Sticky buttons and selectors of the K10D

RiceHigh · 01-01-2007, 08:15 AM

I note that the buttons and selectors of the K10D are particular "sticky" and not crisp. That means that one will not be so sure if it is pressed or not, for the buttons and the feeling of turning the selectors are rather bad indeed, IMHO.

E.g., the AEL button and the AF mode selector is especially sticky. This applies to the mode dial as well, my K100D's mode dial is obviously more "clear" and crisp.

Well, if this consequence is a result of the splash proof design, then I would say, "Oh, NO!"

Still, I just wonder, just because the D200, which I have also used, does NOT have this problem. And, the D200 is also dust and splash proof.

How about your K10D? What do you feel and think?

-=JoN=- · 01-01-2007, 09:23 AM

buttons on the body feel fine, feels like i've pressed it...the grips ae-l is a bit different, but thats the grip..

trog100 · 01-01-2007, 09:29 AM

"Well, if this consequence is a result of the splash proof design, then I would say, "Oh, NO!"

it probably is a consequence of the extra seals.. i dont have the two cameras to compare side by side but what u say sounds logical to me.. very few things come totally free..

trog

-=JoN=- · 01-01-2007, 09:35 AM

another thing to do when I stop by Adorama....sheez (play w/ a d200)

roscot · 01-01-2007, 09:41 AM

Sorry RH,

I just compared to my DS. There is a very slight - emphasize "slight" - difference in feel, and they are a bit stiffer do to the seals, but there is a very definite crispness to the feel. I have no problem telling that a button has been pushed, or a dial is in position. In fact I like the feel better than the DS.

Photo Tramp · 01-01-2007, 09:52 AM

Hi Rice,

I just want to say thank you for the problem break out of the k10D. It is very informative and I accept your opinion, and those of all here. As far as the stickiness of the buttons on the camera go, I think this would be considered nit picking. Now what will happen in a few months when the camera really gets broken in will this go a way (maybe) if it is the seals then I would say they are doing their job. Are the seals used in this camera the same as Nikon? (I don't think so.) do the buttons stick when pressed or do they just feel stiff? I would say they just feel stiff and this will pass with the age of the camera. If it is a problem and the buttons stick and stay down and it takes a second or two to come back up you have a warranty on the camera and maybe service would be in order. but I know the response from you would be this should not be with a new camera. Rice it's new and mechanical and not perfect. It's also something you could live with (unless your that much of a perfectionist ) and then you need help that a camera can't give.

Good Shooting.
Cheers: David

PS I'm not being nasty here I think something of this nature is no problem and shouldn't be made one. And please Rice post some pictures I would rather see those then this. I think you mean well and your a Tech head but this is a little over the top. MY OPINION

klopus · 01-01-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

I note that the buttons and selectors of the K10D are particular "sticky" and not crisp. That means that one will not be so sure if it is pressed or not, for the buttons and the feeling of turning the selectors are rather bad indeed, IMHO.
................................................................
How about your K10D? What do you feel and think?

I think it's pretty fine. I'm not really sure what you're talking about. No worse no better than buttons on 30D and D80. Definitely something really subjective and not worth scaring off newbies and starting whole thread about this.

RH, I looked at your blog and at your postings here. With all due respect, looks like you have some bitter unfinished business with Pentax. Are you sure that you aren't a little bit too obsessed with negativity and kinda looking on purpose for things to put down? Sorry, but this obvious imbalance strikes me as somewhat counterproductive.

trog100 · 01-01-2007, 02:07 PM

i think rh has a "second language" or even a fifth language problem.. he he

"rather bad indeed," his strange use of the english language perhaps dosnt quite come across as he intends..

he might also have no use at all for the splash proofing and think "sticky" buttons as opposed to none "stucky" buttons aint a good swop.. he does seem a perfectionist thow..

but then again his k10 might really have "sticky" buttons.. he he

who the hell knows..

trog

Edvinas · 01-01-2007, 05:26 PM

I have two complaints in that area:

1) Focus mode switch. It's very hard to feel fixation when you switch between MF/AF-C/AF-S;

2) Shutter button half-press isn't really "half-press". It is rather "easy-touch". I liked my DS shutter button much more.

No complaints to other dials, switches and buttons.

joele · 01-01-2007, 07:22 PM

The buttons feel good to me..

