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12-21-2012, 01:59 AM   #16
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Yes, the K-5 IIs should be on there, but it doesn't matter since it can't match the D800E anyway (if for no other reason than the fact that the D800E was the trailblazer).

However, I voted for the Fujifilm X-Pro 1 with its impressive sensor. I haven't had a chance to read the Sony SLT-A99 review yet, but it looks outstanding and I believe it deserves to be a contender too. Both of these cameras are getting slighted in the results.


Interestingly, the Olympus OM-D EM-5 is currently a very close 2nd to the D800E. While it's a nice camera - and a critical product for the company, being arguably the first m4/3 camera to live up to the promise of the system - I don't believe it has the kind of innovation that merits this position. Perhaps it's because it's the camera that the average enthusiast actually enjoys using the most, which is an important measure we shouldn't lose track of. But even so, the Sony RX1 is a more significant product for the future, as I think will become apparent next year.

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QuoteOriginally posted by DSims Quote
Yes, the K-5 IIs should be on there, but it doesn't matter since it can't match the D800E anyway (if for no other reason than the fact that the D800E was the trailblazer).

However, I voted for the Fujifilm X-Pro 1 with its impressive sensor. I haven't had a chance to read the Sony SLT-A99 review yet, but it looks outstanding and I believe it deserves to be a contender too. Both of these cameras are getting slighted in the results.


Interestingly, the Olympus OM-D EM-5 is currently a very close 2nd to the D800E. While it's a nice camera - and a critical product for the company, being arguably the first m4/3 camera to live up to the promise of the system - I don't believe it has the kind of innovation that merits this position. Perhaps it's because it's the camera that the average enthusiast actually enjoys using the most, which is an important measure we shouldn't lose track of. But even so, the Sony RX1 is a more significant product for the future, as I think will become apparent next year.
It only matters, because the D800 will win but only because it's a Nikon, because it demonstrates that the poll is a shame. The K-30? Really? Whoever put it together just isn't genuinely trying to look at the innovation. First AA filterless APS-C camera? Resolves near the FF level in benchmark tests? Costs $1.2k. Not $4k. It is unlikely to win because the user base is small but it certainly deserves to be on the list, the fact that it's not is proof that the poll is a shame IMHO.
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No K-5IIs that competes with FF cameras? And costs 1/3?
K-5 IIs (MSRP 1299$ body)
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D600 deal (1250$ body)
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Limited in what sense? It's got way more features than the D800 and a comparable image quality.
Limited in the sense that the EM-5 can't do AF-C or tracking, therefore is a poor choice for sports or wildlife. Not to mention there are no n4/3 lenses for fast tele anyway. Mirrorless is too limited to be anything but a second body for a lot of shooters.

Comparable image quality, are you serious? The EM-5 sensor scored a 71 at DXOMark, which means it has reached the level of a 3-yr old K-x. The K-5 scored an 82. The D800 scored a 95, higher than any camera ever tested. Here's a breakdown of what 71 vs 95 actually means:

Colour depth: 22.6 vs 25.3 bits
Dynamic range: 12.3 vs 14.4 Ev
SNR at 3dB: 826 vs 2853 ISO

How you can say that they have similar image quality is beyond me.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Docrwm Quote
It only matters, because the D800 will win but only because it's a Nikon, because it demonstrates that the poll is a shame. The K-30? Really? Whoever put it together just isn't genuinely trying to look at the innovation. First AA filterless APS-C camera? Resolves near the FF level in benchmark tests? Costs $1.2k. Not $4k. It is unlikely to win because the user base is small but it certainly deserves to be on the list, the fact that it's not is proof that the poll is a shame IMHO.
Actually, I think the only reason they didn't include it is because they haven't reviewed it yet.

I have a K-5 IIs. Its improvements go significantly beyond what's advertised, and I'm really impressed, but I still wouldn't have voted for it.
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Actually, I think the only reason they didn't include it is because they haven't reviewed it yet.

I have a K-5 IIs. Its improvements go well beyond what's advertised, and I'm really impressed, but I still wouldn't have voted for it.
Do you think it's more in the category than the K-30 which is the Pentax entry? Looking at both the IIs seems more ground breaking, better overall specs in many regards, and is a very attractive MSRP to boot.
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