't be so hard.

Alizarine · 03-23-2012, 03:20 AM

Originally posted by kenyee

There was an interesting stat about the Nikon D800 preorders at B&H...there were 45K orders. That's what Pentax sells in DSLRs all year IIRC

As much as this could be true, those 45,000 orders are just paying part of the amount Nikon spends on advertising and marketing (I think).

Like Canon here in my country, which has so many celebrity endorsers - I wonder how many orders does it take to pay off the amount they shelled out for that endorser, his appearances, his management, etc. I just hope that with Pentax's not-so-aggressive efforts in marketing and advertising, they still get to have bigger profits so as to have more funds to make better cameras.

rawr · 03-23-2012, 03:33 AM

Originally posted by Alizarine

there were 45K orders.

LOL. I heard 10,000, others simply claimed over 9000.

Lots of BS numbers floating around in other words.

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03-22-2012, 07:56 AM	#31
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Uh, by next year I meant this year. Yeah. But of course that mirror lockup requirement would indicate sony might have an advantage. It hits 14FPS with mirror lockup, but it'll do 12FPS with AF and mirror down. The A77 is hitting 12FPS as well, but at 24MP compared to the 16MP of the 1DX and the D4.

03-22-2012, 07:59 AM	#32
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by monochrome I often think of Pentax as the Subaru of cameras (of course I drive an Outback). here's aTime Magazine article from early 2009 describing how Subaru, with less than a 2% market share globally, had just turned a profit - the only auto maker so to do in 2008. Subaru: A Rare Bright Spot in Automakers' Gloom. Perhaps we shouldn't be so critical of Pentax. Not quite the only car manufacturer to make a profit. I bet there were quite a few Chinese manufacturers that made a profit in 2008 and in fact virtually every global marque also made a profit .. here, where sales actually went up over nearly 100% in one year alone !

03-22-2012, 08:53 AM	#33
Adam Administrator Site Webmaster Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Arizona Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 51,595	I wouldn't be surprised if their US market share were the worst of all countries in which they have a presence. Not sure if it's the lack of marketing or just the dominance of canikon.

03-22-2012, 08:56 AM	#34
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	Originally posted by Adam I wouldn't be surprised if their US market share were the worst of all countries in which they have a presence. Not sure if it's the lack of marketing or just the dominance of canikon. I blame Ashton Kutcher mostly. But also the marketing. I used to see quite a lot of ads for Canon and Nikon (even if it's just P&S) in US magazines, US websites (now they say Pentax, thank you google analytics), sometimes on TV, etc.

03-22-2012, 09:23 AM	#35
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Frogfish Not quite the only car manufacturer to make a profit. I bet there were quite a few Chinese manufacturers that made a profit in 2008 and in fact virtually every global marque also made a profit .. here, where sales actually went up over nearly 100% in one year alone ! How Amero-centric of me. I fixed it.

03-22-2012, 09:32 AM	#36
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by monochrome How Amero-centric of me. I fixed it. Ha ha - I wasn't criticising, just commenting on something that almost certainly won't be common knowledge to most.

03-22-2012, 09:47 AM	#37
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Frogfish Ha ha - I wasn't criticising, just commenting on something that almost certainly won't be common knowledge to most. And I forgot the smiley

03-22-2012, 07:52 PM	#38
alohadave Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Quincy, MA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,024	Originally posted by rawr If you turn the analogy to cars, what's the big deal about having less than (say) 10% market share? BMW, Audi, Mercedes, Subaru, even Honda probably have less than 10% of the new car market each in Australia. But they make a living, they make great products, there are lots of after-market accessories for them all, and they provide long-term after sales support. And if a few workshops don't provide service for my model of car, I go to another. Yeah, but there are about 100 different car marques. There are 7-8 big camera brands. And everyone has a car. Relatively few people own a dSLR.

03-22-2012, 07:59 PM	#39
alohadave Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Quincy, MA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,024	Originally posted by beholder3 I don't use Lifepixel. Their market share is 0,0000001%. Far too low for a serious supplier. Their market share for IR conversions is something like 30%. There aren't that many companies doing it.

03-22-2012, 08:37 PM	#40
ElJamoquio Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 4,873	Originally posted by alohadave Their market share for IR conversions is something like 30%. There aren't that many companies doing it. What's pentax's market share for weather-resistant two-dial SLR's with TAv mode and in-camera shake reduction?

03-22-2012, 11:02 PM	#41
Philoslothical Veteran Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,889	Originally posted by alohadave Their market share for IR conversions is something like 30%. There aren't that many companies doing it. Well then, you'd think they could support one of our models, then, no? Just one? If they were serious? Even say, a K20D? Or how about a K-x? No? Well, to hell with them then. They're clearly right, there's no demand, not even mine and the other forum members here who have asked (a.k.a. demanded). Personally, I've been ready to buy and send a second body for awhile now, because it sounds like they could do a better job converting it than me. That said, if they won't take me seriously, why should I take them seriously? They can suck on the Canikon teat as long as they want, but they won't earn any kind words from me for it.

03-22-2012, 11:37 PM	#42
alohadave Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Quincy, MA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,024	Originally posted by Philoslothical Well then, you'd think they could support one of our models, then, no? Just one? If they were serious? Even say, a K20D? Or how about a K-x? No? Well, to hell with them then. They're clearly right, there's no demand, not even mine and the other forum members here who have asked (a.k.a. demanded). Personally, I've been ready to buy and send a second body for awhile now, because it sounds like they could do a better job converting it than me. That said, if they won't take me seriously, why should I take them seriously? They can suck on the Canikon teat as long as they want, but they won't earn any kind words from me for it. I sense a business opportunity. But think about what it requires to do a conversion. You need gear to practice on, and enough customers to justify taking time away from your big 2-3 brands that give you far more business. It's likely really not worth it for them to even touch Pentax.

03-23-2012, 03:01 AM	#43
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by alohadave It's likely really not worth it for them to even touch Pentax. But then some IR conversion shops like MaxMax do Olympus and even Fuji DSLR's. So it is possible, I think, that at least some conversion places could be persuaded that doing Pentax wouldn't be so hard.

03-23-2012, 03:20 AM	#44
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	Originally posted by kenyee There was an interesting stat about the Nikon D800 preorders at B&H...there were 45K orders. That's what Pentax sells in DSLRs all year IIRC As much as this could be true, those 45,000 orders are just paying part of the amount Nikon spends on advertising and marketing (I think). Like Canon here in my country, which has so many celebrity endorsers - I wonder how many orders does it take to pay off the amount they shelled out for that endorser, his appearances, his management, etc. I just hope that with Pentax's not-so-aggressive efforts in marketing and advertising, they still get to have bigger profits so as to have more funds to make better cameras.

03-23-2012, 03:33 AM	#45
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Alizarine there were 45K orders. LOL. I heard 10,000, others simply claimed over 9000. Lots of BS numbers floating around in other words.