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12-27-2012, 09:37 AM   #16
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All good points.

The K7 is by no means bad ... I love the controls and solid build/wr and seems capable in good light of producing very good image quality.

Maybe I have only 2 lenses that use it to full potential ... 100mm WR and 35mm FA ... the other two lenses I own are the 18-55mm wr and 50-200mm wr

The 35mm FA is constantly attached. I can only imagine how good the FA 31mm must be.

The higher ISO capabilities of the newer sensor is what attracts me and the DR.

I don't care for video.

At some point I will be after a wide (capable of astro/night). None are discounted much atm and I'm not seeing much on the used market either.

I guess its just the reduced price and cashback me making me itchy.

These are the sums taking into account shop trade in of k7 body trade in and pentax uk cashback (all bodies only)

body price tradein/cb diff
369 -175-50= 144 k-30
749 -275= 474 k5ii (get an extra 100 trade in on body)
549 -175= 374 k-5

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So looking at that the K5ii is 100 more than the K5 at current prices and it sounds like that 100 might be justified.
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You must be very fortunate to have the K-5 II only $100 more than the K-5. I'd even upgrade from the K-5 to the K-5 II if that were the case where I am...
$749 is very reasonable. The trade in discount makes it irresistable IMO.
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QuoteOriginally posted by treebeard Quote
Get the K-5. I doubt Pentax will have a FF camera anytime soon. The prices for a new/used K-5 are quite low and you won't regret it.
I am expecting the next Pentax camera to be an APS-C with 24 MP without AA filter since the K5-IIs seems to be the hit, the low light AF of K5-II (maybe with more points), the CDAF, video, etc. of the K-30, another 1-2 stops of useful ISOs for low light, and a few incremental improvements to everything else. FF is still on the distant horizon.

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I have moved from *istD to K10D to K7D to K5D. In fact I keep as opposed to sell old bodies, thenK10d has had the lens lock and AF drive fail, and is dedicated to being my M42 body, for my 17 M42 lenses. My IstD is used for flash with legacy lenses because it supports TTL, and I use the K7 and K5 almost interchangeably. I say almost because the K7 does not play nice with my Tamron 28-75, for some reason the shots never appear sharp, where as the k10 and now K5 worked very well with the Tammy. I use the K5 for more telephoto shots and birding because the high ISO performance is better, both are nice quiet cameras compared to the K10. Is an upgrade to thenk5 worth it, if you go above 800 ISO definitely
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Just get the K30 if you are on limited budget.
The k5 was already much ahead of k7.
Better af and iso performance.
Because of the good iso performance, auto-iso is a totally 'transformed' feature, compared to K7.
Add to that the fine noise at low iso and DR.
Really day and night vs K7.

The K30 is as good in sensor as the K5.
Slight handling 'penalites' as the K5 has more buttons and top Lcd, but certainly not 'crippled'.
Certainly good enough in handling.
It betters K5 in LV AF, better AF, focus peaking (video too but not my area of interest)

I've use/d K7, K5, K30
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I've seen the K-01 [ex demo] Body for 209... That would involve no trade in and allow me to get my hands on a new sensor...

This is very tempting... I've shot with a Panasonic G1 before using live mode mainly (this was before the K7) .. So I know what that is like interms of use

I just wonder.. how does the K-01 compare to the K-5/K-30 for astro, night etc...

Also it 14 bit raw?

What is the actual or perceived IQ difference with the K-01 compared to its bigger brothers with the same sensor.
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I don't believe you will see any significant difference in image quality between the K-01 and K-5.
The theoretical advance of 14 bit vs 12 bit RAW is just that, and I haven't seen the benefit of 14 bit over 12 bit with my own eyes yet.
You'd be looking more at the camera's responsiveness and ability to shoot in faster conditions, which favour the dSLRs over the K-01.
I'm sure the K-01 could do fine for night photos just as well as the K-5 and K30. Astrophotography is a specialised area and worth using gear like the O-GPS1 with compatible cameras to get decent results.

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QuoteOriginally posted by pinholecam Quote
Just get the K30 if you are on limited budget.
The k5 was already much ahead of k7.
Better af and iso performance.
Because of the good iso performance, auto-iso is a totally 'transformed' feature, compared to K7.
Add to that the fine noise at low iso and DR.
Really day and night vs K7.

