What would you do if Pentax does not announce a FF for 2013?

JohnBee · 07-25-2012, 11:33 PM

Poor Sony

**RobA_Oz** · 07-25-2012, 11:56 PM

Originally posted by ElJamoquio

Huh? Pixel density is the same as the k-5. Are you arguing edge performance or something?

Fixed aperture, fast zooms, mainly.

Frogfish · 07-26-2012, 12:24 AM

My decision is made. I'm going dual systems because Pentax just can not offer me the long lenses, I need for birding, and their lack of clarity on both FF and the 560mm. There is no way I'm going to wait for an announcement, then another few months to the launch and then another few months to ensure the feedback is positive.

Price is also a major factor. If any Pentax FF gets close to the D800's US$3,000 then it had better be out of this world. Around US$2,000 - 2,200 should otherwise be it's price-point.

One K5 (or maybe later it's replacement) will stay and I'll sell off the other (and sell the Q which was a waste of money for me personally) plus sell maybe 10-12 of my 20 or so lenses. Keeping the classic glass; 77, 43, 15, Tamron 90 macro and Zeiss lenses etc.

In comes the D800 plus a Sigma 500mm to get me started. It is the crop modes (x1.2 @ 24mp and x1.5 @ 16mp with the world's best AF) that sold me on this over the 5DIII (another superb new AF system). We'll see what else is added as funds appear later.

Ken T · 07-26-2012, 12:38 AM

I don't need FF so I don't want it. APS-C satisfies me well enough.

**RobA_Oz** · 07-26-2012, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by JohnBee

Poor Sony

Canon's not doing too well in this one, either.

Clavius · 07-26-2012, 01:07 AM

I choose to "wait it out". The thought of selling all my Pentax gear and beginning from scratch with a new system horrifies me. And my K5 and my primes will outperforming ME for a great while longer. I'm still amazed at what a lovely machine it is every time I use it.

On the other hand: If Pentax does bring out that FF, I'll be first in line to buy it. And I think there's lots of people like me out there. Pentax would be kinda foolish not to bring out a FF.

**Kerrowdown** · 07-26-2012, 01:47 AM

Nothing, just carry on with my present Pentax kit, when FF is required for a job, I will continue to use "other manufacturers" equipment to meet that need.

rhermans · 07-26-2012, 01:56 AM

I don't really need the FF, still love the k5 and it smallness. A ff wil be larger, half of my lenses wouldn't fit.

Frogfish · 07-26-2012, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Canon's not doing too well in this one, either.

I tend to think there is more of a Pentax owners bias against Canon. Nikon cameras are thought to have more in common with Pentax cameras. The new 5DIII is a superb camera (though with the stupid omission of the crop modes).

psychdoc · 07-26-2012, 03:49 AM

APSC is it.

Small size of the system is what got me into Pentax in the first place. Even if Pentax were to bring out a relatively small full frame, the lenses are NOT going to be small. To get the equivalent of the 50-135 I would have to carry around a 70-200 which is just too big to walk around with. At least for me. But then photography is only a hobby for me. I suppose professionals need it?

My fear is that Pentax will wind up losing a lot of money on this FF thing. They will need to make a bunch of new lenses too.

I am just waiting for Electronic View Finders to become as good as optical ones. A small APSC or even a compact with something like that would get my money. I have not liked the feel of the Sony ones yet though.

tenpointnine · 07-26-2012, 04:35 AM

Meh.

I'm sensor size agnostic.

I could probably be tempted by the the successor to the K5, regardless of the physical size of the sensor.

RonHendriks1966 · 07-26-2012, 04:56 AM

voted "wait it out", but maybe I don't know would also be a good answer.

**Lowell Goudge** · 07-26-2012, 05:08 AM

in looking at the results so far, what I don't understand is canon's poor performance. Many full frame advocates want a full frame camera to "use the legacy lenses as intended", and canon offers the ability to do just that, in fact it is my fallback if ever there is no more K/M42 compatible offering from a camera maker, be it pentax, ricoh or who ever picks up the brand later on. The reason is I can put an adaptor on to the canon camera to use my pentax glass. OK fine I give up a few lenses I use presently like my sigma 70-200/2.8 but all 35+ of my legacy MF lenses will still be useable.

