ist D DL DS

Jesus · 01-11-2008, 10:00 AM

If you were buying one of the ist models , what would be your choice ?
I have the opportunity to buy any one of these , this is why I am asking y'alls opinion

I lean towards the DL .

Thank you for your help

**Lowell Goudge** · 01-11-2008, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Jesus

If you were buying one of the ist models , what would be your choice ?
I have the opportunity to buy any one of these , this is why I am asking y'alls opinion

I lean towards the DL .

Thank you for your help

I like the *istD, because from a controls point it is the same as the K10D, and it is the best camera in terms of using TTL flash, and K mount lenses and metering.

Yes it is a little slower than the rest, uses CF cards, not SD cards, has a very small screne, but if you are looking at a second body to go with your K10D, the *isdD is it.

The DL does not have TTL flash AT ALL, the D and DS do, and if you do flash photography at all, and want to use K mount (non KA) lenses, you can't except for "auto" which uses a sensor on the flash.

Jesus · 01-11-2008, 10:13 AM

Thank you for your response ,
However , I do not do any flash work .
So , I don't care about the flash.

J

**Lowell Goudge** · 01-11-2008, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Jesus

Thank you for your response ,
However , I do not do any flash work .
So , I don't care about the flash.

J

YET

Good Luck.

axl · 01-11-2008, 10:54 AM

I know it's not the right reason but: I like DL's double colour version. The one with silver top plate and lens mount... I wish K100D was coming like that.

Anyway. Out of those three, depends on what you already have (or don't have). If you own K10D go for istD. Similar layout and so on. If you have K100/110D I'd go with DS as a second body. It sports the same AF and you get advantage of having body with TTL flash system. If you don't care about anything above, and you don't mind only 3 (5 in DL2) AF points, go for DL in silver/black version. It's the nicest

**Lowell Goudge** · 01-11-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by axl

I know it's not the right reason but: I like DL's double colour version. The one with silver top plate and lens mount... I wish K100D was coming like that.

Anyway. Out of those three, depends on what you already have (or don't have). If you own K10D go for istD. Similar layout and so on. If you have K100/110D I'd go with DS as a second body. It sports the same AF and you get advantage of having body with TTL flash system. If you don't care about anything above, and you don't mind only 3 (5 in DL2) AF points, go for DL in silver/black version. It's the nicest

Given the points you bring out, I would agree with this. As I said, the biggest issue is the TTL flash, and older lenses.

My approach is to always have a second body that does something different than the first.

This goes all the way back to my film days.

My first camera was a Ricoh XR2s. It was a good camera, but my second was a KX.
Why?
1) because it had a mechanically timed shutter, and only needed batteries for the internal metering
2) because the one I bought had a simple ground glass viewing screne, which did not go dark with long (or slow) lenses, like a split image did.

The two bodies worked in tandum, with fast film in the KX (low light and long lenses) and slow film in the XR2s.

A second body should always give you something different, so you can expand your horizons

jbrowning · 01-11-2008, 11:06 AM

Hi Jesus, my first DSLR camera was the ist dl and I loved and still love it. I have moved to the
k100d but my son is using the dl and he likes it as well.

Jim

Last edited by jbrowning; 01-11-2008 at 11:35 AM.

rutster · 01-11-2008, 11:44 AM

I actually just got a DL about 8 months ago and i love it. Also just got a Samsung Gx-1s for a back up. (yes, a newer version for a backup) The DL does everything i need it to do and more.

but if you want to compare them side by side, only you can decide what it a pro or con.
I like the larger screen, the 3 point focus doesn't bother me & the SD card it fine.

from what i can see that is the major differences with them.
Digital Cameras Side-by-Side, 3 cameras: Digital Photography Review

one thing you didn't mention that could sway your decision is price. are all of these the same price? and is that what you're willing to pay for the camera.

Finn · 01-11-2008, 11:47 AM

The D and DS also have a pentaprism with greater magnification, correct? I've been looking to pick up a backup body, but it NEEDS to have a pentaprism. No more pathetic pentamirrors for me!

**pixelsaurus** · 01-11-2008, 12:18 PM

I have had my *ist DS for 2 1/2 years,and have no intentions at the moment of replacing it.

Jesus · 01-11-2008, 12:42 PM

sorry to mix things up.

BTW , I have no camera at this time , was waiting for the K10D , but was uninspired by it.

After looking at the price of the K100D Super , I'm reconsidering it , too.

It's just that I have read many times that some wish they still had their ist , over the Super .

