[Clothears]

Maybe it is time to listen to the market. Tilt screens, wireless, good, fast AF are the thing the market wants.

I don't want tilt screen, or wireless.

[cxdoo]

I don't want tilt screen, or wireless.

Me neither. According to doomers that's already close to 50% of Pentax user base, so the market has spoken.

[Merts]

Mind you, I have nothing against improving / decripling the lens mount. My camera meters just fine without pressing any extra buttons. I set the ISO manually and let the camera choose necessary exposure. If the ISO is set to Auto the camera the camera behaves in a similar fashion. It works the same way in both CDAF and PDAF modes. No additional steps required.

I assume you are talking about M42 lenses? A manual aperture K mount lens doesn't get stopped down until you either hit the green button or push the shutter release, and without the aperture feeler the camera doesn't know what the aperture is set to until the lens gets stopped down.

[Stagnant]

I assume you are talking about M42 lenses? A manual aperture K mount lens doesn't get stopped down until you either hit the green button or push the shutter release, and without the aperture feeler the camera doesn't know what the aperture is set to until the lens gets stopped down.

I am using Helios 44-K-4 in K-mount. SMC Pentax A 50 F2 - it works in the same way (with aperture closed manually). With aperture set to A it works just like any other lens, save for the autofocus.

[Merts]

I am using Helios 44-K-4 in K-mount. SMC Pentax A 50 F2 - it works in the same way (with aperture closed manually). With aperture set to A it works just like any other lens, save for the autofocus.

Yep, any lens with an A setting will work on the crippled mount, because they have an electrical contact for the aperture. Similarly, any lens which you can manually step down will work because the camera is metering through the stepped down lens.


The problem is with K or M series lenses which do not get stepped down until you release the shutter (or use the green button). Because the mount doesn't have the aperture feeler, the camera doesn't know what aperture is set, and cannot meter correctly unless you use the green button.

[drougge]

Decripling the mount is about being able to use aperture priority exposure rather than manual.

No it isn't! It's about letting the camera meter (continuously) with the lens open. I have every intention of still using manual mode for almost everything, it will just be a much more pleasant experience. Others may wish to use it for aperture priority mode. (Most others probably.)

[Merts]

No it isn't! It's about letting the camera meter (continuously) with the lens open. I have every intention of still using manual mode for almost everything, it will just be a much more pleasant experience. Others may wish to use it for aperture priority mode. (Most others probably.)

I stand corrected. I was just trying to get across that the crippled mount is about metering, not focussing.

[zapp]

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274 users already have signed this petition to de-cripple the Pentax K-mount (i.e. to restore the aperture ring coupler).

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Excerpt from this interview:



One of the very few reasons, why I would consider to buy an APS-DSLR again: A de-crippled PKAF2-mount.
An important feature, which the D7000 offers but the K-5 II(s) still lacks.
Why not invest some cents or even dollars?



Pentaxians, let your voices be heard !

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Copied from #117:

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LAST UPDATE: 12/03/2014 13:30 CEST

