filling up the gap between k20d and future fullframe

hansenn · 09-26-2012, 01:33 AM

As I am still thinking pentax will come with a fullframe in the near future, but not too soon, I am in doubt now.
I have my k20d for three years now, and I want a moderner camera with a better sensor and more quality at higher ISO. I dont want to spend too much.
With a bit of luck I can find a used k5 for around €500. A new one costs €735. But a new k30 is €100 cheaper.
Although the price range between them is not that much, but every €100 I save on the body I can spend on glass.

I checked the comparision between both cameras. In favor for the k5 is the ISO 80.
In favor for the k30 are the more video modes (if I am right).

What about the lesser color depth of the k30 in RAW? Is it important cq visible?

I do mostly stock, so sharpness with no noise is very important. I also do most of my photography without a tripod.
With my k20 i always had problems when the days get shorter, on cloudy days, but still needed to shoot on 100ISO.

Who can help me? Give me some good advise.

i83N · 09-26-2012, 01:45 AM

Save your money for couple months more and get yourself K-5IIs

hansenn · 09-26-2012, 01:55 AM

that's no option. I better save my money for a fullframe.
What if I buy a k5 IIs for €1300 and shortly after that a fullframe will be announced for €2000+.

i83N · 09-26-2012, 02:10 AM

FF won't happen soon(if ever happens), K-5IIs will cost less in couple months(if there won't happen earthquake or some other disaster in japan). If you used to K20D you won't like plastic feel of K30 and K5 is dated. Updating from K20D to K5 is just one step jumping not two if you update to K-5IIs. With technology is always smarter to get new hotness that will last morally longer.

gtl · 09-26-2012, 02:11 AM

Take the K30 then. It has better AF and is cheaper than the K5. Viewfinder is same size as the K5. Unless you need the 2nd LCD or the mag alloy build, though I am pretty sure the K30 is sufficient.

hansenn · 09-26-2012, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by i83N

FF won't happen soon(if ever happens),

I still believe

i83N · 09-26-2012, 02:26 AM

Originally posted by hansenn

I still believe

AKA pie in the sky

hansenn · 09-26-2012, 02:39 AM

Originally posted by i83N

AKA pie in the sky

You shoot with a k5. What do you like most of that camera? And what model did you shoot with before your k5?

RonHendriks1966 · 09-26-2012, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by hansenn

As I am still thinking pentax will come with a fullframe in the near future, but not too soon, I am in doubt now.
I have my k20d for three years now, and I want a moderner camera with a better sensor and more quality at higher ISO. I dont want to spend too much.
With a bit of luck I can find a used k5 for around €500. A new one costs €735. But a new k30 is €100 cheaper.
Although the price range between them is not that much, but every €100 I save on the body I can spend on glass.

I checked the comparision between both cameras. In favor for the k5 is the ISO 80.
In favor for the k30 are the more video modes (if I am right).

What about the lesser color depth of the k30 in RAW? Is it important cq visible?

I do mostly stock, so sharpness with no noise is very important. I also do most of my photography without a tripod.
With my k20 i always had problems when the days get shorter, on cloudy days, but still needed to shoot on 100ISO.

Who can help me? Give me some good advise.

Well K-30 599 euro and I think that is a fine camera. A K-5 used in some weeks for 500 euro I guess (since I'm probably not the only one upgrading to K-5II.

I also have K-01 wich has the same image quality as K-30 and while you miss some things compared to K-5 (lowlight and hilight savings in 14-bit raw) you will improve hugely on IQ compared to K20D.

i83N · 09-26-2012, 03:07 AM

Originally posted by hansenn

You shoot with a k5. What do you like most of that camera? And what model did you shoot with before your k5?

Started with *istDL > K20D > K5 got it month later after announcing(have spots but don't care)
I like metal feel of body, i like AF (not perfect), i like low nose on high ISO RAW, i love PEF file flexibility in post processing not like DNG, i like video IQ which is less compressed and has less noise in low light than K-01 and K30.
Would i switch to K-5IIs? Sure, just don't have money for it wright now so i'm getting Q10 red with a converter(i need digital telescope (((((((((: )

vonBaloney · 09-26-2012, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by i83N

i love PEF file flexibility in post processing not like DNG

What's the difference?

i83N · 09-26-2012, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by vonBaloney

What's the difference?

Huge, no in raw noise redaction, better colors.

Vylen · 09-26-2012, 03:31 AM

I'm in the same boat here... with my K20D that I bought in 2008... it's still a good camera, with shortcomings I can get around - but I do want more megapixels (good for cropping and macro work)... It would make sense to get a K-5IIs but Pentax could very well announce or show off something early next year... CP+ etc.... so I think I'll wait till then, which wouldn't be a bad idea - the K-5IIs might come down in price a bit.

In the meantime, I'm spending money on other gear

hansenn · 09-26-2012, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Well K-30 599 euro and I think that is a fine camera. A K-5 used in some weeks for 500 euro I guess (since I'm probably not the only one upgrading to K-5II.

I also have K-01 wich has the same image quality as K-30 and while you miss some things compared to K-5 (lowlight and hilight savings in 14-bit raw) you will improve hugely on IQ compared to K20D.

you mean you will sell your k5 silver for €500? How many clicks on it Ron.
BTW, your link to the k-30 offer doesnt work.

hansenn · 09-26-2012, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by i83N

Huge, no in raw noise redaction, better colors.

really? didn't know that.
What about compatibility with Lightroom/photoshop?

