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02-25-2013, 09:40 PM   #16
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Your post, and my personal experience of testing the waters by buying a 60D (and noticing that things aren't really any better with Canon, at least unless you spend BIG BUCKS) solidifies my decision in the Pentax system.

Of course a 5D Mark III focuses faster with a 70-200 2.8. That kit will set you back 5 grand or more. Use a 60D with a 50mm f/1.4 and it's no better than a Pentax K-5 in my humble opinion, video notwithstanding.
This is a wonderfully helpful post. Build quality is incredibly important, as it is what will separate real weather durability from not. As you said, your internals might be exposed sometime soon. That's not going to be very sealed from the elements... Meanwhile, Pentax shoots the K-30 with a damn hose!

Perhaps the K-30 and faster lenses will help calm my worries.

A lot of my video I'd shoot won't even really need focusing. It will be camera sitting on a tripod focused on one spot... At least from a business standpoint.

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I still shoot with K20D bodies. As far as catching action, this shot was taken during a short break in the rain (last May) - Candle in the Rain (NSFW, contains nudity) The model is airborne in this shot (ISO 200, F2.8, 1/800, Aperture Priority) and the K20D FA50/1.4 did just fine freezing the action.
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One of the local studio owners who hired me for an event recently shot video mainly with a Pentax K-01. He used to have some 60D's, but after getting a K-01 the 60D became an emergency backup only.

As for getting into another system, well if the OP hasn't invested yet in lots of P glass, I guess switching isn't a very big deal. But given what I see (the leap in AF performance from the K-x to the K-5 IIs), the AF improvements in Pentaxland currently are, as far as I can say, "good enough" for some sports. Excellent hand-eye coordination (through practice) + Quick-Shift does wonders too
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I still shoot with K20D bodies. As far as catching action, this shot was taken during a short break in the rain (last May) - Candle in the Rain (NSFW, contains nudity) The model is airborne in this shot (ISO 200, F2.8, 1/800, Aperture Priority) and the K20D FA50/1.4 did just fine freezing the action.
Wouldn't this have more to do with shutter speed than focus speed? Now catch her playing soccer... You know? But I guess I can see your point.
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One of the local studio owners who hired me for an event recently shot video mainly with a Pentax K-01. He used to have some 60D's, but after getting a K-01 the 60D became an emergency backup only.

As for getting into another system, well if the OP hasn't invested yet in lots of P glass, I guess switching isn't a very big deal. But given what I see (the leap in AF performance from the K-x to the K-5 IIs), the AF improvements in Pentaxland currently are, as far as I can say, "good enough" for some sports. Excellent hand-eye coordination (through practice) + Quick-Shift does wonders too
I wouldn't make the jump to the K-5 IIs just yet, as my glass wouldn't really make it worth it. Plus the K-30 has a couple advantages I might like.

Anyway, all that aside, I think I've realized that somewhat as well. That's funny that the K-01 even replaced the 60D. Love it.

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I wouldn't listen to anyone if I was you. Take your time and try before you buy.
In my experience Canon is way ahead of Pentax when it comes to AF. But Pentax is way ahead in everything else. I've been shoting with 7d before I switched to k5 and yes it has better AF. Not that much faster but AF points are so much smaller and that helps alot. Everything else is IMO better on k5. It feels far more solid,ergonomics are without competition and IQ in high ISO is amazing for APS camera.
Just try before you buy.
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Damn!

What body/lens combo for those? I achieved a couple similar results with K20D and DA 40mm LTD but unfortunately that was all with manual focus.
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Sorry, probably should have just checked the EXIF. By "rear AF" you mean the dedicated AF button?

If I'm not mistaken the AF in the K-30 is just as good (or if anything better) than the K-5, correct? It's hard to find anything terribly conclusive on that in the forums.