xxx #xxxx xxx
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001 #---1 froeschle
002 #like Alfie (+ #--24: Count my vote!)
003 #like tibi
004 #---4 Aegon (old lenses more useful)
005 #---8 Docrwm (would be nice ... improvement)
006 #---9 Lowell Goudge (not just the crippled K mount ... flash system)
007 #like NaHoruk (+ #--13, great little feature)
008 #--14 paulh (cites 9 -> +1 to this)
009 #--17 kcobain1992 (I'm in)
010 #--18 Not a Number (I'm for this)
011 #--22 JoostW (I endorse a petition)
012 #--23 Tanzer (I'm all for it)
013 #--25 kaiserz (Awesome! I would love that on my next DSLR!)
014 #--27 kenyee (doesn't seem like a hard thing to add)
015 #--30 architorture (Please yes!continuing to develop full frame technologies)
016 #--31 geojazz (DE CRIPPLE THE K MOUNT!!!! )
017 #--32 LFLee (I'm in.)
018 #--33 Mattco26 (I'm all for this, #--85: Nikon does it for their "hobbyists" so why not Pentax?)
019 #--34 GabrielFFontes (Of course! De-cripple it, please)
020 #--35 jeffshaddix (+1 de-cripple it!)
021 #--36 wcchamp18 (+2 de-cripple it!)
022 #--37 Carloz (+1 for de-cripple - Nikon cares enough to maintain an uncrippled mount)
023 #--38 foto guy (+1 for de-crippling.)
024 #--41 Designosophy (This would make life with K and M type lenses so much easier. Why did they remove this capability in the first place)
025 #--43 TomTextura (great it would be to use any of the current FA lenses with aperture rings)
026 #--45 Canada_Rockies (Count me in for the de-crippled mount, and even more so for TTL)
027 #--48 Compur (Count me in.)
028 #--49 Grigoris (I'm also in)
029 #--50 DimitryMD (+1 from me)
030 #--51 aurele (Pentax could do the same : uncripple the mount)
031 #like french_mike (+ #--52, +1)
032 #--53 Warpig (I'm in too)
033 #--54 wisent (count me in)
034 #--55 Macario (De-crippeling the K-mount)
035 #--62 ossy59 (Please Pentax, uncripple the K-mount. It´s only a few Cent or Dollars, and will help us (old) Pentaxians a lot. For me the uncrippled K-mount is more interesting than a FF-DSLR!)
036 #--63 mattiag (Please Pentax-Ricoh de-cripple the K-mount! This can be one of the most important new features in the upcoming cameras, more than FF.)
037 #--64 GibbyTheMole (Yep... I'm for de-crippling the mount.)
038 #--65 Mace (I am also pro a de-crippled K-mount.)
039 #--67 Designosophy (Sounds good to me.)
040 #--68 paulusje (And to me.)
041 #--70 drougge (Yes please, uncrippled mount!)
042 #--72 theperception2008 (I would like to have a non-crippled k-mount!)
043 #--76 Echo Eric (There should be no reason why a new top of the line SLR cant preform as my 30 year old K1000 can.)
044 #--78 geofferiah (I will only buy a Pentax FF if it comes with an un-crippled K mount.)
045 #--86 Quicksand (An uncrippled mount would be pretty good)
046 #--95 TaoMaas (I see uncrippling the k-mount as simply a way to make one of Pentax's biggest selling points even better.)
047 #-107 iht (It'd be nice to take pictures with a de-crippled mount)
048 #-115 BigDave (+1 for de-cripling the K mount)
049 #+dfn fibbo
050 #+dfn zackspeed (-> send this list to Mr. Shiro Kondo)
051 #+dfn gianni
052 #like southlander (+ #-119, Yes please, decripple the K mount.)
053 #+dfn TaxPen
054 #like feverbeaver (add me to the list)
055 #like adrianpglover (Add me to the list! Full manual mode only is not sufficient backward compatibility!)
056 #-125 V'cuz (Add me to the De-cripple the K-mount petition.)
057 #-126 riff (Yes a decrippled k mount is something I want badly!)
058 #-127 yyyzzz (Count me in.)
059 #like tromboads (+ #-128, +1 over here too!)
060 #p--9 Fogel70 (I voted for Uncrippled K mount for M and K series lenses)
