K5IIs, is it worth the risk?

slip · 10-11-2012, 04:35 AM

Is it a wise choice to choose the S model and have moire on your shots? I tried some PP with Photoshop and lightroom 4, and it is very hard if not impossible to correct without a lot of PP like cloning.
The small amount of sharpness over the stand model, can't you sharpen in K5II in PS or lightroom and get the same results?

of course it is all opinions, but all are welcomed!

randy

manacho2005 · 10-11-2012, 04:55 AM

The K5IIs seems to be designed for those who need it, and know how to combat the disadvantages. If you mainly do landscape, it will be instrumental. However, if you do full body portraits, you would have to keep fabric design in mind.

hansenn · 10-11-2012, 04:58 AM - **1 Like**

Would pentax/ricoh take the risk making a useless camera? I don't think so.
Have they ever issued a model that was a great disappointment? Can't name one.

So you can safely buy one.

mickey · 10-11-2012, 05:20 AM

If I hadnt bought the K-5 earlier this year, I would be saving up the extra for a K-5 IIs no questions asked.
I mostly shoot nature and wildlife these days, so it'd do nicely...or at least, it seems to be a good piece of kit, judging from the large prints I've seen.

Class A · 10-11-2012, 05:22 AM

Originally posted by slip

The small amount of sharpness over the stand model, can't you sharpen in K5II in PS or lightroom and get the same results?

Yes, pretty much.

A camera with a Bayer matrix sensor but without an AA filter only makes sense for very few people who know what they are doing and have full control over their scenes.

Note that it is still possible to create moiré even with a K-5, i.e., the latter's AA filter is not over-engineered.

VictorDA · 10-11-2012, 05:41 AM

Originally posted by Class A

A camera with a Bayer matrix sensor but without an AA filter only makes sense for very few people who know what they are doing and have full control over their scenes.

Exactly! This is not intended for the casual photographer or as an everyday camera...

Originally posted by hansenn

So you can safely buy one.

If you're one of those very few. I know I'm not

kh1234567890 · 10-11-2012, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by victordeamorin

Exactly! This is not intended for the casual photographer or as an everyday camera...

It will sell. And the clueless buyers who can't focus or post-process their shots will convince themselves that their jpegs are much sharper than before and will argue so on many a thread

normhead · 10-11-2012, 07:46 AM

Quote:

And the clueless buyers who can't focus or post-process their shots will convince themselves that their jpegs are much sharper than before and will argue so on many a thread

Is that what the D800e users are doing? The point has been made that without the two second delay to reduce mirror shake and a tripod you aren't going to see any difference has been thoroughly made and emphasized. I think you may be denigrating "clueless buyers" without justification. For myself, I'm planning to have both a II and a IIs, both to be used appropriately, with my K5 as the back up body. I'd assume a lot of folks ordering the IIs are keeping their K-5s for portrait and general work. I'd find it odd that there would be people buying this camera that are more clueless than me, but hey...maybe you're right.

I really don't think the K-5 IIs is going to be some kind of status camera that people buy to impress their rich uncle. I'm guessing the people who order it, will know how to use it.

romeck · 10-11-2012, 09:07 AM

And why not by yourself remove the filter...?
A może by tak samemu wyjąć filtr?

James Miller removes optical low-pass filter from 5D Mark III for resolution increase / new footage

**Eric Auer** · 10-11-2012, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by kh1234567890

It will sell. And the clueless buyers who can't focus or post-process their shots will convince themselves that their jpegs are much sharper than before and will argue so on many a thread

So are you getting the II or the IIs?

yygomez · 10-11-2012, 09:32 AM

Since the pixel size for the IMX071 sensor is 4.8umm (K5IIs) and the pixel size for the IMX094 is 6.25umm (Nikon D800e), We should expect less Moire on the K5IIs,
I have seen test on the Nikon D800e and it shows very little difference in Moire vs the regular D800

yygomez · 10-11-2012, 09:50 AM

Sorry for my previous post, the correct pixel size for the D800 is 4.89, I was confusing with the cannon 5D MKIII sensor, So anyway we should expect similar Moire behavior than the D800e

kh1234567890 · 10-11-2012, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by Corto-PA

So are you getting the II or the IIs?

My K-7 still has well over 70,000 shutter clicks left before it hits the far end of the bathtub curve

johnyates · 10-11-2012, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by mickey

If I hadnt bought the K-5 earlier this year, I would be saving up the extra for a K-5 IIs no questions asked.

Me too. I waited for the big price reduction that came with the discontinuation of the K5. I'll likely do the same thing in a coupla years and get the K5IIs then.

Winder · 10-11-2012, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by yygomez

Sorry for my previous post, the correct pixel size for the D800 is 4.89, I was confusing with the cannon 5D MKIII sensor, So anyway we should expect similar Moire behavior than the D800e

The K-5II Super will show a little more morie because it has to be enlarged more for equal viewing or printing. The more you enlarge the image the more apparent morie will be. I was looking at some A99 sample at 1:1 and spotted some morie and it has an AA filter.

I went on a walk to try to create morie with my K-5. Notice the morie in the center building and the color morie n the building on the right?

