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06-24-2013, 10:03 AM   #1
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K30 w/ 18-135mm or K5 w/ 18-55mm AL WR & SMCP-DA 50-200mm WR

Im new to buying a DSLR but had narrowed it down to the K 30 w/ 18-135 WR DA ( Pentax K-30 Digital SLR Camera with 18-135 WR (Weather Resistant) DA Lens, Black 15635 ) but now i see the K5 for super cheap in a bundle w/ 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL "WR" Zoom Lens & SMCP-DA 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED "WR" ( Pentax K-5 Camera w/18-55mm Lens, Bundle w/Pentax 50-200mm Lens & MORE 14762 C ) .

Questions are is the K5 that out of date that i should not get it?
Are lenses that come with K5 worth it?
Is the tech in the k30 better than k5?
The k50 is coming out will price drop enven farther on the K30 or K5?
how do the 3 kit lenses compare to each other?

As a newb i just dont know, I plan on taking concert photos inside and outside, nature scenes, macro, portrait

06-24-2013, 10:27 AM   #2
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I would get the K5 due to the expanded ISO, more dynamic range, and 14 bit raw. Later on you can always get more lenses, though I do like the 18-135 I have!
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QuoteOriginally posted by biscohuffer Quote
is the K5 that out of date that i should not get it?
k-30 and k-5 use essentially the same sensor. Some things are better on k-30 some on k-5
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Are lenses that come with K5 worth it?
Depends on your needs. They are not DA* glass. But for most folks perfectly fine. As kit lenses go the Pentax 18-55 is one of the best. I do think based on experience that the 18-135 is noticeably better than those however.
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Is the tech in the k30 better than k5?
Depends. K-30 has focus peaking and some other goodies. But the k-5 has other things that the k-30 does not check the comparison here: Pentax Cameras | Pentax K-5 vs. Pentax K-30 vs. Pentax K-01 - Pentax DSLR Comparison - PentaxForums.com
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The k50 is coming out will price drop enven farther on the K30 or K5?
Maybe. But I think we are close to bottom at this point.
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how do the 3 kit lenses compare to each other?
I think the 18-135 is superior. And the price reflects that. It is hard to find that lens for under $400.
06-24-2013, 11:05 AM   #4
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If you are serious about inside concert and/or macro, I suggest you make one of the two lenses be better for one of these.

A used non AF macro lens is not very expensive. Or a pentax 50mm f1.7 (M or A) with a cheap teleconveter, extension tube, or possibly a two element diopter, will be good for macro; and the same lens is ideal for concert/theater--if the FL works from where you are sitting-and if you are OK with manual focus.

Ideal for inside concert is a fast (f/2.8) zoom in the 50-135mm (or possibly 70-200mm) range--but if AF they are very costly. Actually a fast short FL (or shorter FL range zoom) can be useful--but it really depends on the venue, where you sit, want you want to capture, etc.

The lenses you mention are not good for macro, inside concert, or (IMO) really that good for scenery. They are general consensus lenses--and as such one would be a good introduction--but again not for demands of indoor concert or macro.

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Regarding your Questions:

Is the K5 that out of date that i should not get it?
No. I just bought a second K5 [a second hand one this time as I wanted 2 cameras]

Are lenses that come with K5 worth it?
Depends on you. These are all kit lenses. They are fine for beginners. Many people outgrow them but many dont. Nobody can answer that question for you.

Is the tech in the k30 better than k5?
In some areas. See this link:
Head to Head: Pentax K-30 Vs. Pentax K-5 - DigitalCameraInfo.com
Personally I dont think the changes in tech are significant enough for that to be the difference. For its price the K30 has good features.

The k50 is coming out will price drop enven farther on the K30 or K5?
There wont be many new K5 cameras out there. So the chances of getting a better deal is low. The best deals are going to be on slightly used K5 bodies.

how do the 3 kit lenses compare to each other?
There are all kit lenses. No great differences. The 18-135 however has a DC motor that is near silent and focus is somewhat faster. Its better that way. It is also a single lens solution so you dont need to change lenses often but the reach is shorter.

As a newb i just dont know, I plan on taking concert photos inside and outside, nature scenes, macro, portrait
If you plan of taking concert photos indoors, none of these lenses will really take photos that are good but good is subjective.

A good lens for indoor concert photos will need along lens that is also fast [fast = able to take a bright well exposed picture in low light for your purposes] something between 800-1200 dollars just for the lens [tamron 70-200 f2.8 or pentax 50-135 f2.8 etc ] The 50-200 will give you more reach than the 18-135 but unless you are shooting in really good light the results will not be great. You could of course buy a long and fast lens later.

If I were a beginner I would probably just get the K30 with the 18-135 and forget about indoor concerts and shoot everything else you listed first. Once I got more familiar with using the dslr I woud rent some fast long lenses and see what works and what I could afford.
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I'd get the K-30/18-135 kit. This lens is better than the other two and you can get decent macro shots at the long end. And when you get to shooting concerts down the road you won't have AF problems. IMO that's a huge reason to get the K-30 over the K-5 classic.
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You will have to spend much more on lenses before the camera body becomes a limiting factor in image quality (and even then the difference is dubious). Get the less expensive body with the better lens. The camera body will rapidly depreciate anyway, but most lenses won't, so the less you spend on the body the less money you can lose in depreciation when you sell it later.

Now save your money until you have whatever level of lenses you are satisfied with.
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Adorama seems to have the same K30 with 18-135 And 100 gift card here: Pentax K-30 Digital SLR Camera w/18-135 WR DA Lens Black BUNDLE +$100 Gift Card 15635 A for the same price ($ 947).
if you bundled with the 1.8 50mm for $ 117 (buy together and save) - you'd have a somewhat faster lens for inside use. Another option...

QuoteOriginally posted by biscohuffer Quote
Im new to buying a DSLR but had narrowed it down to the K 30 w/ 18-135 WR DA ( Pentax K-30 Digital SLR Camera with 18-135 WR (Weather Resistant) DA Lens, Black 15635 ) but now i see the K5 for super cheap in a bundle w/ 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 AL "WR" Zoom Lens & SMCP-DA 50-200mm f/4-5.6 ED "WR" ( Pentax K-5 Camera w/18-55mm Lens, Bundle w/Pentax 50-200mm Lens & MORE 14762 C ) .

Questions are is the K5 that out of date that i should not get it?
Are lenses that come with K5 worth it?
Is the tech in the k30 better than k5?
The k50 is coming out will price drop enven farther on the K30 or K5?
how do the 3 kit lenses compare to each other?

As a newb i just dont know, I plan on taking concert photos inside and outside, nature scenes, macro, portrait


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I'd suggest getting a K-30 and the 18-135. I think the K-30 is a steal right now, and you may be replacing that sooner (now I don't mean in the near future ) than the 18-135.

One thing that can easily be overlooked with WR lenses is that conditions may not really allow you to switch lenses. I mean you may have the 18-55WR and 50-200WR, but that doesn't mean you can switch between the two if it you are in a sandstorm for example .
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