061 #p-12 baro-nite (I maxed my votes for K-mount continuation and uncrippled K-mount.)
062 #p-39 befocus (Uncrippled K mount)
063 #p-54 Digitalis (a non-crippled KAF-mount)
064 #p110 stanislav (I would actually like non crippled K mount)
065 #like eddie1960 (liked #---1)
066 #like hjb981 (+ #-134, liked #-123, Very good initiative!!!)
067 #Bdfn ergoden (Blesator -> will ich auch ... möchte ... Blendenring verwenden können)
068 #Bdfn wema02
069 #-131 Kreepax (Add my vote)
070 #-133 Yamagi (a de-crippled mount would be wonderful)
071 #Bdfn ice-dragon
072 #Bdfn Al
073 #Bdfn Arnold (I want the aperture simulator back!)
074 #-137 regentag (I would buy a new Body just for that feature)
075 #like vrrattko (liked #---1, decrippled K mount is a lovely idea)
076 #Bdfn Lefty de Vito (Somit bin ich für den Blesator)
077 #Bdfn Juan
078 #Bdfn derstefan
079 #Bdfn klaus123
080 #Bdfn PINSELHUT
081 #Bdfn Normag 1
082 #Bdfn UndKlick
083 #Bdfn cola (Der Blendensimulator und KB Format würden mich zum Kauf einer PENTAX DSLR bringen)
084 #Bdfn bmk
085 #Bdfn Rauti2
086 #-dfn ErnstK (PM: möchte ich deine 'Petition' ... gern unterstützen)
087 #-139 networker
088 #Bdfn Austro-Diesel (Wär schon schön, fände ich nützlicher als 24x36 mm ...)
089 #Bdfn Orangefield
090 #Bdfn bmu
091 #-141 fs999 (need it for my bellows)
092 #-142 agchang (Pentax has proudly marketed the fact of backward lens compatibility with all slr/dslr cameras and should do so fully in all feature aspects)
093 #-144 Spodeworld (+1! Yes! I love this feature on my D7000 ! Add it to Pentax!)
094 #-145 perron
095 #Bdfn wolfi_z (a great improvement on the issue of backward compatibility)
096 #Bdfn boxer-harry
097 #Bdfn einherzfuerknipser
098 #Bdfn Ramashang
099 #Bdfn AES
100 #Bdfn Yogibaer.bln
101 #Bdfn 1a rabenvater
102 #Bdfn Teevogel
103 #Bdfn penlei (ein Traum könnte in Erfüllung gehen)
104 #Bdfn BerndS67
105 #Bdfn paul
106 #-151 carrrlangas (yes please!)
107 #-152 tlong423 (I would love to see Pentax de-cripple the K mount.)
108 #-153 JorgeR (Yes, please)
109 #-156 jt_cph_dk (Yes. I would like a de-crippled Pentax DSLR)
110 #like UliBär (+ #-157, I vote definitely YES!)
111 #Bdfn learza
112 #-163 iDon (I would definitely buy a de-crippled Pentax DSLR)
113 #-167 Pioneer (I would like to have the K-Mount on my dslr to work the way it does on my PZ-1p. That should not be that difficult to do.)
114 #like Nass (liked #---1)
115 #Bdfn HKMKonz
116 #Bdfn Hasenvater
117 #-170 Roob-N-Boots (Count me in.)
118 #-171 Davidw0815 (Open aperture metering with old lenses would be fantastic!)
119 #Bdfn Eisbär
120 #-179 MysteryOnion (De-cripple it!)
121 #-184 bobpur (Just not acceptable that Pentax has not included this on the K5s after all they advertise the compatibility with the older lenses. If Nikon can do it Pentax should.)
122 #-187 Digitalis (you can count me in. Pentax didn't cripple the mount with the 645D)
123 #-188 Jonathan Mac (I'd love a de-crippled K-mount and yes, it's a feature I would be prepared to pay for.)
124 #-190 topace (let me use my aperture rings the way they were meant to be used, please.)
125 #-191 henrx (Positive)
126 #-192 codeblock (+1, count me in.)
127 #-193 pixelsaurus (+1. Seems like a good idea.)
128 #-194 Gerbermiester (+1. Decripple the K-mount!)
129 #-195 _quicksilver_ (+1 De-cripple it -Now!!)
130 #Bdfn Master of Disaster (Also bin ich dabei!)
131 #Bdfn manolo (Als leidenschaftlicher Altgerätenutzer schließe ich mich natürlich an.)
132 #Bdfn pid (Mich auch!)
133 #-197 dlacouture (I'm in)
134 #-198 MiLKMAN (Count me in)
135 #Bdfn henne (Please give me back the freedom to fully use all the Pentax lenses I've been buying since 1980!)