10-11-2012, 04:35 AM	#1
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535	K5IIs, is it worth the risk? Is it a wise choice to choose the S model and have moire on your shots? I tried some PP with Photoshop and lightroom 4, and it is very hard if not impossible to correct without a lot of PP like cloning. The small amount of sharpness over the stand model, can't you sharpen in K5II in PS or lightroom and get the same results? of course it is all opinions, but all are welcomed! randy

10-11-2012, 06:26 PM	#15
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by yygomez Sorry for my previous post, the correct pixel size for the D800 is 4.89, I was confusing with the cannon 5D MKIII sensor, So anyway we should expect similar Moire behavior than the D800e The K-5II Super will show a little more morie because it has to be enlarged more for equal viewing or printing. The more you enlarge the image the more apparent morie will be. I was looking at some A99 sample at 1:1 and spotted some morie and it has an AA filter. I went on a walk to try to create morie with my K-5. Notice the morie in the center building and the color morie n the building on the right? Attached Images

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10-11-2012, 04:55 AM	#2
manacho2005 Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Red Oak, TX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 462	The K5IIs seems to be designed for those who need it, and know how to combat the disadvantages. If you mainly do landscape, it will be instrumental. However, if you do full body portraits, you would have to keep fabric design in mind.

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hansenn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: twente Photos: Gallery Posts: 123	Would pentax/ricoh take the risk making a useless camera? I don't think so. Have they ever issued a model that was a great disappointment? Can't name one. So you can safely buy one.

10-11-2012, 05:20 AM	#4
mickey Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Japan Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,146	If I hadnt bought the K-5 earlier this year, I would be saving up the extra for a K-5 IIs no questions asked. I mostly shoot nature and wildlife these days, so it'd do nicely...or at least, it seems to be a good piece of kit, judging from the large prints I've seen.

10-11-2012, 05:22 AM	#5
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by slip The small amount of sharpness over the stand model, can't you sharpen in K5II in PS or lightroom and get the same results? Yes, pretty much. A camera with a Bayer matrix sensor but without an AA filter only makes sense for very few people who know what they are doing and have full control over their scenes. Note that it is still possible to create moiré even with a K-5, i.e., the latter's AA filter is not over-engineered.

10-11-2012, 05:41 AM	#6
VictorDA Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lyon area, France Posts: 718	Originally posted by Class A A camera with a Bayer matrix sensor but without an AA filter only makes sense for very few people who know what they are doing and have full control over their scenes. Exactly! This is not intended for the casual photographer or as an everyday camera... Originally posted by hansenn So you can safely buy one. If you're one of those very few. I know I'm not

10-11-2012, 07:14 AM	#7
kh1234567890 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Manchester, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,653	Originally posted by victordeamorin Exactly! This is not intended for the casual photographer or as an everyday camera... It will sell. And the clueless buyers who can't focus or post-process their shots will convince themselves that their jpegs are much sharper than before and will argue so on many a thread

10-11-2012, 07:46 AM	#8
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Quote: And the clueless buyers who can't focus or post-process their shots will convince themselves that their jpegs are much sharper than before and will argue so on many a thread Is that what the D800e users are doing? The point has been made that without the two second delay to reduce mirror shake and a tripod you aren't going to see any difference has been thoroughly made and emphasized. I think you may be denigrating "clueless buyers" without justification. For myself, I'm planning to have both a II and a IIs, both to be used appropriately, with my K5 as the back up body. I'd assume a lot of folks ordering the IIs are keeping their K-5s for portrait and general work. I'd find it odd that there would be people buying this camera that are more clueless than me, but hey...maybe you're right. I really don't think the K-5 IIs is going to be some kind of status camera that people buy to impress their rich uncle. I'm guessing the people who order it, will know how to use it.

10-11-2012, 09:07 AM	#9
romeck Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Piekary Śląskie Photos: Albums Posts: 155	And why not by yourself remove the filter...? A może by tak samemu wyjąć filtr? James Miller removes optical low-pass filter from 5D Mark III for resolution increase / new footage

10-11-2012, 09:24 AM	#10
Eric Auer Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,211	Originally posted by kh1234567890 It will sell. And the clueless buyers who can't focus or post-process their shots will convince themselves that their jpegs are much sharper than before and will argue so on many a thread So are you getting the II or the IIs?

10-11-2012, 09:32 AM	#11
yygomez Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Surfside,FL Photos: Gallery Posts: 155	Since the pixel size for the IMX071 sensor is 4.8umm (K5IIs) and the pixel size for the IMX094 is 6.25umm (Nikon D800e), We should expect less Moire on the K5IIs, I have seen test on the Nikon D800e and it shows very little difference in Moire vs the regular D800

10-11-2012, 09:50 AM	#12
yygomez Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Surfside,FL Photos: Gallery Posts: 155	Sorry for my previous post, the correct pixel size for the D800 is 4.89, I was confusing with the cannon 5D MKIII sensor, So anyway we should expect similar Moire behavior than the D800e

10-11-2012, 11:12 AM	#13
kh1234567890 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Manchester, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,653	Originally posted by Corto-PA So are you getting the II or the IIs? My K-7 still has well over 70,000 shutter clicks left before it hits the far end of the bathtub curve

10-11-2012, 12:17 PM	#14
johnyates Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Saskatoon, SK Photos: Albums Posts: 1,345	Originally posted by mickey If I hadnt bought the K-5 earlier this year, I would be saving up the extra for a K-5 IIs no questions asked. Me too. I waited for the big price reduction that came with the discontinuation of the K5. I'll likely do the same thing in a coupla years and get the K5IIs then.