I took some criticism for saying that anyone who leaves pentax because they are not releasing full frame should have never started with pentax, but the fact is, many shooters who came from pentax film are supportive of pentax ASP-C format, and the newer lenses brought out to use that format at the wide end. They are entitled to their opinion, but when it comes down to it, I am not sure the benefit is there any longer. The K5 especially has changed drastically the perception that we can only have high ISO low noise performance with full frame and bigger optical cells.

for me, the biggest thing about going to full frame would be the view finder. Not the optics, or lack of, not the format, not the noise. Every time I pick up my PZ1 I see a huge viewfinder...

**RobA_Oz** · 07-26-2012, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by psychdoc

I am just waiting for Electronic View Finders to become as good as optical ones. A small APSC or even a compact with something like that would get my money. I have not liked the feel of the Sony ones yet though.

That's an interesting one. After the release of the OM-D, people were declaring that the end of the optical DSLR was in sight, because of the EVF. I managed to get my hands on one recently and, while I was delighted by the size and style of it, the EVF was as big a turn-off for me as the bulkiness of the D800 sitting next to it in the shop. Frankly, if this is meant to be the future of DSLRs, then my K-5 will have to see service for some time to come. The lag on panning was more than a little noticeable, and there was an odd strobing effect on contrasty subjects in the artificially-lit shop. I remember looking at a friend's Panasonic GH-1, and thinking much the same thing a couple of years ago, so the progress being made in this area is not great, at least with regard to those aspects. This is not to say that EVFs don't have their plusses, but for me, the minuses are enough to put me off right now.

**RobA_Oz** · 07-26-2012, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Lowell Goudge

for me, the biggest thing about going to full frame would be the view finder. Not the optics, or lack of, not the format, not the noise. Every time I pick up my PZ1 I see a huge viewfinder...

+1 to that. Dimmer eyesight is an inevitable result of getting older, even if 60 is the new 40 in other respects!

Unless someone comes up with an optical Viagra, I'll be pinning my photographic future on a 35mm sensor DSLR, or maybe going back to film if a suitable one doesn't come along soon. On the other hand, a second-hand M9 might be an attractive proposition in a few years.

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07-26-2012, 12:24 AM	#33
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	My decision is made. I'm going dual systems because Pentax just can not offer me the long lenses, I need for birding, and their lack of clarity on both FF and the 560mm. There is no way I'm going to wait for an announcement, then another few months to the launch and then another few months to ensure the feedback is positive. Price is also a major factor. If any Pentax FF gets close to the D800's US$3,000 then it had better be out of this world. Around US$2,000 - 2,200 should otherwise be it's price-point. One K5 (or maybe later it's replacement) will stay and I'll sell off the other (and sell the Q which was a waste of money for me personally) plus sell maybe 10-12 of my 20 or so lenses. Keeping the classic glass; 77, 43, 15, Tamron 90 macro and Zeiss lenses etc. In comes the D800 plus a Sigma 500mm to get me started. It is the crop modes (x1.2 @ 24mp and x1.5 @ 16mp with the world's best AF) that sold me on this over the 5DIII (another superb new AF system). We'll see what else is added as funds appear later. Last edited by Frogfish; 07-26-2012 at 04:31 AM.

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07-25-2012, 11:33 PM	#31
JohnBee Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Newrfoundland Photos: Albums Posts: 4,667	Poor Sony

07-25-2012, 11:56 PM	#32
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by ElJamoquio Huh? Pixel density is the same as the k-5. Are you arguing edge performance or something? Fixed aperture, fast zooms, mainly.

07-26-2012, 12:38 AM	#34
Ken T Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: California, USA Posts: 536	I don't need FF so I don't want it. APS-C satisfies me well enough.

07-26-2012, 01:05 AM	#35
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by JohnBee Poor Sony Canon's not doing too well in this one, either.

07-26-2012, 01:07 AM	#36
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	I choose to "wait it out". The thought of selling all my Pentax gear and beginning from scratch with a new system horrifies me. And my K5 and my primes will outperforming ME for a great while longer. I'm still amazed at what a lovely machine it is every time I use it. On the other hand: If Pentax does bring out that FF, I'll be first in line to buy it. And I think there's lots of people like me out there. Pentax would be kinda foolish not to bring out a FF.

07-26-2012, 01:47 AM	#37
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,863	Nothing, just carry on with my present Pentax kit, when FF is required for a job, I will continue to use "other manufacturers" equipment to meet that need.