136 #Bdfn waldbaer59
137 #Bdfn tatrei
138 #-202 obscura (if one of your main selling points is great backward lens compatibility, why the hell do you cripple it ?)
139 #-203 Lupine (so count me in as well, for both de-crippling the K-mount and restoring TTL)
140 #-204 Stratman (I'm in too!!)
141 #-206 gabriel_bc (I've long, long wished that Pentax would de-cripple the K mount. I would buy a new Pentax dSLR merely to have this feature.)
142 #-208 bofh (I'd like to have a full featured KAF2 mount)
143 #-210 lguckert79 (i would love to be able to meter and have controle of my apture ring again)
144 #-214 glasbak (Yes, I want a decrippled mount)
145 #-217 zokes83 (+1 Yes I want a De-crippled K-mount with a aperture ring coupler!)
146 #-220 geedee (A De-crippled K-Mount with a aperture ring coupler would be great! Let's hope Pentax reacts as they have announced.)
147 #like Katier (liked #---1)
148 #Bdfn africanarcher
149 #Bdfn Schellnsau
150 #Bdfn Alfix
151 #-233 tcom (+1, please add me on this list)
152 #-Moderator Bramela (+ #-294, the Pentax consumer wishes to be heard on this issue)
153 #Bdfn blaubaersurfen
154 #Bdfn AS
155 #-235 utak (Yes, please count me in: de-cripple.)
156 #Bdfn Thomasz Xatnep (You can count me in. For a full-frame Pentax this would be mandatory)
157 #-236 Transit (Yes please !)
158 #-237 stingray (Count me in, yes the old fashion way.)
159 #-238 Pentaxle (Very much in favor, heal the system.)
160 #-239 grahame (Pentax should have done that much earlier! Or it shouldn't have been crippled at the beginning!)
161 #-241 floriko
162 #-242 p38arover
163 #-245 Bukaj (Shooting with [...] film cameras with non-crippled mounts makes me wish Pentax de-crippled the mount on current DSLRs)
164 #-249 LaurenOE
165 #-250 rockmaster1964
166 #Bdfn reisschuessel
167 #Bdfn Heribert
168 #Bdfn JGS
169 #-253 kadajawi (if they added the feature for the next camera I'd have to buy a new camera... again!)
170 #-255 TedH42 (using the green button is disruptive, especially for hand-held macro shots)
171 #-256 torge (Yes Ricoh, please do it!)
172 #-257 gilsouthwood (where the hell is the aperture ring, I'm all for this)
173 #Bdfn knixhh
174 #-267 retroflex (Yes to de-crippling!)
175 #-270 deus ursus (I'm all for de-crippling)
176 #-271 hopsing
177 #like cali92rs (Yes! + #-272)
178 #like SpartanD63
179 #Bdfn Uliwin
180 #-276 vkaro45 (I vote to de-criple the k-mount)
181 #-277 TomB_tx (Wish they would. If Nikon can keep compatibility, so could Pentax.)
182 #-279 JohnBee (Count me in!)
183 #-284 mrNewt (Please count my vote)
184 #-285 Shell650
185 #like jcdoss (+ #-286,+1!)
186 #-287 matakacha (Count me in.)
187 #-288 Dmitriy (I vote for de-crippled full K-mount (with the stop-down coupler/indicator))
188 #-289 VisualDarkness (I'm in too! Pentax would have the best mechanical DSLR mount!)
189 #-291 Pedrodelta (+1 from me too....)
190 #Bdfn Sirius
191 #-293 strixaluco (Add my voice, please.)
192 #-295 chhayanat (Vote for K-mount)
193 #-296 minahasa (I'm in. My old glass needs more respect.)
194 #-297 kevbirder (I would definitely like an uncrippled mount.)
195 #-298 robdewall7 (+1 for me)
196 #-299 filoxophy (I'm in for a decrippled K-Mount)
197 #like drache (Yes please start being awesome again.)
198 #-301 Mr Manual (What a great idea. Might we one day see a FF de-crippled K-mount.)
199 #-303 mattt (Add my name.)
200 #-304 macTak (I would love to see this as well.)
201 #Bdfn Thomas W. [Heidelberg]
202 #Bdfn Dimitris E. [Athen]
203 #Bdfn Thomas F. [München]
204 #Bdfn Michele S. [München]
205 #Bdfn sixtyeight