The switches are OK, the focus one M/AF-C/AF-S is a little stiff (I would call them stiff not sticky)... I guess it is due to the weather sealing, it doesn't bother me, and certainly not enough to see it as an "issue".. But I can tell a difference to the non-sealed Pentax cameras I have had before..

I actually really prefer the very sensitive shutter button..

**jfdavis58** · 01-01-2007, 08:30 PM

Sure your name is RiceHigh and not High on Rice?

I just read your whole blog! It's going to take me several baths to make the scummy feeling go away. But I am totally convinced of one thing-just one thing: "You don't like Pentax cameras, especially the digital line-up." You're not spreading good technical information about real problems but rather spewing hearsay, conjecture and speculation aimed at inflating every tiny glitch to apocalyptic proportions.

It's not informative or entertaining.

I'm not fond of Ford cars. To the point that I don't even enter contests with one as a prize. I prefer to ride in a Yugo or walk, over riding in a Ford. I have my reasons. But I don't go around to all the Ford car forums and bash Ford products. I don't protest outside a dealership in every free moment of my life. I buy a different brand and drive that instead. Or I walk.

So back to the point: I don't listen to my camera or feel-it-up like some teenager in the backseat of a Ford. I try to take pictures with my camera. I do that a lot-pushing the shutter release over and over and over. And if my camera does actually fail in the near future, then I've got 10 1/2 months of warranty left and Pentax will fix it or replace it or the dealer where I bought it will eat the cost and we part company.

So Rice, I say leave Pentax alone; they don't care you're not satisfied; and frankly, neither do I. And if the Site owner here bans you for your negativity, I may just cheer and send him another donation.

vievetrick · 01-02-2007, 02:32 AM

Originally posted by jfdavis58

Sure your name is RiceHigh and not High on Rice?

I just read your whole blog! It's going to take me several baths to make the scummy feeling go away. But I am totally convinced of one thing-just one thing: "You don't like Pentax cameras, especially the digital line-up." You're not spreading good technical information about real problems but rather spewing hearsay, conjecture and speculation aimed at inflating every tiny glitch to apocalyptic proportions.

It's not informative or entertaining.

I'm not fond of Ford cars. To the point that I don't even enter contests with one as a prize. I prefer to ride in a Yugo or walk, over riding in a Ford. I have my reasons. But I don't go around to all the Ford car forums and bash Ford products. I don't protest outside a dealership in every free moment of my life. I buy a different brand and drive that instead. Or I walk.

So back to the point: I don't listen to my camera or feel-it-up like some teenager in the backseat of a Ford. I try to take pictures with my camera. I do that a lot-pushing the shutter release over and over and over. And if my camera does actually fail in the near future, then I've got 10 1/2 months of warranty left and Pentax will fix it or replace it or the dealer where I bought it will eat the cost and we part company.

So Rice, I say leave Pentax alone; they don't care you're not satisfied; and frankly, neither do I. And if the Site owner here bans you for your negativity, I may just cheer and send him another donation.

RiceHigh · 01-02-2007, 06:35 AM

I wonder if the stiffness (well, I've learnt a better word here :-) will be decreased over time, when the new camera has been used longer and it becomes no longer brand new..

But I wonder at that time when the stiffness disappear, will the water resistence will be decreased also?

Anyway, I don't like the feel. My K100 feels much better (and indeed it is better than my old DS and D).

Well, the best thing is still the MZ-S, every button and dial is perfect, the soft touch shutter release button has good gradual resistance than the K10D, so it is both responsive and safe to use (no accidential firing). Also, the vertical grip BG-10 (made in China) is having the same quality and feel of the MZ-S body (which was made in Japan).

trog100 · 01-02-2007, 06:36 AM

nothing wrong with a bit of "negativity" to offset the excessive fanboy stuff..

"positivity" dont kinda have the same ring to it thow.. he he

trog

klopus · 01-02-2007, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by trog100

nothing wrong with a bit of "negativity" to offset the excessive fanboy stuff..
trog

It's all in the doses of negativity and its kind. Too much of it, like in case of our friend Rice, and you're getting FUD.

