K100 exif in CS2?

foxglove · 01-04-2007, 06:12 PM

Hey gang-

Have I missed an update somewhere along the way? CS2 recognizes PEFs from my K100, but I can't find SR on/off in the exif. It shows up viewing the PEF in the Pentax software, but seems to get lost on conversion using ACR. Anybody with a K100 or K10 successfully preserve SR info when converting raw files using ACR?

Julie

slip · 01-04-2007, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by foxglove

Hey gang-

Have I missed an update somewhere along the way? CS2 recognizes PEFs from my K100, but I can't find SR on/off in the exif. It shows up viewing the PEF in the Pentax software, but seems to get lost on conversion using ACR. Anybody with a K100 or K10 successfully preserve SR info when converting raw files using ACR?

Julie

My wife's k100 and my k10 exif doesn't show that the SR is used or not either. never tried pef, though

randy

foxglove · 01-05-2007, 07:38 AM

Thanks for confirming I'm not losing it, Randy.

Anybody else? It's not absolutely critical, but it'd be interesting to have the info. I'm a scientist, I don't like to throw any data away!

Julie

volosong · 01-05-2007, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by foxglove

Thanks for confirming I'm not losing it, Randy.

Anybody else? It's not absolutely critical, but it'd be interesting to have the info. I'm a scientist, I don't like to throw any data away!

Julie

Only place I've seen SR info show up is in the on-camera review info screen. Doesn't seem to be part of the EXIF data. Maybe EXIF is some type of standard, and Shake Reduction is fairly new and hasn't been added yet. You can always add it after-the-fact in the "user comment" keyword value.

foxglove · 01-05-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by volosong

Only place I've seen SR info show up is in the on-camera review info screen. Doesn't seem to be part of the EXIF data.

Oh it's there all right - I checked in PPL. It seems that Adobe got as far as being able to convert the image information, but didn't get quite all the exif. Makes me wonder what else I'm missing. I've been keeping the PEFs until I figure it out, which is eating up some serious disk space!

Julie

Photo Tramp · 01-06-2007, 03:23 AM

Hi Julie,
What camera RAW file do you have in plug ins in CS2? Is it the 3.6 version?
this may make a difference. Or it just may be that ARC has overlooked it in their rush to get the Camera RAW file to market to keep up with the demands of the industry. If this is the case I would hope when they get the plug in for version 4.0 out it will have all the EXIF data.

Good Shooting.
Cheers: David

Jonas B · 01-06-2007, 05:27 AM

I don't have a K100D and so I'm not able to check for myself. I would try this:

Take a picture withthe SR turned ON.
Check in PPL that the info is there
Convert it to DNG using the Adobe converter and
Convert it to DNG using PPL (if doable)
Check both pictures in PPL and ACR 3.6 respectively for the SR info

The EXIF values are standard. Among the EXIF values there also are Makernotes that are not standard. I don't know where the SR is placed but it may be in inside the Makernote part and then there will be problem for most third party software to show the info as long as the maker of the software don't aim for it specifically.

If you find the info in any of the DNG files you should be able to convert your pictures to save space.

Just my 2 cents, and maybe I get something wrong as I never even installed PPL after having read all the reports about it. I remember reading that the new version of PPL (shipped with K10D is available for download. That may make for some possibilities not found with earlier versions.

regards,

roentarre · 01-06-2007, 06:06 AM

I have never shot RAW on k10d or even on k100d and I always shoot jpegs. I never noticed SR being recorded in EXIF but only on the info data appearing on review screen.