206 #-306 PPPPPP42 (I wouldn't even bother with Pentax if not for backwards compatibility so this is kinda a big deal)
207 #-307 GordonD (A Full Frame DSLR needs De-Crippled mount!)
208 #-308 Gray (Yes! The cripped K-mount severely weakens Pentax's claim to K-mount backward compatibility. Now imagine how compelling a FF dSLR with uncrippled KAF2 mount will be to owners of 35mm classic lenses)
209 #Bdfn Macshark
210 #-312 g.a.p
211 #-313 Petor
212 #-314 Saxplayer1004 (sign me up. hopefully it comes out on the next round of bodies... )
213 #-316 Billgscott (Yes please!)
214 #-317 Mazhe (Sign me up. Let the sun shine on K and M series as they deserve)
215 #like tzrenz0 (this will send the backwards compatibility of pentax to new heights)
216 #like tx0h
217 #-318 sphenodont (The legacy lenses are supposed to be a selling point, so why not fully embrace them? )
218 #-319 pentaxdevotee (please d-cripple)
219 #-321 indy (Pentax needs to de-cripple and go beyond.)
220 #-323 Guakala (De-cripple it now!)
221 #like BigJPR (it sounds like common sense to me!!!)
222 #-325 apathey2131978
223 #-328 deaning (Pentax, listen to the people! )
224 #-329 Belgarchi (Pentax, I want to be able to use my aperture rings!)
225 #-330 Pepe Le Pew (Sign me up Scotty )
226 #-332 Nuff
227 #like stens (liked #---1)
228 #-333 Corto-PA (Signed.)
229 #-334 Pontax
230 #-335 iveous (I would LOVE that feature)
231 #-336 OJGoreng (The crippled mount is the only thing about the K5 I really, really don't like.)
232 #-337 kiwi_jono (I'm in - I would love to see a decrippled mount too.)
233 #-338 kristaps
234 #-341 Brisboy (Decripple please)
235 #-342 Boris_Akunin (Thou shalt not sell crippled cameras!)
236 #-343 todd (i'm in!)
237 #Bdfn Tilla
238 #-345 camerons
239 #-347 Atlantis (this would be a small dream come true)
240 #-348 Johnson (Do away with the minor cost saving Crippled-K)
241 #-349 joergens.mi (would be happy to have this)
242 #Bdfn jedie
243 #-352 Nacho_tyr (+1, from chile)
244 #-353 dominique
245 #-354 tim60 (This would help all users who want to do more sophisticated work, with any series of lenses.)
246 #-355 Quinquen (+1 from Chile, South America)
247 #rice RiceHigh (I have requested this for years now)
248 #-357 tzrenz0 (i'd love to see this on the next offering)
249 #-358 rparmar (one of the main reasons i migrated from pentax to mft. It was a continuous frustration.)
250 #-359 krazykat
251 #Bdfn b.petit
252 #-361 Stephen Coe (I have been wanting this for years.)
253 #-363 Heliotrope (this meager addition would increase the absolute value of
254 #Bdfn Haebbie
255 #-366 SyncGuy
256 #like OldPentaxFan
257 #-368 Sangosto (Yes, we can.)
258 #-369 jbinpg
259 #-370 astraeus19 (Pentax really needs to tout the fact that you can use all old lenses, and make that as easy as possible if they want to sell more bodies under current conditions.)
260 #-371 Heisenberg (I bought my K-5 under the pretense that it was compatible with older lenses, and was very dissapointed to see that there was this major limitation.)
261 #-376 Odinz (My old mechanical low-tech camera bodies can do this without a problem, Please.....De-Cripple the K-Mount!! )
262 #-377 Hornet
263 #-378 Old Man
264 #-379 pento57mm (tired of overriding via body settings)
265 #-380 insulinguy
266 #like lectrolink
267 #like Kmounter (What do we want? Un-cripple the K-mount! When do we want it? NOW!)
268 #-385 nater (I [...] considered creating an online petition for this)
269 #-387 LSR (Please sign me up too.)
270 #like ElleGi53
271 #like valarie (Im In, so many great lenses, that are a bitch to use on the new mount!)
272 #-392 bmf
273 #-395 Fluke
274 #-397 raulmercado

