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08-18-2012, 11:07 AM   #61
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Considering the cameras some of the greatest photographers have shot with, I must agree with what someone else in this thread said: I believe it will be hard for me to ever "outgrow" a camera, yet alone a modern DSLR. I can understand the wish for those additional features and cleaner files, though.
That said, there are far too many lenses I still want to get, for me to be able to replace my aging K10D. However tempted I might be with each release of a new camera. Also, I have grown to love this camera's colors, and, while I haven't had the opportunity to shoot a K-5, among other newer cameras I have sporadically tried, including a D7000, none has convienced me in that regard. Not that I have tried them for long enough to be sure.

So, bottom line: I'll probably keep this body for a long time. Or till it dies (built-in flash already not working, which has me a bit concerned).

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Well, I just sold my K7 in preparation for buying my Q setup. That means I am back to my little old DL2 as my Pentax DSLR. Not that I mind all that much since I certainly don't feel like I actually "outgrew" that little camera anyway.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kona Quote
I like my K-r, but I find the higher ISOs to be pretty much unusable. Even 3200 is far too noisy for my likings. I know there are plugins for photoshop to help with it, but I try to get the best I can in camera, not rely on PP. I'd also like greater DR, weather proofing, and a top LCD. I'm waiting for photokina to see the K5's successor, but I'd be happy with a K5 itself, I think. Just too close to Sept to buy now, though. I'd have bought a K30 if it took a grip and had a top LCD, I think. But I really want those, so K5 or whatever replaces it for me.
FWIW, the high ISO of my K5 is not miles above that of my K-x.
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I may need to try this option. As you say, the Pentax flashes are dated. The AF360 is 11 years old and the AF540 is in its 7th year.
Thanks for that info, never found it anywhere... didn't know the "latest" Pentax flashes were that old already (and to think Nikon just released the SB-910 this year...)

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A few things I discovered over this weekend... did a non-paying wedding as a favour

I bought the very expensive non rechargeable Lithium AA batteries for my flash (16 dollars for 4) and it really improved the cycle time... could also shoot longer and faster without changing batteries (sigma DG500 super) it was like a turbo charger for it.
My K10 is so very out of sorts as far as speed of focus... the FA50 1.4 sounded like it was keeping up in autofocus (people walking down the isle) but as I fired the shot, by the time the focus was locked and the shutter fired, in that fraction of a second the people where slightly out of focus, just enough to say it isn't a keeper. A fraction of a second really makes a huge difference with sharpness in the eyes... out a little bit and it isn't a pleasant (but still usable shot if you claim you are not a pro ) yes I could have used a flash but it was a wide open room and could not bounce it anywhere unless someone was closer to the walls... plus my wife had her pop up on just in case.
Now to convince someone else in the family that I really need a newer generation camera

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QuoteOriginally posted by slip Quote
A few things I discovered over this weekend... did a non-paying wedding as a favour

I bought the very expensive non rechargeable Lithium AA batteries for my flash (16 dollars for 4) and it really improved the cycle time... could also shoot longer and faster without changing batteries (sigma DG500 super) it was like a turbo charger for it.
My K10 is so very out of sorts as far as speed of focus... the FA50 1.4 sounded like it was keeping up in autofocus (people walking down the isle) but as I fired the shot, by the time the focus was locked and the shutter fired, in that fraction of a second the people where slightly out of focus, just enough to say it isn't a keeper. A fraction of a second really makes a huge difference with sharpness in the eyes... out a little bit and it isn't a pleasant (but still usable shot if you claim you are not a pro ) yes I could have used a flash but it was a wide open room and could not bounce it anywhere unless someone was closer to the walls... plus my wife had her pop up on just in case.
Now to convince someone else in the family that I really need a newer generation camera
Trying to catch a moving target at large apertures will challenge every generation of AF or my MF skills even after 40 years.

I prefer the K20 over the K10 for wedding and party work with a flash because its sensor is better at ISO 400, and shooting raw, you can squeeze a bit more out of it later. I am not a pro, but I seem to shoot quite a few weddings (6 in the last two years) and tons of parties. I really don't find it that hard to bounce at most weddings, even with high ceilings. One problem I do not have with the AF540 is its power.

Here is a shot from the dancing after a wedding in 2009, taken with the K10d and AF540 bounced off the ceiling of a big hall at ISO 400. Not a great work of art, but reasonably well lit. Point of focus is the woman in the front left.



This gives you an idea of what I was dealing with.



As long as the ceiling is not too dark, it seems like I can bounce the AF540 from quite a distance. Ceilings sprayed matte black are a killer, though. Lens was a Sigma 17-35/2.8 at F5.6. The hall was actually darker to the eyes than it appears when lit by the bounced flash.
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Hey Slip (what happened to "chuck"?). Seeing as you're one of the "originals" here I'll let you in on a little secret - Pentax focussing system isn't as fast as some other makes. There, I said it

I've moved to Nikon and the difference between the K-7 I had, and the similar generation D300s was amazing!

However if you want to stick to Pentax I think you'll find an upgrade to a K-5 from a K10D to also be very enlightening for you. I went from *istDs, to K20D, to K-7. each was a step up in speed. I'm told the K-5 was yet another step up. So to go from K10D to K-5 would be several steps, a jump even! I think you'd be very happy.

However, as you mentioned sports, a switch to either of the the other big two camera-makers would be an even bigger jump for you, but probably only worth it if you are specialising more in sport, such as I am. I'm also liking the Nkon flash system, but that's another story...

On another note, it would be interesting to compare those lithiums in your flash to NiMH batteries for recycle time. i understand the NiMH are faster than the average alkalines, plus they're rechargeable.
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The K-5 is definitely a worthy AF-speed contender to today's AF standards, but moving targets will be hard to get focus spot on with even for the most capable of cameras. It takes some timing to get a good keeper. I have found that the more I shoot, the more I can be satisfied with even my older generation cameras. There are times I miss the brilliance of the 6Mp CCD sensor of the *ist D, but the K-5's sensor is brilliant in its own way...

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I don't think that I will ever outgrow my K20D, or even my K200D for that matter. But I have grown rather old of late, and this body doesn't bend and twist like it used to, and both knees are getting a bit cranky, especially about getting up after kneeling on the ground for a shot. So my problem is, I have grown too old to rely on just an optical viewfinder. I really do need a Pentax with a flip out screen, and WR like the Olympus model. C'mon Pentax, it's 2012 already! If Canon and Nikon can do it, so can you!
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