01-01-2007, 08:15 AM	#1
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Sticky buttons and selectors of the K10D I note that the buttons and selectors of the K10D are particular "sticky" and not crisp. That means that one will not be so sure if it is pressed or not, for the buttons and the feeling of turning the selectors are rather bad indeed, IMHO. E.g., the AEL button and the AF mode selector is especially sticky. This applies to the mode dial as well, my K100D's mode dial is obviously more "clear" and crisp. Well, if this consequence is a result of the splash proof design, then I would say, "Oh, NO!" Still, I just wonder, just because the D200, which I have also used, does NOT have this problem. And, the D200 is also dust and splash proof. How about your K10D? What do you feel and think?

01-01-2007, 12:36 PM	#7
klopus Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 56	Rice, are you sure it's worth it? Originally posted by RiceHigh I note that the buttons and selectors of the K10D are particular "sticky" and not crisp. That means that one will not be so sure if it is pressed or not, for the buttons and the feeling of turning the selectors are rather bad indeed, IMHO. ................................................................ How about your K10D? What do you feel and think? I think it's pretty fine. I'm not really sure what you're talking about. No worse no better than buttons on 30D and D80. Definitely something really subjective and not worth scaring off newbies and starting whole thread about this. RH, I looked at your blog and at your postings here. With all due respect, looks like you have some bitter unfinished business with Pentax. Are you sure that you aren't a little bit too obsessed with negativity and kinda looking on purpose for things to put down? Sorry, but this obvious imbalance strikes me as somewhat counterproductive.

01-01-2007, 07:22 PM	#10
joele Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,308	The buttons feel good to me.. The switches are OK, the focus one M/AF-C/AF-S is a little stiff (I would call them stiff not sticky)... I guess it is due to the weather sealing, it doesn't bother me, and certainly not enough to see it as an "issue".. But I can tell a difference to the non-sealed Pentax cameras I have had before.. I actually really prefer the very sensitive shutter button.. Last edited by joele; 01-01-2007 at 08:33 PM.

01-01-2007, 08:30 PM	#11
jfdavis58 Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: 13 S 0357397-3884316 Photos: Gallery Posts: 888	Stop Bashing Pentax, buy something else... Sure your name is RiceHigh and not High on Rice? I just read your whole blog! It's going to take me several baths to make the scummy feeling go away. But I am totally convinced of one thing-just one thing: "You don't like Pentax cameras, especially the digital line-up." You're not spreading good technical information about real problems but rather spewing hearsay, conjecture and speculation aimed at inflating every tiny glitch to apocalyptic proportions. It's not informative or entertaining. I'm not fond of Ford cars. To the point that I don't even enter contests with one as a prize. I prefer to ride in a Yugo or walk, over riding in a Ford. I have my reasons. But I don't go around to all the Ford car forums and bash Ford products. I don't protest outside a dealership in every free moment of my life. I buy a different brand and drive that instead. Or I walk. So back to the point: I don't listen to my camera or feel-it-up like some teenager in the backseat of a Ford. I try to take pictures with my camera. I do that a lot-pushing the shutter release over and over and over. And if my camera does actually fail in the near future, then I've got 10 1/2 months of warranty left and Pentax will fix it or replace it or the dealer where I bought it will eat the cost and we part company. So Rice, I say leave Pentax alone; they don't care you're not satisfied; and frankly, neither do I. And if the Site owner here bans you for your negativity, I may just cheer and send him another donation.

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01-01-2007, 09:23 AM	#2
-=JoN=- Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 1,000	buttons on the body feel fine, feels like i've pressed it...the grips ae-l is a bit different, but thats the grip..

01-01-2007, 09:29 AM	#3
trog100 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 642	"Well, if this consequence is a result of the splash proof design, then I would say, "Oh, NO!" it probably is a consequence of the extra seals.. i dont have the two cameras to compare side by side but what u say sounds logical to me.. very few things come totally free.. trog

01-01-2007, 09:35 AM	#4
-=JoN=- Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 1,000	another thing to do when I stop by Adorama....sheez (play w/ a d200)

01-01-2007, 09:41 AM	#5
roscot Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Virginia Beach VA USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,363	Sorry RH, I just compared to my DS. There is a very slight - emphasize "slight" - difference in feel, and they are a bit stiffer do to the seals, but there is a very definite crispness to the feel. I have no problem telling that a button has been pushed, or a dial is in position. In fact I like the feel better than the DS.