(#+dfn: Blesator and Nikon; #Bdfn: Petition #p---: poll)

Please add your positive vote at the end of the thread.

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A printed version of this thread was given to the Pentax representatives at CP+.
The journalist of pentaxforums.com also included a brief paragraph about it and explained it verbally.
Unfortunately, they did not want to comment on it.
There was also no chance to chat with them after the interview.
So, communication still seems to be based on "transfer and pray".
Hopefully, they will take our feedback to heart.

I don't want to disturb sentimental feelings here, but I would prefer forward looking features for future Pentax cameras rather than looking back. Pentax is neither making nor keeping money or customer base by keeping the classic K-mount.

Reversing the argumentation actually means that a bunch of people here want to work with old outdated glass, not willing to invest in new technology, but requesting features for new Pentax cameras.

[Nicolas06]

I don't want to disturb sentimental feelings here, but I would prefer forward looking features for future Pentax cameras rather than looking back. Pentax is neither making nor keeping money or customer base by keeping the classic K-mount.

Reversing the argumentation actually means that a bunch of people here want to work with old outdated glass, not willing to invest in new technology, but requesting features for new Pentax cameras.

So just don't vote and express your opinion like you did No issue.

[LensBeginner]

I don't want to disturb sentimental feelings here, but I would prefer forward looking features for future Pentax cameras rather than looking back. Pentax is neither making nor keeping money or customer base by keeping the classic K-mount.

Reversing the argumentation actually means that a bunch of people here want to work with old outdated glass, not willing to invest in new technology, but requesting features for new Pentax cameras.

If it works, it's not "looking back", it's "choosing the right tool" for the task.

It's not "outdated", it's just old.
We are not a bank/fund/whatever and we don't "invest". I take pictures for pleasure and get no money for it.
This is a new feature, and one that should always have been there at that.
Buying a new Pentax camera with a new feature actually is "investing" in new technology.
If you have all those bags of money lying around and can afford buying a whole lot of new things just to finance Ricoh, then good for you (and for the company).
I personally don't, and find that requesting something in a polite way is in my rights; while they have the right to do as they please.
I don't like being called a cheapskate (between the lines, that's what you're saying) because of that.

Edit: as per the netiquette, no need to quote a page-long message, just snip it.

[edri]

There are plenty of old lenses, "old outdated glass" (as you call them) that allow the photographer much more creativity than modern lenses. These modern lenses are optimized to be sharp, sharp, sharp, to be as fast and quiet AF, to be ... but lack the poetry of some old lenses. One of the reasons that many passionate photographers are with the Pentax DSLR system is because the people from Pentax promised that any DSLR will be compatible with older Pentax lenses. So what's wrong with this compatibility to be as good at the same time as the development of new technologies.

I want a de-cripple the K-mount! If such a device appears I will buy even if I had no reason to upgrade from what I have now.

[zekewhipper]

Nikon cares!

Sure they do. That is why they have made it impossible for their F-mount body-driven AF lenses to autofocus on their newer lower level bodies that require lens-driven AF lenses.

[Merts]

I don't want to disturb sentimental feelings here, but I would prefer forward looking features for future Pentax cameras rather than looking back. Pentax is neither making nor keeping money or customer base by keeping the classic K-mount.

Reversing the argumentation actually means that a bunch of people here want to work with old outdated glass, not willing to invest in new technology, but requesting features for new Pentax cameras.

I have no idea what point you were trying to make by quoting that very long list of voters?


I'm also struggling to find a valid point in your comments above. Wanting older lenses (which many of us have) to work properly (as originally intended) on our modern DSLR bodies has nothing to do with 'sentimental feelings'. It is simply a wish to have some functionality which really should always have been included in the current K mount.


As others have commented, describing old lenses as 'outdated glass' is a pretty strange thing to say. They are old, not outdated. They work very well on current Pentax DSLRs, and would simply be easier to use if the aperture feeler was incorporated into the mount, exactly as it was in all of the K-mount film cameras. My SMC Pentax 50mm F1.2 lens is far and away the sharpest of all my lenses. Describing it as outdated is ridiculous.

[Volker76]

Sure they do. That is why they have made it impossible for their F-mount body-driven AF lenses to autofocus on their newer lower level bodies that require lens-driven AF lenses.

Nikon cares so much, when people had problems with oil on their sensors Nikon waited patiently until the warranty periods were over and then released a new and improved camera!
Nikon cares so much, when people had problems with an overheating flash unit, Nikon waited patiently until the warranty periods were over and then released a new and improved flash!

[Nicolas06]

Nikon cares so much, when people had problems with oil on their sensors Nikon waited patiently until the warranty periods were over and then released a new and improved camera!
Nikon cares so much, when people had problems with an overheating flash unit, Nikon waited patiently until the warranty periods were over and then released a new and improved flash!

And what Pentax did for SDM? Pentax is not perfect neither. But this is very irrelevant.

What is relevant is many users want a feature and ask for it. Some may not care and they also say it. This is what is interresting from this thread. And the couting numbers are not that bad.