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09-27-2012, 10:06 AM   #121
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I appreciate the effort to collect posts here, but I think we would have to set up an external poll (there are websites that allow that), since a lot of people might like to see an uncrippled K mount, even people who are not on this forum (even people who switched to other brands, for example)

09-27-2012, 10:24 AM   #122
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QuoteOriginally posted by Lowell Goudge Quote
I would argue more accurate metering.

To do this would require not only an uncrippeled mount but also inputting lens maximum aperture.
As I already said in the post you quoted, yes.

I also said it would be easy to modify a K or M lens to tell the camera automatically. (Except for f/1.2 lenses, if you want to be picky about it.) Newer lenses of course would work automatically.
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xxx #xxxx xxx
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001 #---1 froeschle
002 #like Alfie (+ --24: Count my vote!)
003 #like tibi
004 #---4 Aegon (old lenses more useful)
005 #---8 Docrwm (would be nice ... improvement)
006 #---9 Lowell Goudge (not just the crippled K mount ... flash system)
007 #like NaHoruk (+ --13, great little feature)
008 #--14 paulh (cites 9 -> +1 to this)
009 #--17 kcobain1992 (I'm in)
010 #--18 Not a Number (I'm for this)
011 #--22 JoostW (I endorse a petition)
012 #--23 Tanzer (I'm all for it)
013 #--25 kaiserz (Awesome! I would love that on my next DSLR!)
014 #--27 kenyee (doesn't seem like a hard thing to add)
015 #--30 architorture (Please yes!continuing to develop full frame technologies)
016 #--31 geojazz (DE CRIPPLE THE K MOUNT!!!! )
017 #--32 LFLee (I'm in.)
018 #--33 Mattco26 (I'm all for this, #--85: Nikon does it for their "hobbyists" so why not Pentax?)
019 #--34 GabrielFFontes (Of course! De-cripple it, please)
020 #--35 jeffshaddix (+1 de-cripple it!)
021 #--36 wcchamp18 (+2 de-cripple it!)
022 #--37 Carloz (+1 for de-cripple - Nikon cares enough to maintain an uncrippled mount)
023 #--38 foto guy (+1 for de-crippling.)
024 #--41 Designosophy (This would make life with K and M type lenses so much easier. Why did they remove this capability in the first place)
025 #--43 TomTextura (great it would be to use any of the current FA lenses with aperture rings)
026 #--45 Canada_Rockies (Count me in for the de-crippled mount, and even more so for TTL)
027 #--48 Compur (Count me in.)
028 #--49 Grigoris (I'm also in)
029 #--50 DimitryMD (+1 from me)
030 #--51 aurele (Pentax could do the same : uncripple the mount)
031 #like french_mike (+ #--52, +1)
032 #--53 Warpig (I'm in too)
033 #--54 wisent (count me in)
034 #--55 Macario (De-crippeling the K-mount)
035 #--62 ossy59 (Please Pentax, uncripple the K-mount. It´s only a few Cent or Dollars, and will help us (old) Pentaxians a lot. For me the uncrippled K-mount is more interesting than a FF-DSLR!)
036 #--63 mattiag (Please Pentax-Ricoh de-cripple the K-mount! This can be one of the most important new features in the upcoming cameras, more than FF.)
037 #--64 GibbyTheMole (Yep... I'm for de-crippling the mount.)
038 #--65 Mace (I am also pro a de-crippled K-mount.)
039 #--67 Designosophy (Sounds good to me.)
040 #--68 paulusje (And to me.)
041 #--70 drougge (Yes please, uncrippled mount!)
042 #--72 theperception2008 (I would like to have a non-crippled k-mount!)
043 #--76 Echo Eric (There should be no reason why a new top of the line SLR cant preform as my 30 year old K1000 can.)
044 #--78 geofferiah (I will only buy a Pentax FF if it comes with an un-crippled K mount.)
045 #--86 Quicksand (An uncrippled mount would be pretty good)
046 #--95 TaoMaas (I see uncrippling the k-mount as simply a way to make one of Pentax's biggest selling points even better.)
047 #-107 iht (It'd be nice to take pictures with a de-crippled mount)
048 #-115 BigDave (+1 for de-cripling the K mount)
049 #+dfn fibbo
050 #+dfn zackspeed (-> send this list to Mr. Shiro Kondo)
051 #+dfn gianni
052 #like southlander (+ #-119, Yes please, decripple the K mount.)
053 #+dfn TaxPen
054 #like feverbeaver (add me to the list)
055 #like adrianpglover (Add me to the list! Full manual mode only is not sufficient backward compatibility!)