But I always take photos with SR on anyway. Rarely I turned SR off for some long exposure stuff. Otherwise all my shots are having SR turend on and all EXIF should have SR attached to the info until proven otherwise.

foxglove · 01-06-2007, 06:29 AM

Originally posted by Jonas B

I don't have a K100D and so I'm not able to check for myself. I would try this:

Take a picture withthe SR turned ON.
Check in PPL that the info is there
Convert it to DNG using the Adobe converter and
Convert it to DNG using PPL (if doable)
Check both pictures in PPL and ACR 3.6 respectively for the SR info

That's pretty much what I did, except you can't convert to DNG using PPL. Or at least if you can, it's so non-intuitive I couldn't figure it out. I think I'll try converting to tiff in PPL, open it in PS, and see if SR shows up.

Quote:

The EXIF values are standard. Among the EXIF values there also are Makernotes that are not standard. I don't know where the SR is placed but it may be in inside the Makernote part and then there will be problem for most third party software to show the info as long as the maker of the software don't aim for it specifically.

Hm, that may explain it. Or as Photo Tramp suggests, maybe they rushed to make it compatible with the new cameras and missed some bits. Either way, it makes me wonder if I'm missing something more important.

Thanks all for your suggestions. If I ever figure it out I'll let you know!

Julie

slip · 01-06-2007, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by foxglove

That's pretty much what I did, except you can't convert to DNG using PPL. .

Julie

adobe has a utility that you can convert almost any supported raw file to DNG
Adobe - Digital Negative (DNG)

not sure if this will help,

randy

foxglove · 01-06-2007, 08:21 AM

Originally posted by slipchuck

adobe has a utility that you can convert almost any supported raw file to DNG

That's what I'm using, but it apparently loses the SR info, and who knows what else, which is why I'm interested in figuring it out. I prefer to convert to dng but I don't want to lose information. PPL only does tiff, so far as I know. It's hard to tell, it keeps crashing!

Julie

Jonas B · 01-06-2007, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by foxglove

That's pretty much what I did, except you can't convert to DNG using PPL. Or at least if you can, it's so non-intuitive I couldn't figure it out. I think I'll try converting to tiff in PPL, open it in PS, and see if SR shows up.

-snip-

Thanks all for your suggestions. If I ever figure it out I'll let you know!

I don't have the software installed. But, I do seem to recall that the new version can do this (compression? need to save as DNG once again using the Adobe utility?), check the menues and see if you can "Save As".

regards,

Ole · 01-06-2007, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by foxglove

Hey gang-

Have I missed an update somewhere along the way? CS2 recognizes PEFs from my K100, but I can't find SR on/off in the exif. It shows up viewing the PEF in the Pentax software, but seems to get lost on conversion using ACR. Anybody with a K100 or K10 successfully preserve SR info when converting raw files using ACR?

Julie

You haven't missed anything. CS2 doesn't recognize all of the Pentax EXIF information and even overwrites some of it when you postprocess your photo.

Since you hate to lose data: The Pentax Photobrowser can pruduce a file with all the EXIF data. In the Photobrowser: Select all images in your directory and click the 'Save Image Data List' button. Save the file with extension .csv, and open it in a spreadsheet program. Here you can see one such file, and also see that some EXIF fields on post-processed files have been wiped (by Photoshop).

Jonas B · 01-06-2007, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by Ole

... and also see that some EXIF fields on post-processed files have been wiped (by Photoshop).

How strange. The missing data is data that I can see in Photoshop CS2 after having developed raw pictures with ACR. (Still with the *ist DS though.)

Ole · 01-06-2007, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by Jonas B

How strange. The missing data is data that I can see in Photoshop CS2 after having developed raw pictures with ACR. (Still with the *ist DS though.)

Strange indeed. As an example the lens name always get wiped for me when I save the file as jpg from PS. That's annoying and therefore I have turned to save all EXIF data with Photobrowser as the second step in my process (after renaming the files).