The K30 is as good in sensor as the K5.
Slight handling 'penalites' as the K5 has more buttons and top Lcd, but certainly not 'crippled'.
Certainly good enough in handling.
It betters K5 in LV AF, better AF, focus peaking (video too but not my area of interest)

I've use/d K7, K5, K30
I came from the istDS, and was considering both K-30 and K-5. K-30 was cheaper and people said it was better for video, better AF, better image quality. So I tried them both in a shop, did a few test shots and videos. The video quality of the K-5 is miles ahead of the K-30, where the only advantage is smaller files and a bit of convenience. Image quality they are both good enough. But the silent shutter of the K-5 and the handling in general... Let's just say the K-30 felt like a downgrade to me. And that is coming from that ancient thing that is the istDS! I ended up with the K-5.

In what ways is the K-5 II better? Better AF when there is no light, and a better, less reflective screen. That's good of course. But if you have to pay much more for it... I don't think it is worth it.

If only image quality matter, and maybe good design, then the K-01 is a good choice. The results are probably as good as those from the K-30 and K-5. To me handling and haptics are important though. (Also I do think Pentax really screwed up the video function of the K-01 and K-5).
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Pentax k7, I consider myself a good armature photographer and use my Pentax k7 for my art ideas. The k7 was a replacement for my old k1 film camera, It took over 3 years of research to replace the film camera with the SLR and my final choice was lenses compatibility. I'm old school I like to set my f stops and aperture setting myself , so this is a very large learning curve for me ,one that is going to take many years from what i can see. Now we are already discussing the k-5ll , and im still quite proud and getting comfortable with the k7. First the green settings are nice since my family likes the feel of the camera and always wants to take photos of friends with it , just set it to green and have at it. You can do this with any camera but once you pick up the Pentax compared the some other models it seems mine always walks the party room. For me i like the great versatility of taking it outdoors and on my boat on the lake. Water resistant is a must for outdoor shooting, i bought the Meike aftermarket battery handle and im very pleased with it , the quality is good. It does make the camera quite heavy, but the extra battery life is almost a must for a day of outdoor shooting in the winter. It will be many years before this Pentax gets replaced by an upgrade for my use so until we get a major breakthrough from Pentax this choice will be my best friend for a while .I would like to see a heads up display mounted where the flash unit goes, a better way to cover the eye cap, and a remote that works more than 4 feet with a lockup, unteathered. Abetter users manual and a complete software rework would be great.

Thanks ,just my thoughts
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As long as low light capabilities and dynamic range aren't so important the K-7 is still a wonderful camera, yes.

Battery grip... If all you want is longer battery life, why not get a spare battery instead?

Software... You mean on the PC? There is Lightroom, which IMHO is as good as it gets.
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Have a K5 myself, and came from the K200D. Big differences, and if you don't like big differences between camera's go for the K5 or the K5 II/s. And if you're used to a battery grip, the K30 is a bit strange if you have big hands, would choose for the K5, especially if you have big hands, have a shoot of a longer term and then you have with the K5 a battery grip. For me this was/is a big deal after looking for another Pentax camera after the K200, as with the K5, it holds much better when I keep it in my hands and when I'm shooting on location with people with a disability it takes a lot of time. Have been shooting with the same battery's without charging them since July and had over 60 hours of shooting in total. If the K5 was still too expensive when I bought it and the K30 was around I think I would've chosen for the K30 as it was a less big step then between the K200 and K5, but I really don't regret buying the K5.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Conqueror Quote
I've seen the K-01 [ex demo] Body for 209... That would involve no trade in and allow me to get my hands on a new sensor...

This is very tempting... I've shot with a Panasonic G1 before using live mode mainly (this was before the K7) .. So I know what that is like interms of use

I just wonder.. how does the K-01 compare to the K-5/K-30 for astro, night etc...

Also it 14 bit raw?

What is the actual or perceived IQ difference with the K-01 compared to its bigger brothers with the same sensor.
cons on k01 no view finder so much needed on very sunny days i retuned my k01 and got the blue k 30 wonderful camera much easier to hold then the k01 with a fantastic view finder
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Well its been about a year now since the K7 came into my life. First , It was NOT a mistake, I love the transition ,all the old lenses work great,The camera is a lot heaver than some of the other brands ,especially with the extra battery attachment, but I can take a 5 day trip up the lake and not be worried that the camera will die on me half way. There is definitely a large learning curve from film and i do still use filters although i know i don't have to. I have to pay close attention to the settings because its easy to forget what you have when you transition to different format settings 1 star 4 stars ,is it for the internet or phone or am i going to use the picture for some fine art work. These are just a few of the things that i have to remember when I take shots Its hard to use this camera and take pictures at the same time im sailing my boat I have to come up with someway to lock my try-pod to the deck and mount the camera and still be able to take quality pictures. I just cant give the camera to a friend and expect to get the same quality.
Yes this K7 will be with me for quite some time.
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