(#+dfn: Blesator and Nikon vs. Pentax)

Please correct the collected data and add your positive vote to the list if you wish.
09-27-2012, 12:14 PM   #124
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QuoteQuote:
I appreciate the effort to collect posts here, but I think we would have to set up an external poll (there are websites that allow that), since a lot of people might like to see an uncrippled K mount, even people who are not on this forum (even people who switched to other brands, for example)
An external poll surely could give more votes. However, in dedicated forums like this (USA/international) or in dfn (Germany) the opinion of the enthusiast real Pentax user base is imho collected in a more appropriate way. Any help, however, is appreciated .


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09-27-2012, 01:37 PM   #125
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Add me to the De-cripple the K-mount petition.
09-27-2012, 08:35 PM   #126
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Yes a decrippled k mount is something I want badly!
09-27-2012, 10:31 PM   #127
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ME too!

Count me in. I have many Ks.
09-27-2012, 10:34 PM   #128
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+1 over here too! How nice it would be. Ahhhhhh

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While I would like to see a decrippled mount, I am not sure it makes sense economically. You have to add increased mechanical complexity which might not be justified.

That said, I don't quite understand how the crippled mount works and why it can't work better. Currently we have a situation, that when shooting with K or M lenses you get have 3 options:
1) M (and its variants B and X), and set everything manually
2) M and use the green button, which amounts to manual aperture, manual ISO, auto shutterspeed, that is, it works like Av with manual ISO
3) so-called "Av", which actually limits you to wide-open aperture, auto shutter, manual ISO.

Why can't the green button provide us with manual aperture, manual shutter, auto ISO (a TAv variant of #2)? Or even manual aperture, auto shutter, auto iso (a Av-autoISO variant of #2)?

In particular I would love to see TAv with M lenses: set your aperture (using the ring), set your shutterspeed, hit green button, camera sets ISO for you.

So, my vote goes to a better use of the crippled mount.
09-28-2012, 01:26 AM   #130
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Clinton gave me a link to his closed poll, in which 89(/27/14) persons voted for an uncrippled K mount. I have decided not just to add these anonymous votes. So, I only appended the supporters, which stated likewise in the corresponding thread (#p---) and were not yet present in the list (060-064).