Thank you for your thoughts thus far
and more are appreciated

J

RussellW · 01-11-2008, 04:27 PM

I have owned a number of Pentax film Cameras from k1000 to MZS, about two years ago I bought the DS, I can say that this was and is my choice in that series as I could hold the body compared to the D, due to the size of grip. Last Nov my wife bought me the K10D, which I can say is superior and has assisted in producing some great shots.
Like everything in life it comes down to money, if want the K10D then go in that direction you want be disappointed, however if you want to wait for the next gen in DLSR from Pentax, then go with the DS and get hold of some good lenses, as the lenses will always last.

deejjjaaaa · 01-11-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by Jesus

If you were buying one of the ist models , what would be your choice ?
I have the opportunity to buy any one of these , this is why I am asking y'alls opinion

I lean towards the DL .

Thank you for your help

don't buy it... certainly my experience is limited only to one *istDL and one day (yesterday) of К10D (just purchased from beachcamera), but it seems that I am going to spend >10 times less efforts dealing with colors/WB with K10D vs *istDL... may be it is just my copy of DL though...

ericc · 01-11-2008, 04:59 PM

I'm very happy with my DS, to the point that I would buy another as a backup if the price were decent. I have a DL as well that my sister uses.

DS vs. D
USB 2.0 in the DS over USB 1.1 in the D which is huge when cable connecting to a PC. Not an issue if using a card reader. You lose the second dial on the front of the DS, which means you have to use the menus or fn key to access some features.

DS vs. DL
Pentaprism vs. pentamirror means brighter viewfinder. More AF points in the DS. More frames/second on DS. DL is slower to AF in my observation, but neither are speedy. You can do IR photography with the D or DS, but not the DL or any of the K-series.

Photo Tramp · 01-11-2008, 05:38 PM

I echo Eric's thoughts on this. I have the DL (one of the first to come out) I find as Eric does the DL is only 3 point AF and the view finder is some what darker then the DS. In lower light situations the DL tends to hunt longer. I found I needed a faster AF and bought the K100D. Not the super. I'm well satisfied with both and my wife has taken over the DL and is learning the fine art of photography. I keep the DL as a second body on shoots and have never been dissatisfied with either camera. They say both are starter cameras, and this is true, but it all depends on your needs and what you shoot. Most of my gallery shots are with the DL. The most recent are with the K100. Take a look and I know you will see the difference.

01-11-2008, 10:00 AM	#1
Jesus Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sedona Az Posts: 216	ist D DL DS If you were buying one of the ist models , what would be your choice ? I have the opportunity to buy any one of these , this is why I am asking y'alls opinion I lean towards the DL . Thank you for your help

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Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by Jesus If you were buying one of the ist models , what would be your choice ? I have the opportunity to buy any one of these , this is why I am asking y'alls opinion I lean towards the DL . Thank you for your help I like the istD, because from a controls point it is the same as the K10D, and it is the best camera in terms of using TTL flash, and K mount lenses and metering. Yes it is a little slower than the rest, uses CF cards, not SD cards, has a very small screne, but if you are looking at a second body to go with your K10D, the isdD is it. The DL does not have TTL flash AT ALL, the D and DS do, and if you do flash photography at all, and want to use K mount (non KA) lenses, you can't except for "auto" which uses a sensor on the flash.

01-11-2008, 10:13 AM	#3
Jesus Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sedona Az Posts: 216 Original Poster	Thank you for your response , However , I do not do any flash work . So , I don't care about the flash. J

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Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by Jesus Thank you for your response , However , I do not do any flash work . So , I don't care about the flash. J YET Good Luck.

01-11-2008, 10:54 AM	#5
axl Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Nove Zamky, Slovakia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 7,183	I know it's not the right reason but: I like DL's double colour version. The one with silver top plate and lens mount... I wish K100D was coming like that. Anyway. Out of those three, depends on what you already have (or don't have). If you own K10D go for istD. Similar layout and so on. If you have K100/110D I'd go with DS as a second body. It sports the same AF and you get advantage of having body with TTL flash system. If you don't care about anything above, and you don't mind only 3 (5 in DL2) AF points, go for DL in silver/black version. It's the nicest

