Originally posted by ElJamoquio Could you find me an example of a lens that has worse corner sharpness in FF with equivalent angle/DOF/shutterspeed?
It's quite common for lenses to suffer reduced resolution as one traverses toward the corners. This is particularly problem older FF zoom glass. "Equivalency" arguments are not relevant here. The question is whether a given FF lens has sufficient resolution in toward the edges so as not to draw attention to itself at screen resolution or in medium to large prints. Many of the old FA standard zooms suffer from noticeable border sharpness issues at the wide end of the lens. Take, as one example, the FA 28-105 f3.2-4.5. It is quite soft toward the edges at the wide end of the lens. The softness is progressive, increasing as you move away from the center of the image. Increasing megapixels does not improve the issue. It looks soft on my 6 MP *istDL, on my 10 MP K200D, and on my 16 MP K-5. Undoubtedly, it would produce higher resolution scores on the K-5. But that's irrelevant. Soft is soft, regardless of MP. Nor would a large MP FF camera improve matters. On the contrary, it would simply produce images that had a larger proportion of softness.
Originally posted by ElJamoquio General rule of thumb, in terms of IQ:
1) Best/Most Expensive: Pro lens with FF camera
2) Second Best/Third Most Expensive (depends on assumptions of course): Consumer Lens with FF Camera
3) Third Best/Second Most Expensive: Pro Lens with APS-C camera
4) Fourth Best/Cheapest: Consumer Lens with APS-C Camera
If we're just talking resolution, and talking generically, 2) is 50% better than 3). 1) is 10-20% better than 2).
This entirely misses the point. It's not an issue merely of measured resolution, but how the image looks to the eye. A lens with noticeably soft edges looks soft regardless of how many megapixels you throw at it. And many consumer grade lenses are noticeably soft at the wide end, even on APS-C.
And although I mentioned only the issue of corner to corner sharpness in my previous comment, that doesn't mean that there aren't other issues that are just as important to my style of photography. I merely desire a sufficient level of resolution in an image; I don't demand that everything be ultra-sharp. On the contrary, I just don't want images to
look soft, in the corners or anywhere else. The DA 10-17 is not a super sharp lens; but it has sufficient resolution. Once a lens has sufficient resolution, other factors come into play, such as color rendition, microcontrast, and the overall quality of the rendering. The DA 10-17 has superb color rendition and microcontrast and produces images that look better than many lenses with superior resolution. I've sold more images from the DA 10-17 than all my other glass combined (and my other glass is sharper).
Consumer lenses generally don't have as good IQ as more expensive glass, irrespective of resolution differences. I have absolutely zero interest in using consumer grade glass on FF. I used consumer grade glass on FF (i.e., 35mm film) and I don't want to go back to that. (And none of my slow glass are really consumer grade. They in any case don't perform like consumer grade glass. One of the advantages of Pentax over other brands is that Pentax has made some wonderful slow glass over the years.)
Originally posted by TomTextura Your points are valid but mostly just for your style of shooting, that style being landscape from what I gather.
Precisely! And I'm not challenging the idea that FF might make sense for other styles of shooting; only that it doesn't, from a cost/benefit standpoint, for my style of shooting. The added resolution I would get from FF just isn't worth the extra cost.
Originally posted by TomTextura But blur doesn't come anywhere close to mimicking bokeh!
That's exactly what I tell my sister, but she's unmoved by such arguments, which she regards as mere manifestations of an obsession with gear. Being able to add blur precisely where she wants it is important for her style of photography. And, to be entirely fair about, her
images, including the added blur, are stunning.
Originally posted by eddie1960 DA 10-17 3.5-4.5 is what 15-25??, there is the Sigma 12-24 which is FF and an excellent if somewhat large lens.
These are not really equivalent lenses. The Sigma 12-24 has about a 120º FOV at the wide end; the DA 10-17 is close to 180º.