xxx #xxxx xxx
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001 #---1 froeschle
002 #like Alfie (+ --24: Count my vote!)
003 #like tibi
004 #---4 Aegon (old lenses more useful)
005 #---8 Docrwm (would be nice ... improvement)
006 #---9 Lowell Goudge (not just the crippled K mount ... flash system)
007 #like NaHoruk (+ --13, great little feature)
008 #--14 paulh (cites 9 -> +1 to this)
009 #--17 kcobain1992 (I'm in)
010 #--18 Not a Number (I'm for this)
011 #--22 JoostW (I endorse a petition)
012 #--23 Tanzer (I'm all for it)
013 #--25 kaiserz (Awesome! I would love that on my next DSLR!)
014 #--27 kenyee (doesn't seem like a hard thing to add)
015 #--30 architorture (Please yes!continuing to develop full frame technologies)
016 #--31 geojazz (DE CRIPPLE THE K MOUNT!!!! )
017 #--32 LFLee (I'm in.)
018 #--33 Mattco26 (I'm all for this, #--85: Nikon does it for their "hobbyists" so why not Pentax?)
019 #--34 GabrielFFontes (Of course! De-cripple it, please)
020 #--35 jeffshaddix (+1 de-cripple it!)
021 #--36 wcchamp18 (+2 de-cripple it!)
022 #--37 Carloz (+1 for de-cripple - Nikon cares enough to maintain an uncrippled mount)
023 #--38 foto guy (+1 for de-crippling.)
024 #--41 Designosophy (This would make life with K and M type lenses so much easier. Why did they remove this capability in the first place)
025 #--43 TomTextura (great it would be to use any of the current FA lenses with aperture rings)
026 #--45 Canada_Rockies (Count me in for the de-crippled mount, and even more so for TTL)
027 #--48 Compur (Count me in.)
028 #--49 Grigoris (I'm also in)
029 #--50 DimitryMD (+1 from me)
030 #--51 aurele (Pentax could do the same : uncripple the mount)
031 #like french_mike (+ #--52, +1)
032 #--53 Warpig (I'm in too)
033 #--54 wisent (count me in)
034 #--55 Macario (De-crippeling the K-mount)
035 #--62 ossy59 (Please Pentax, uncripple the K-mount. It´s only a few Cent or Dollars, and will help us (old) Pentaxians a lot. For me the uncrippled K-mount is more interesting than a FF-DSLR!)
036 #--63 mattiag (Please Pentax-Ricoh de-cripple the K-mount! This can be one of the most important new features in the upcoming cameras, more than FF.)
037 #--64 GibbyTheMole (Yep... I'm for de-crippling the mount.)
038 #--65 Mace (I am also pro a de-crippled K-mount.)
039 #--67 Designosophy (Sounds good to me.)
040 #--68 paulusje (And to me.)
041 #--70 drougge (Yes please, uncrippled mount!)
042 #--72 theperception2008 (I would like to have a non-crippled k-mount!)
043 #--76 Echo Eric (There should be no reason why a new top of the line SLR cant preform as my 30 year old K1000 can.)
044 #--78 geofferiah (I will only buy a Pentax FF if it comes with an un-crippled K mount.)
045 #--86 Quicksand (An uncrippled mount would be pretty good)
046 #--95 TaoMaas (I see uncrippling the k-mount as simply a way to make one of Pentax's biggest selling points even better.)
047 #-107 iht (It'd be nice to take pictures with a de-crippled mount)
048 #-115 BigDave (+1 for de-cripling the K mount)
049 #+dfn fibbo
050 #+dfn zackspeed (-> send this list to Mr. Shiro Kondo)
051 #+dfn gianni
052 #like southlander (+ #-119, Yes please, decripple the K mount.)
053 #+dfn TaxPen
054 #like feverbeaver (add me to the list)
055 #like adrianpglover (Add me to the list! Full manual mode only is not sufficient backward compatibility!)
056 #-125 V'cuz (Add me to the De-cripple the K-mount petition.)
057 #-126 riff (Yes a decrippled k mount is something I want badly!)
058 #-127 yyyzzz (Count me in.)
059 #like tromboads (+ #-128, +1 over here too!)
060 #p--9 Fogel70 (I voted for Uncrippled K mount for M and K series lenses)
061 #p-12 baro-nite (I maxed my votes for K-mount continuation and uncrippled K-mount.)
062 #p-39 befocus (Uncrippled K mount)
063 #p-54 Digitalis (a non-crippled KAF-mount)
064 #p110 stanislav (I would actually like non crippled K mount)
065 #like eddie1960 (liked #---1)
066 #like hjb981 (liked #-123, Very good initiative!!!)
067 #Bdfn ergoden (Blesator -> will ich auch ... möchte ... Blendenring verwenden können)
068 #Bdfn wema02

(#+dfn: Blesator and Nikon; #Bdfn: Petition #p---: poll)

Please correct the collected data and add your positive vote to the list if you wish:

069 #-1xx xxx (xxx)

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09-28-2012, 06:55 AM   #131
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I love my old prime lenses! Add my vote for de-crippled please
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09-28-2012, 07:39 AM   #133
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Me I've got some old K lenses and a de-crippled mount would be wonderfull.
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I have an old M50/1.7 and an old M135/2.5, and I would really like to be able to use them smoothly with the aperture ring instead of having to stop-down meter. Therefore, I add my vote to the list of people who would really appreciate a de-crippled K-mount. I noticed that I am already in the list in the form of a like, so I am unsure if I should be added again. Actually, what I liked was the initiative to make a list that summarized all of the opinions, making it easier for anyone wanting to see the results quickly to do so. Therefore, the like was not a vote for a de-crippled K-mount, however this post is. I meant to make the post where I added myself to the list earlier (right after liking the initiative of making a list), but something came up unexpectedly and I had to run. Maybe my vote should be changed to link to this post rather than the like.
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QuoteOriginally posted by drougge Quote
As I already said in the post you quoted, yes.

I also said it would be easy to modify a K or M lens to tell the camera automatically. (Except for f/1.2 lenses, if you want to be picky about it.) Newer lenses of course would work automatically.
but to do this, you are into either drilling or painting the aperture coding onto the lens as well as needing to modify the camera software so that it does not need to "see" the A pin to know a lens is attached.

It becomes messy and if you go to that length, an input of max aperture is actually better because you are not limited to the aperture range of the mount.
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