01-04-2007, 06:12 PM	#1
foxglove Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Atlantic Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,049	K100 exif in CS2? Hey gang- Have I missed an update somewhere along the way? CS2 recognizes PEFs from my K100, but I can't find SR on/off in the exif. It shows up viewing the PEF in the Pentax software, but seems to get lost on conversion using ACR. Anybody with a K100 or K10 successfully preserve SR info when converting raw files using ACR? Julie

01-06-2007, 09:31 AM	#13
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,409	Originally posted by foxglove Hey gang- Have I missed an update somewhere along the way? CS2 recognizes PEFs from my K100, but I can't find SR on/off in the exif. It shows up viewing the PEF in the Pentax software, but seems to get lost on conversion using ACR. Anybody with a K100 or K10 successfully preserve SR info when converting raw files using ACR? Julie You haven't missed anything. CS2 doesn't recognize all of the Pentax EXIF information and even overwrites some of it when you postprocess your photo. Since you hate to lose data: The Pentax Photobrowser can pruduce a file with all the EXIF data. In the Photobrowser: Select all images in your directory and click the 'Save Image Data List' button. Save the file with extension .csv, and open it in a spreadsheet program. Here you can see one such file, and also see that some EXIF fields on post-processed files have been wiped (by Photoshop). Attached Images

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01-04-2007, 07:06 PM	#2
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535	Originally posted by foxglove Hey gang- Have I missed an update somewhere along the way? CS2 recognizes PEFs from my K100, but I can't find SR on/off in the exif. It shows up viewing the PEF in the Pentax software, but seems to get lost on conversion using ACR. Anybody with a K100 or K10 successfully preserve SR info when converting raw files using ACR? Julie My wife's k100 and my k10 exif doesn't show that the SR is used or not either. never tried pef, though randy

01-05-2007, 07:38 AM	#3
foxglove Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Atlantic Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,049 Original Poster	Thanks for confirming I'm not losing it, Randy. Anybody else? It's not absolutely critical, but it'd be interesting to have the info. I'm a scientist, I don't like to throw any data away! Julie

01-05-2007, 11:23 AM	#4
volosong Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: North Idaho Photos: Gallery Posts: 696	Originally posted by foxglove Thanks for confirming I'm not losing it, Randy. Anybody else? It's not absolutely critical, but it'd be interesting to have the info. I'm a scientist, I don't like to throw any data away! Julie Only place I've seen SR info show up is in the on-camera review info screen. Doesn't seem to be part of the EXIF data. Maybe EXIF is some type of standard, and Shake Reduction is fairly new and hasn't been added yet. You can always add it after-the-fact in the "user comment" keyword value.

01-05-2007, 05:42 PM	#5
foxglove Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Atlantic Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,049 Original Poster	Originally posted by volosong Only place I've seen SR info show up is in the on-camera review info screen. Doesn't seem to be part of the EXIF data. Oh it's there all right - I checked in PPL. It seems that Adobe got as far as being able to convert the image information, but didn't get quite all the exif. Makes me wonder what else I'm missing. I've been keeping the PEFs until I figure it out, which is eating up some serious disk space! Julie

01-06-2007, 03:23 AM	#6
Photo Tramp Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Lancaster, PA. Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,041	Hi Julie, What camera RAW file do you have in plug ins in CS2? Is it the 3.6 version? this may make a difference. Or it just may be that ARC has overlooked it in their rush to get the Camera RAW file to market to keep up with the demands of the industry. If this is the case I would hope when they get the plug in for version 4.0 out it will have all the EXIF data. Good Shooting. Cheers: David

01-06-2007, 05:27 AM	#7
Jonas B Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 810	I don't have a K100D and so I'm not able to check for myself. I would try this: Take a picture withthe SR turned ON. Check in PPL that the info is there Convert it to DNG using the Adobe converter and Convert it to DNG using PPL (if doable) Check both pictures in PPL and ACR 3.6 respectively for the SR info The EXIF values are standard. Among the EXIF values there also are Makernotes that are not standard. I don't know where the SR is placed but it may be in inside the Makernote part and then there will be problem for most third party software to show the info as long as the maker of the software don't aim for it specifically. If you find the info in any of the DNG files you should be able to convert your pictures to save space. Just my 2 cents, and maybe I get something wrong as I never even installed PPL after having read all the reports about it. I remember reading that the new version of PPL (shipped with K10D is available for download. That may make for some possibilities not found with earlier versions. regards,