01-01-2007, 09:52 AM	#6
Photo Tramp Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA. Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,041	Hi Rice, I just want to say thank you for the problem break out of the k10D. It is very informative and I accept your opinion, and those of all here. As far as the stickiness of the buttons on the camera go, I think this would be considered nit picking. Now what will happen in a few months when the camera really gets broken in will this go a way (maybe) if it is the seals then I would say they are doing their job. Are the seals used in this camera the same as Nikon? (I don't think so.) do the buttons stick when pressed or do they just feel stiff? I would say they just feel stiff and this will pass with the age of the camera. If it is a problem and the buttons stick and stay down and it takes a second or two to come back up you have a warranty on the camera and maybe service would be in order. but I know the response from you would be this should not be with a new camera. Rice it's new and mechanical and not perfect. It's also something you could live with (unless your that much of a perfectionist ) and then you need help that a camera can't give. Good Shooting. Cheers: David PS I'm not being nasty here I think something of this nature is no problem and shouldn't be made one. And please Rice post some pictures I would rather see those then this. I think you mean well and your a Tech head but this is a little over the top. MY OPINION

01-01-2007, 02:07 PM	#8
trog100 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 642	i think rh has a "second language" or even a fifth language problem.. he he "rather bad indeed," his strange use of the english language perhaps dosnt quite come across as he intends.. he might also have no use at all for the splash proofing and think "sticky" buttons as opposed to none "stucky" buttons aint a good swop.. he does seem a perfectionist thow.. but then again his k10 might really have "sticky" buttons.. he he who the hell knows.. trog

01-01-2007, 05:26 PM	#9
Edvinas Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Kaunas Posts: 1,458	I have two complaints in that area: 1) Focus mode switch. It's very hard to feel fixation when you switch between MF/AF-C/AF-S; 2) Shutter button half-press isn't really "half-press". It is rather "easy-touch". I liked my DS shutter button much more. No complaints to other dials, switches and buttons.

01-02-2007, 02:32 AM	#12
vievetrick Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Easthampton - Massachusetts - USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,184	Originally posted by jfdavis58 Sure your name is RiceHigh and not High on Rice? I just read your whole blog! It's going to take me several baths to make the scummy feeling go away. But I am totally convinced of one thing-just one thing: "You don't like Pentax cameras, especially the digital line-up." You're not spreading good technical information about real problems but rather spewing hearsay, conjecture and speculation aimed at inflating every tiny glitch to apocalyptic proportions. It's not informative or entertaining. I'm not fond of Ford cars. To the point that I don't even enter contests with one as a prize. I prefer to ride in a Yugo or walk, over riding in a Ford. I have my reasons. But I don't go around to all the Ford car forums and bash Ford products. I don't protest outside a dealership in every free moment of my life. I buy a different brand and drive that instead. Or I walk. So back to the point: I don't listen to my camera or feel-it-up like some teenager in the backseat of a Ford. I try to take pictures with my camera. I do that a lot-pushing the shutter release over and over and over. And if my camera does actually fail in the near future, then I've got 10 1/2 months of warranty left and Pentax will fix it or replace it or the dealer where I bought it will eat the cost and we part company. So Rice, I say leave Pentax alone; they don't care you're not satisfied; and frankly, neither do I. And if the Site owner here bans you for your negativity, I may just cheer and send him another donation.

01-02-2007, 06:35 AM	#13
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934 Original Poster	I wonder if the stiffness (well, I've learnt a better word here :-) will be decreased over time, when the new camera has been used longer and it becomes no longer brand new.. But I wonder at that time when the stiffness disappear, will the water resistence will be decreased also? Anyway, I don't like the feel. My K100 feels much better (and indeed it is better than my old DS and D). Well, the best thing is still the MZ-S, every button and dial is perfect, the soft touch shutter release button has good gradual resistance than the K10D, so it is both responsive and safe to use (no accidential firing). Also, the vertical grip BG-10 (made in China) is having the same quality and feel of the MZ-S body (which was made in Japan).

01-02-2007, 06:36 AM	#14
trog100 Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 642	nothing wrong with a bit of "negativity" to offset the excessive fanboy stuff.. "positivity" dont kinda have the same ring to it thow.. he he trog

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01-02-2007, 07:58 AM	#15
klopus Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: NYC Posts: 56	Originally posted by trog100 nothing wrong with a bit of "negativity" to offset the excessive fanboy stuff.. trog It's all in the doses of negativity and its kind. Too much of it, like in case of our friend Rice, and you're getting FUD.