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Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,888	Originally posted by axl I know it's not the right reason but: I like DL's double colour version. The one with silver top plate and lens mount... I wish K100D was coming like that. Anyway. Out of those three, depends on what you already have (or don't have). If you own K10D go for istD. Similar layout and so on. If you have K100/110D I'd go with DS as a second body. It sports the same AF and you get advantage of having body with TTL flash system. If you don't care about anything above, and you don't mind only 3 (5 in DL2) AF points, go for DL in silver/black version. It's the nicest Given the points you bring out, I would agree with this. As I said, the biggest issue is the TTL flash, and older lenses. My approach is to always have a second body that does something different than the first. This goes all the way back to my film days. My first camera was a Ricoh XR2s. It was a good camera, but my second was a KX. Why? 1) because it had a mechanically timed shutter, and only needed batteries for the internal metering 2) because the one I bought had a simple ground glass viewing screne, which did not go dark with long (or slow) lenses, like a split image did. The two bodies worked in tandum, with fast film in the KX (low light and long lenses) and slow film in the XR2s. A second body should always give you something different, so you can expand your horizons

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jbrowning Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Colorado Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 996	Hi Jesus, my first DSLR camera was the ist dl and I loved and still love it. I have moved to the k100d but my son is using the dl and he likes it as well. Jim Last edited by jbrowning; 01-11-2008 at 11:35 AM.

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rutster Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 33	I actually just got a DL about 8 months ago and i love it. Also just got a Samsung Gx-1s for a back up. (yes, a newer version for a backup) The DL does everything i need it to do and more. but if you want to compare them side by side, only you can decide what it a pro or con. I like the larger screen, the 3 point focus doesn't bother me & the SD card it fine. from what i can see that is the major differences with them. Digital Cameras Side-by-Side, 3 cameras: Digital Photography Review one thing you didn't mention that could sway your decision is price. are all of these the same price? and is that what you're willing to pay for the camera.

01-11-2008, 11:47 AM	#9
Finn Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,056	The D and DS also have a pentaprism with greater magnification, correct? I've been looking to pick up a backup body, but it NEEDS to have a pentaprism. No more pathetic pentamirrors for me!

01-11-2008, 12:18 PM	#10
pixelsaurus Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Te Kuiti, NZ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 986	I have had my *ist DS for 2 1/2 years,and have no intentions at the moment of replacing it.

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Jesus Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sedona Az Posts: 216 Original Poster	sorry to mix things up. BTW , I have no camera at this time , was waiting for the K10D , but was uninspired by it. After looking at the price of the K100D Super , I'm reconsidering it , too. It's just that I have read many times that some wish they still had their ist , over the Super . Thank you for your thoughts thus far and more are appreciated J

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RussellW Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 198	I have owned a number of Pentax film Cameras from k1000 to MZS, about two years ago I bought the DS, I can say that this was and is my choice in that series as I could hold the body compared to the D, due to the size of grip. Last Nov my wife bought me the K10D, which I can say is superior and has assisted in producing some great shots. Like everything in life it comes down to money, if want the K10D then go in that direction you want be disappointed, however if you want to wait for the next gen in DLSR from Pentax, then go with the DS and get hold of some good lenses, as the lenses will always last.

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deejjjaaaa Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: steel city / rust belt Posts: 2,043	Originally posted by Jesus If you were buying one of the ist models , what would be your choice ? I have the opportunity to buy any one of these , this is why I am asking y'alls opinion I lean towards the DL . Thank you for your help don't buy it... certainly my experience is limited only to one istDL and one day (yesterday) of К10D (just purchased from beachcamera), but it seems that I am going to spend >10 times less efforts dealing with colors/WB with K10D vs istDL... may be it is just my copy of DL though...

01-11-2008, 04:59 PM	#14
ericc Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Western Oklahoma Posts: 412	I'm very happy with my DS, to the point that I would buy another as a backup if the price were decent. I have a DL as well that my sister uses. DS vs. D USB 2.0 in the DS over USB 1.1 in the D which is huge when cable connecting to a PC. Not an issue if using a card reader. You lose the second dial on the front of the DS, which means you have to use the menus or fn key to access some features. DS vs. DL Pentaprism vs. pentamirror means brighter viewfinder. More AF points in the DS. More frames/second on DS. DL is slower to AF in my observation, but neither are speedy. You can do IR photography with the D or DS, but not the DL or any of the K-series.

01-11-2008, 05:38 PM	#15
Photo Tramp Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA. Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,041	I echo Eric's thoughts on this. I have the DL (one of the first to come out) I find as Eric does the DL is only 3 point AF and the view finder is some what darker then the DS. In lower light situations the DL tends to hunt longer. I found I needed a faster AF and bought the K100D. Not the super. I'm well satisfied with both and my wife has taken over the DL and is learning the fine art of photography. I keep the DL as a second body on shoots and have never been dissatisfied with either camera. They say both are starter cameras, and this is true, but it all depends on your needs and what you shoot. Most of my gallery shots are with the DL. The most recent are with the K100. Take a look and I know you will see the difference.