09-26-2012, 01:33 AM	#1
hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123	filling up the gap between k20d and future fullframe As I am still thinking pentax will come with a fullframe in the near future, but not too soon, I am in doubt now. I have my k20d for three years now, and I want a moderner camera with a better sensor and more quality at higher ISO. I dont want to spend too much. With a bit of luck I can find a used k5 for around €500. A new one costs €735. But a new k30 is €100 cheaper. Although the price range between them is not that much, but every €100 I save on the body I can spend on glass. I checked the comparision between both cameras. In favor for the k5 is the ISO 80. In favor for the k30 are the more video modes (if I am right). What about the lesser color depth of the k30 in RAW? Is it important cq visible? I do mostly stock, so sharpness with no noise is very important. I also do most of my photography without a tripod. With my k20 i always had problems when the days get shorter, on cloudy days, but still needed to shoot on 100ISO. Who can help me? Give me some good advise.

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09-26-2012, 01:45 AM	#2
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	Save your money for couple months more and get yourself K-5IIs

09-26-2012, 01:55 AM	#3
hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123 Original Poster	that's no option. I better save my money for a fullframe. What if I buy a k5 IIs for €1300 and shortly after that a fullframe will be announced for €2000+.

09-26-2012, 02:10 AM	#4
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	FF won't happen soon(if ever happens), K-5IIs will cost less in couple months(if there won't happen earthquake or some other disaster in japan). If you used to K20D you won't like plastic feel of K30 and K5 is dated. Updating from K20D to K5 is just one step jumping not two if you update to K-5IIs. With technology is always smarter to get new hotness that will last morally longer.

09-26-2012, 02:11 AM	#5
gtl Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 349	Take the K30 then. It has better AF and is cheaper than the K5. Viewfinder is same size as the K5. Unless you need the 2nd LCD or the mag alloy build, though I am pretty sure the K30 is sufficient.

09-26-2012, 02:20 AM	#6
hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123 Original Poster	Originally posted by i83N FF won't happen soon(if ever happens), I still believe

09-26-2012, 02:26 AM	#7
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	Originally posted by hansenn I still believe AKA pie in the sky

09-26-2012, 02:39 AM	#8
hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123 Original Poster	Originally posted by i83N AKA pie in the sky You shoot with a k5. What do you like most of that camera? And what model did you shoot with before your k5?

09-26-2012, 03:06 AM	#9
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by hansenn As I am still thinking pentax will come with a fullframe in the near future, but not too soon, I am in doubt now. I have my k20d for three years now, and I want a moderner camera with a better sensor and more quality at higher ISO. I dont want to spend too much. With a bit of luck I can find a used k5 for around €500. A new one costs €735. But a new k30 is €100 cheaper. Although the price range between them is not that much, but every €100 I save on the body I can spend on glass. I checked the comparision between both cameras. In favor for the k5 is the ISO 80. In favor for the k30 are the more video modes (if I am right). What about the lesser color depth of the k30 in RAW? Is it important cq visible? I do mostly stock, so sharpness with no noise is very important. I also do most of my photography without a tripod. With my k20 i always had problems when the days get shorter, on cloudy days, but still needed to shoot on 100ISO. Who can help me? Give me some good advise. Well K-30 599 euro and I think that is a fine camera. A K-5 used in some weeks for 500 euro I guess (since I'm probably not the only one upgrading to K-5II. I also have K-01 wich has the same image quality as K-30 and while you miss some things compared to K-5 (lowlight and hilight savings in 14-bit raw) you will improve hugely on IQ compared to K20D.

09-26-2012, 03:07 AM	#10
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	Originally posted by hansenn You shoot with a k5. What do you like most of that camera? And what model did you shoot with before your k5? Started with *istDL > K20D > K5 got it month later after announcing(have spots but don't care) I like metal feel of body, i like AF (not perfect), i like low nose on high ISO RAW, i love PEF file flexibility in post processing not like DNG, i like video IQ which is less compressed and has less noise in low light than K-01 and K30. Would i switch to K-5IIs? Sure, just don't have money for it wright now so i'm getting Q10 red with a converter(i need digital telescope (((((((((: )

09-26-2012, 03:08 AM	#11
vonBaloney Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 6,029	Originally posted by i83N i love PEF file flexibility in post processing not like DNG What's the difference?

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09-26-2012, 03:11 AM	#12
i83N Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Lithuania Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,203	Originally posted by vonBaloney What's the difference? Huge, no in raw noise redaction, better colors.

09-26-2012, 03:31 AM	#13
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	I'm in the same boat here... with my K20D that I bought in 2008... it's still a good camera, with shortcomings I can get around - but I do want more megapixels (good for cropping and macro work)... It would make sense to get a K-5IIs but Pentax could very well announce or show off something early next year... CP+ etc.... so I think I'll wait till then, which wouldn't be a bad idea - the K-5IIs might come down in price a bit. In the meantime, I'm spending money on other gear

09-26-2012, 03:44 AM	#14
hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123 Original Poster	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Well K-30 599 euro and I think that is a fine camera. A K-5 used in some weeks for 500 euro I guess (since I'm probably not the only one upgrading to K-5II. I also have K-01 wich has the same image quality as K-30 and while you miss some things compared to K-5 (lowlight and hilight savings in 14-bit raw) you will improve hugely on IQ compared to K20D. you mean you will sell your k5 silver for €500? How many clicks on it Ron. BTW, your link to the k-30 offer doesnt work.

09-26-2012, 03:50 AM	#15
hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123 Original Poster	Originally posted by i83N Huge, no in raw noise redaction, better colors. really? didn't know that. What about compatibility with Lightroom/photoshop?