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02-26-2013, 11:17 AM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ponosby Britt Quote
DoF for that shot was around 2 ft., about the area of the grass in focus around the dog. It was a brutally bright day and my point was, I could focus on the little bitty dog in a sea of green as he was flying towards me and the frisbee. Notice the frisbee is OOF.
I think most or all of that 2ft DoF is located behind the dog though. The grass behind it looks way more in focus than the grass under it. To me that's a miss.

QuoteOriginally posted by Ponosby Britt Quote
This question comes up a lot on these forums. If you shoot stuff like this a lot, you'll figure out how to shoot it. Doing this once in awhile on a weekend is fun but its not enough to get good at it.
For sure. Learning how to get the most out of your equipment is worth more than upgrading to the newest shiniest model, and that practice has the bonus of carrying over to the new shiny model when the time comes.

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I don't know how I get the shots I do, using huge focus points (by the way, the fact that some people say they are huge, doesn't make it true. When manual foucssing I've seen my focus point move around inside the areas that are supposed to be one huge focal point. That fact that someone says it's true doesn't make it true)







The ones of Tripper chasing the ball, was a sequence of 6 shots in burst mode, 6 of the shots were in clear focus, which is about the same success rate you can get with a Caonon or Nikon on a stationary target. I honestly can't believe how many people who don't know how to get a decent shot out of their cameras post on forums like this as if it's the cameras fault. It's not the camera, it's you. YOu know who you are and some lf you posted in this thread. You have a lot of nerve coming some place like this where people have produced all kinds of incredible shots with exactly the gear you are criticizing.

SO let me give you some pointers.

That shot of Tripper was taken with a K-5, before the improved auto-focus of the K-30 and K-5 II.
It was shot with a very fast lens. 50 mm 1.7. Believe it or not, the amount of light affects how your sensor responds.
Shoot 1/1000 or better to minimize motion blur.

A pile of the negative stuff posted above, they aren't worth responding to. It's just not worth my time to preach to the ignorant. I've shot action shots with manual focus, and these guys are trying to tell you there's an auto-focus system that makes them miss? I don't doubt that they miss. But I put that off as poor technique or slow lenses. Not something built into the camera.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Buschmaster Quote
Once upon a time, I looked at people who didn't shoot Pentax and thought they were on something. Now I think they're onto ...

Is there another brand (Hoping Nikon) that would suit my needs well? Two BIG necessities are weather sealed and two dials, otherwise I'm pretty open.

I know we sometimes read reviews that extol another platform's better AF capability or whatnot. Keep in mind that same camera is probably lacking in some other feature, ie weather sealing, in-body shake reduction, etc, so don't get too excited that you will automatically experience an upgrade just by virtue of switching brands. I have many photography friends and NONE of them shoot Pentax and I swear every time I pick up one of their cameras and prepare to be impressed, I actually feel like they are missing out.

You mention action shooting and I bet there are other systems that excel in faster acquisition or more complete frame coverage, so perhaps you can find a system more fitting for your shooting style, and coming from a K20, you will be pleased with any upgrade, even to Pentax. Good luck in the search!
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Find someone with a Nikon D90 or D80, swap cameras for a day with similar lenses. That will tell you if you'd be better off with a nikon, d90/80 are the equivalent to k20/10. I personally find that Pentax cameras are easier and more comfortable to use and a lot more intuitive.

In general if you find a D90 easier to use than your K20, then a D7000 would probably be more suitable to you than a K5. Keep in mind I have friends that use nikon and canon and all of them find that my K10d is more ergonomic and comfortable to use than their bodies.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Buschmaster Quote
Well, I'd hate to call my K20D "ancient" but I do understand your point. I'm more so basing my opinion on current Pentax on all those on here who have them. People call the sensor points "dinner plate sized" and the focus speed "molasses" so it's a bit troubling. If I'm dropping a bunch of money into a system again, I need to know it's right for me, make sense?

I hate the way the Canon bodies look/feel but maybe I'd just need to get used to it...
I agree with you on the focus point size and find it to be the biggest handicap.

Speed is quite good, but I'm using ok lenses for that. It's far from "Molasses", I can say that with certainty.