01-06-2007, 06:06 AM	#8
roentarre Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 11,783	I have never shot RAW on k10d or even on k100d and I always shoot jpegs. I never noticed SR being recorded in EXIF but only on the info data appearing on review screen. But I always take photos with SR on anyway. Rarely I turned SR off for some long exposure stuff. Otherwise all my shots are having SR turend on and all EXIF should have SR attached to the info until proven otherwise.

01-06-2007, 06:29 AM	#9
foxglove Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Atlantic Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,049 Original Poster	Originally posted by Jonas B I don't have a K100D and so I'm not able to check for myself. I would try this: Take a picture withthe SR turned ON. Check in PPL that the info is there Convert it to DNG using the Adobe converter and Convert it to DNG using PPL (if doable) Check both pictures in PPL and ACR 3.6 respectively for the SR info That's pretty much what I did, except you can't convert to DNG using PPL. Or at least if you can, it's so non-intuitive I couldn't figure it out. I think I'll try converting to tiff in PPL, open it in PS, and see if SR shows up. Quote: The EXIF values are standard. Among the EXIF values there also are Makernotes that are not standard. I don't know where the SR is placed but it may be in inside the Makernote part and then there will be problem for most third party software to show the info as long as the maker of the software don't aim for it specifically. Hm, that may explain it. Or as Photo Tramp suggests, maybe they rushed to make it compatible with the new cameras and missed some bits. Either way, it makes me wonder if I'm missing something more important. Thanks all for your suggestions. If I ever figure it out I'll let you know! Julie

01-06-2007, 07:20 AM	#10
slip Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 2 hours north of toronto ontario canada Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,535	Originally posted by foxglove That's pretty much what I did, except you can't convert to DNG using PPL. . Julie adobe has a utility that you can convert almost any supported raw file to DNG Adobe - Digital Negative (DNG) not sure if this will help, randy

01-06-2007, 08:21 AM	#11
foxglove Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Atlantic Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,049 Original Poster	Originally posted by slipchuck adobe has a utility that you can convert almost any supported raw file to DNG That's what I'm using, but it apparently loses the SR info, and who knows what else, which is why I'm interested in figuring it out. I prefer to convert to dng but I don't want to lose information. PPL only does tiff, so far as I know. It's hard to tell, it keeps crashing! Julie

01-06-2007, 08:49 AM	#12
Jonas B Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 810	Originally posted by foxglove That's pretty much what I did, except you can't convert to DNG using PPL. Or at least if you can, it's so non-intuitive I couldn't figure it out. I think I'll try converting to tiff in PPL, open it in PS, and see if SR shows up. -snip- Thanks all for your suggestions. If I ever figure it out I'll let you know! I don't have the software installed. But, I do seem to recall that the new version can do this (compression? need to save as DNG once again using the Adobe utility?), check the menues and see if you can "Save As". regards,

01-06-2007, 09:41 AM	#14
Jonas B Inactive Account Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Göteborg, Sweden Posts: 810	Originally posted by Ole ... and also see that some EXIF fields on post-processed files have been wiped (by Photoshop). How strange. The missing data is data that I can see in Photoshop CS2 after having developed raw pictures with ACR. (Still with the *ist DS though.)

01-06-2007, 10:39 AM	#15
Ole Administrator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,409	Originally posted by Jonas B How strange. The missing data is data that I can see in Photoshop CS2 after having developed raw pictures with ACR. (Still with the *ist DS though.) Strange indeed. As an example the lens name always get wiped for me when I save the file as jpg from PS. That's annoying and therefore I have turned to save all EXIF data with Photobrowser as the second step in my process (after renaming the files).