Callous is worth it indeed! Looks great!
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Just work on technique and practice with your gear. I was shooting racing with a K100D and a Sigma UC 70-210 f4-5.6 last summer - both not exactly fast to focus. Long focus ring on the lens and slow AF drive of the K100d compared to the K20d. Prefocusing and predicting where the action is going to be is the key here, as is with any other brand of DSLR. Fast AF is good but you still have to know where the action is going to be a couple of seconds before it goes there. This said a K5-II and a faster focusing lens would be a dream but I'm pretty happy with my K10d now. Here are some examples with the combination mentioned above:













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I don't have the images posted online at the moment, but I have a series of photos taken at a horse show a couple of years ago that demonstrates that action shots are no problem for Pentax. Horses, after all, move quite a bit faster than humans. Of course, the photographer matters more than the equipment. You can't simply point & click and hope for good results. You have to know what you're shooting, anticipate the action, plan your shots. Takes a little effort, but what worthwhile endeavor doesn't?
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I dunno... I've shot baseball games and other action with my K-x & K-100Ds and they performed quite well. But I practiced with it until I developed techniques that worked with the camera. I did have a chance to play with a $2000 Nikon, and yes the AF was superb. But it should have been for what the thing cost.

I'm not going to try to dissuade you from going with another system, I'm just saying I've never had a problem even with my "antique" DSLRs. Of course, I'm a geezer who spent 20 years using all manual 35mm gear before switching to digital, so I'm used to shooting old school.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ponosby Britt Quote
Don't know if they were females and due to my inexperience, shutter was too slow but they were definitely running at me. The little guy was moving.
The grass behind the dog chasing the red frisbee seems to be in focus? This looks like a big focus 'miss' to me and seems to be a bigger problem than the shutter speed, but I'm only looking at a web-sized version.


I've long since given up on using auto focus to track anything moving fast, but I have an ancient camera (k100d) and slow focusing lenses. Manual focus plus timing it right has worked much better for me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Buschmaster Quote
I have two main needs that have emerged now. First:
Action shots. My nephews are really getting into the age of sports now, and while I can get good shots of them now, I can't help but feel I could get MORE good shots of them with another brand. Maybe I'm crazy but the Pentax lacks the confidence in focus that my sister's new Nikon has. (Keep in mind I have a K20D, not a 30 or 5-II or anything...) It's not even how fast it can spin the lens, it is the confidence and accuracy at which it spins it. You know? I don't care about a billion focus points, I could live with one if I needed to.
Newer cams have more "confident" AF...

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Work videos: I want to record videos of using my app, others using my app, etc. I currently have NO video capability in my DSLR so I use my iPhone 5 for any video recording. It does ok. But nothing too special, no zoom, etc. If I bought a new camera today it would either be the K-5 or K30... So now the question is... Why would I?
Newer cams have Video features

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Full frame doesn't matter, but having these two things suddenly be much more important to me, I can't help but feel my Pentax days are numbered... I love the brand, I love the way they feel, I wish Pentax could just come out with another camera to blow them all away, but I can't wait for that to happen the rest of my life. I hate that I'm even writing these words, but...
Newer cams from any manufacturer haven't improved that much, i.e., the wait could BE that long...

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Is there another brand (Hoping Nikon) that would suit my needs well? Two BIG necessities are weather sealed and two dials, otherwise I'm pretty open.
Sure. Any brand of newer camera with those features will suit your needs (as stated) well.


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i.e. wishing for Pentax, hoping for Nikon recommendations? Does this have anything to do with sister having a newer better camera?
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I think the premise of this thread is a bit odd. "My camera from 2008 (5 years old!) seems to not be as great as someone's new camera - it must be the brand"
With Canikon it seems to only be worth it (as in, better results than Pentax) when you buy their top notch gear. And if an iPhone is good enough for your video needs right now.. the K-5 will be better. And the K-30, too. I don't really understand why you think all new Pentax cams are the same as your 5 year old camera, but that all other brand cameras are better. But hey, have fun with Nikon, enjoy their forums as well
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Sorry, probably should have just checked the EXIF. By "rear AF" you mean the dedicated AF button?
I use this w/ my K20D as well...helps indoors. Prefocus using the AF-ON button, and leave it in AF-C so you can trip the shutter whenever you want. Basically, you end up predicting your subject instead of the camera. If you have large enough DOF, it works fine...

And ditto what folks have said about low end Canikon not having great AF systems. Canon's best AF system is in their 1D series...that's what gave them their reputation...their lower end ones aren't great. Nikon's best AF system is in their D300 and up though it seems they stuck part of that system in the D7100. Their lower systems aren't great, but are still slightly better than our K20D systems'...
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Not professional quality by any means, but I found my K-20 more than adequate with action shots.






In my limited experience, the trick to action shots is to try and pre-focus and then shoot away.
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