On the original K-5, I deal with FF under dark conditions with the FA35. Said to have been resolved with the new II version AF system, but it appears the large AF points remain.

The problem with the AF points is that they are large in the display, yes, but the actual AF area is larger than the point. Much larger. I don't know if they are trying to assume the role of multiple points, which essentially this mimics with such large areas dedicated to a single point, but it is sometimes crippling. Not all the time, but at times, yes.

I'm able to adapt and knowingly bought the K-5 with these drawbacks in mind, despite having used the D7000 (whose AF is a bit better, but the major difference remains as the AF point size).

I also use the 5DII example a lot, as it's responsible for some of the world's greatest shots over the last few years, and its AF performance isn't that great. Comparable to Pentax in certain conditions. Yet it got the shots because people were using the cams and figured them out.

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Each system has its pros and cons, you should know that there is no perfect camera.
Most DSLR users don't use their camera to the full potential and blame it on the gear.

AF is VERY dependant on the lens used (CA's, AF motor, f-stop) so you would be best off testing the exact camera/lens combination you want to purchase.

I haven't had problems with AF on my K-5 yet, the .13 firmware update improved the focusing speed a lot. It seems to just snap into focus now. (Screw-drive AF)
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikeSF Quote
I know we sometimes read reviews that extol another platform's better AF capability or whatnot. Keep in mind that same camera is probably lacking in some other feature, ie weather sealing, in-body shake reduction, etc, so don't get too excited that you will automatically experience an upgrade just by virtue of switching brands. I have many photography friends and NONE of them shoot Pentax and I swear every time I pick up one of their cameras and prepare to be impressed, I actually feel like they are missing out.
So true, I used a friends D7000 once and while it was a nice camera, it struggled to focus on an off-centre focus point in a slightly dim room.

To the OP: Play with some new bodies, see what you like. Base your choice on what suits you. Keep in mind Pentax have new camera models coming and they should represent a vast step forward and maybe what you are looking for without spending heaps of cash switching brands.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mcnicko Quote
d90/80 are the equivalent to k20/10.
Size-wise, maybe, but in terms of performance, the entry-level K-x is closer than K20/K10.

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have fun clunking through the ill-designed user interface of the D90...gee that thing is old fashioned.
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I think I sparked quite the debate here, and although some posts just weren't incredibly helpful, I received all the info I needed!

I went ahead and ordered the K30 kit while the price was down at $619. I also got it in white so it would have some contrast from my black K20D. I'm incredibly excited!
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QuoteOriginally posted by mikeSF Quote
have fun clunking through the ill-designed user interface of the D90...gee that thing is old fashioned.
I'm not going to talk against the interface, but several people I know are on D90s, producing sellable results.
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I'm not going to talk against the interface, but several people I know are on D90s, producing sellable results.
i wasn't referring to the IQ, just the old fashioned menu arrangement. It really made me appreciate my Pentax.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Alizarine Quote
Size-wise, maybe, but in terms of performance, the entry-level K-x is closer than K20/K10.
I was talking more about the feel of the thing. I've got a close friend with a D80 and it's pretty much on par with my K10d in every aspect.

Now the menu system is pretty much unusable in a nikon d80 from my point of view too.

IQ depends too much on lens choice and the editing abilities of the user so it's useless going there.
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If the K-5 had full manual controls in video mode, it would have killed the Canon 5D. I still pray for a firmware update, or a hack...
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I don't want to undercut Pentax here any, because I love their cameras and I hope they always make them. But if you are hesitant to buy a new K-5 or K-30, and you don't seem to be against used stuff, try out the K-7. They're getting cheaper every day on ebay. They shoot 720p video instead of 1080 (both have a built-in mic) and it has a slightly slower continuous shooting rate. Images from either one will look great if they are done properly. (But that's true from any camera make.) I'm just getting into digital photography on my own terms, but so far I would have to agree with Bossa from above and concur that it is mostly the lens that makes the biggest difference in focusing speed. Another thing to consider is, since you are shooting sports, is that if you want shake-reduction with either a Nikon or Canon, you have to buy it on each lens, where as Pentax has it built into the body so that you can use it on any lens.
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