07-26-2012, 01:56 AM	#38
rhermans Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Europe - Belgium - Antwerp Photos: Albums Posts: 213	I don't really need the FF, still love the k5 and it smallness. A ff wil be larger, half of my lenses wouldn't fit.

07-26-2012, 02:01 AM	#39
Frogfish Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Shanghai Posts: 4,490	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Canon's not doing too well in this one, either. I tend to think there is more of a Pentax owners bias against Canon. Nikon cameras are thought to have more in common with Pentax cameras. The new 5DIII is a superb camera (though with the stupid omission of the crop modes).

07-26-2012, 03:49 AM	#40
psychdoc Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Bham Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 949	APSC is it. Small size of the system is what got me into Pentax in the first place. Even if Pentax were to bring out a relatively small full frame, the lenses are NOT going to be small. To get the equivalent of the 50-135 I would have to carry around a 70-200 which is just too big to walk around with. At least for me. But then photography is only a hobby for me. I suppose professionals need it? My fear is that Pentax will wind up losing a lot of money on this FF thing. They will need to make a bunch of new lenses too. I am just waiting for Electronic View Finders to become as good as optical ones. A small APSC or even a compact with something like that would get my money. I have not liked the feel of the Sony ones yet though.

07-26-2012, 04:35 AM	#41
tenpointnine Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 43	Meh. I'm sensor size agnostic. I could probably be tempted by the the successor to the K5, regardless of the physical size of the sensor.

07-26-2012, 04:56 AM	#42
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	voted "wait it out", but maybe I don't know would also be a good answer.

07-26-2012, 05:08 AM	#43
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,891	in looking at the results so far, what I don't understand is canon's poor performance. Many full frame advocates want a full frame camera to "use the legacy lenses as intended", and canon offers the ability to do just that, in fact it is my fallback if ever there is no more K/M42 compatible offering from a camera maker, be it pentax, ricoh or who ever picks up the brand later on. The reason is I can put an adaptor on to the canon camera to use my pentax glass. OK fine I give up a few lenses I use presently like my sigma 70-200/2.8 but all 35+ of my legacy MF lenses will still be useable. I took some criticism for saying that anyone who leaves pentax because they are not releasing full frame should have never started with pentax, but the fact is, many shooters who came from pentax film are supportive of pentax ASP-C format, and the newer lenses brought out to use that format at the wide end. They are entitled to their opinion, but when it comes down to it, I am not sure the benefit is there any longer. The K5 especially has changed drastically the perception that we can only have high ISO low noise performance with full frame and bigger optical cells. for me, the biggest thing about going to full frame would be the view finder. Not the optics, or lack of, not the format, not the noise. Every time I pick up my PZ1 I see a huge viewfinder...

07-26-2012, 05:10 AM	#44
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by psychdoc I am just waiting for Electronic View Finders to become as good as optical ones. A small APSC or even a compact with something like that would get my money. I have not liked the feel of the Sony ones yet though. That's an interesting one. After the release of the OM-D, people were declaring that the end of the optical DSLR was in sight, because of the EVF. I managed to get my hands on one recently and, while I was delighted by the size and style of it, the EVF was as big a turn-off for me as the bulkiness of the D800 sitting next to it in the shop. Frankly, if this is meant to be the future of DSLRs, then my K-5 will have to see service for some time to come. The lag on panning was more than a little noticeable, and there was an odd strobing effect on contrasty subjects in the artificially-lit shop. I remember looking at a friend's Panasonic GH-1, and thinking much the same thing a couple of years ago, so the progress being made in this area is not great, at least with regard to those aspects. This is not to say that EVFs don't have their plusses, but for me, the minuses are enough to put me off right now.

07-26-2012, 05:16 AM	#45
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by Lowell Goudge for me, the biggest thing about going to full frame would be the view finder. Not the optics, or lack of, not the format, not the noise. Every time I pick up my PZ1 I see a huge viewfinder... +1 to that. Dimmer eyesight is an inevitable result of getting older, even if 60 is the new 40 in other respects! Unless someone comes up with an optical Viagra, I'll be pinning my photographic future on a 35mm sensor DSLR, or maybe going back to film if a suitable one doesn't come along soon. On the other hand, a second-hand M9 might be an attractive proposition in a few years.