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06-05-2013, 04:10 PM   #1
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is resistance futile? (upgrade K200D to K-30)

I have an old but virtually new k200d and an 18-15-35mm lens, I need a voice of reason to talk me down from wanting to upgrade to a K30 for an upcoming trip overseas, should probly just invest in a fancy lens but the call of technical advances is strong what would you guys do as a casual shooter in my case?

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The best thing for you is to learn how to learn your camera. You will not become a better photographer by purchasing newer gear. Your photos will not become 'better'. Especially so if you still have not learned your old dSLR.

Improve yourself, and your photos will follow. Then, perhaps look into gear. If you must have a lens to look at, choose something of the 50mm variety. Pentax has oodles of different 50mm ranging from $40 to $600+. If you purchase an older manual version from the 1970's such as the SMC Pentax M 50mm 1:1.7 you will be forced to use it in fully manual mode and thus learn the concepts which you should master.

But first things first: Learn the principles of photography! Here are some links that I wish I had read when I was completely green.

This one is a way to play around with the technical aspect of Aperture, Shutterspeed, and ISO and how they're all interrelated: Play | Canon Explains Exposure
The second is about making 'good' photos: Guidelines for Better Photographic Composition.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Erikka Quote
I have an old but virtually new k200d and an 18-15-35mm lens, I need a voice of reason to talk me down from wanting to upgrade to a K30 for an upcoming trip overseas, should probly just invest in a fancy lens but the call of technical advances is strong what would you guys do as a casual shooter in my case?
Yes, it is - there will be a marked and noticeable improvement in overall image quality moving from the K200d to the K30. I would try to find a reasonably priced used one, and get a pentax 16-45mm F4 lens to get a better quality lens for a reasonable price (usually between $220-250 used in the marketplace here on the forum). If you're travelling in Europe (or anywhere with older cities where architecture is more close knit), having 16mm vs 18mm at the wide end will be a noticeable difference.
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Funny thing, I was actually watching Star Trek when I read this.
Resistance is futile.

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Gerbermiester is right, IMO. For what it's worth, I get excellent results from an old *istDS, which is a couple of generations older than yours. Sure, you'll get a bit smoother image quality & better high ISO performance out of a K30... But unless you've outgrown the technical abilities of the K200D, buying another camera isn't going to magically give you "better" photos.

The K200D is an excellent camera, by the way.
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Come to the dork, er I mean dark side!

I'll reiterate what Gerbermiester said...it's mainly the person behind the camera that makes the shot great. Essentially a camera is a box that lets light in and can manipulate it a bit. Yes, the K30 has more megapixels, and a more advanced sensor. But what do you plan to do with the images. Will you blow them up to large proportions? That's when the higher ISO, the better resolution will really make its presence known.

Here's a side-by-side compare of your camera with the K-30. Are there features you HAVE to have? Is it worth the dollar difference?

I love my K30, and would recommend it highly. But is it worth the expense to gain those features? Up to you.
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Checkout this thread for a BUNCH of K200D examples.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/pentax-dslr-discussion/129204-anyone-else-miss-k200d.html

It's a great camera that still renders outstanding shots!
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you guys are so right, usually it's me who dissuades ppl from computer hardware upgrades because in the real world would the difference be noticeable or not,.... my k200d is still smarter than I am by a long shot, so am packing her up with me on the way to Ireland and then Sweden.......

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QuoteOriginally posted by Reliant K1000 Quote
I'll reiterate what Gerbermiester said...it's mainly the person behind the camera that makes the shot great. Essentially a camera is a box that lets light in and can manipulate it a bit. Yes, the K30 has more megapixels, and a more advanced sensor. But what do you plan to do with the images. Will you blow them up to large proportions? That's when the higher ISO, the better resolution will really make its presence known. Here's a side-by-side compare of your camera with the K-30. Are there features you HAVE to have? Is it worth the dollar difference? I love my K30, and would recommend it highly. But is it worth the expense to gain those features? Up to you.
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I would save my money and get comfy with the 200D. I love my K-30 but I spent several years with my *istDL before upgrading. Just my 2 cents

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QuoteOriginally posted by pxpaulx Quote
Yes, it is - there will be a marked and noticeable improvement in overall image quality moving from the K200d to the K30. I would try to find a reasonably priced used one, and get a pentax 16-45mm F4 lens to get a better quality lens for a reasonable price (usually between $220-250 used in the marketplace here on the forum).
Where's the better IQ? Only in low light or especially demanding situations. I kept my K200D for a reason, and there are times I'd rather use it than my K-5 or K-5 IIs. Sometimes the photos look better from its CCD sensor. It even takes a battery grip (which I make good use of, and they're probably still available relatively cheap). In any case, I don't notice the difference between 10MP and 16MP for most shooting.

Your lens recommendation is good - a DA16-45/4 or better lens would be a great idea. I acquired quite a few quality lenses before I bought a more expensive body, and the K200D works really well with them (in fact it still seems to be my preferred body for MF lenses).
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QuoteOriginally posted by DSims Quote
Where's the better IQ? Only in low light or especially demanding situations. I kept my K200D for a reason, and there are times I'd rather use it than my K-5 or K-5 IIs. Sometimes the photos look better from its CCD sensor. It even takes a battery grip (which I make good use of, and they're probably still available relatively cheap). In any case, I don't notice the difference between 10MP and 16MP for most shooting.

Your lens recommendation is good - a DA16-45/4 or better lens would be a great idea. I acquired quite a few quality lenses before I bought a more expensive body, and the K200D works really well with them (in fact it still seems to be my preferred body for MF lenses).
Well, travel can definitely present low light and demanding situations - photos from a trip usually run the gamut of different opportunity. A night time shot in a reasonably well lit city at iso800 is probably going to be a miss, while being able to stretch to iso 6400 might produce (if not print worthy) at least a reasonable capture for web/pc viewing. To me the upgrade is significant in that those kind of shots would be missed with the K200d (not to mention the K30 likely has a marginal bump in SR capability of likely another stop). So, while I 100% agree that the K200d is still a worthwhile camera for landscape and other situations with good lighting, if I were taking an overseas trip (costing a not insignificant amount), I'd want to also make sure I had a more current camera to capture those memories. Heck though, if cost were an issue and the OP was already going to keep the k200d in any case, I'd say compliment it with a K-x which is still a very good bump in low light performance.
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