How Old Is "Old"?

Trawlerman · 11-15-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

It is quite alright!

Actually I believe the new Canikons cost about a dozen times what the GX10 or K10 would sell for today. The depreciation of digital film cameras is worse than new automobiles.

Tell me about it. I have a Minolta Dimage 7 kit from 2002 or so that cost me me £1500 for the camera, cards, reader, bag etc. The best offer I've had on it recently is £40. I'm keeping it as it's worth more to me than that. Most likely i'll donate to some worth soul one day.

**squareeyes** · 11-15-2013, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by jogiba

Really ?
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stevebrot · 11-16-2013, 11:31 AM

Originally posted by squareeyes

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Pity your selection of film cameras is so small. I do have good news, though. I heard a rumor that Ferrania will be resuming film production soon and that Instamatic (126) cartridge film will be one of the supported products.

Steve

(...possibly also 127 roll film as well

)

**JimJohnson** · 11-16-2013, 12:42 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Pity your selection of film cameras is so small. I do have good news, though. I heard a rumor that Ferrania will be resuming film production soon and that Instamatic (126) cartridge film will be one of the supported products.

Steve

(...possibly also 127 roll film as well

)

Good heavens - revenge of the Kodak Brownie!

Personally, I would LOVE to see 616 roll film come back to the market. I have several of these folding roll-film cameras. The images have a quality that is hard to duplicate.

wildman · 11-16-2013, 01:35 PM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

How Old Is "Old"?

When the new camera makes a real world practical difference in the pictures I can and do take.

So for me this happened only once with the K5 so everything is either pre or post K5 and is based only on the improved ISO performance alone in this case.

So far as I can tell the K3 does not give this quantum leap in performance over my K5 that the K5 gave over my old K20 so the "new" K3 does not render my K5 "old" at least for my purposes.

Racer X 69 · 11-16-2013, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by wildman

When the new camera makes a real world practical difference in the pictures I can and do take.

So for me this happened only once with the K5 so everything is either pre or post K5 and is based only on the improved ISO performance alone in this case.

So far as I can tell the K3 does not give this quantum leap in performance over my K5 that the K5 gave over my old K20 so the "new" K3 does not render my K5 "old" at least for my purposes.

This is probably the most profound response to the question, thus far.

Indeed, when there is enough of a change in function and performance then moving to the next level.

bwDraco · 11-18-2013, 08:35 PM

The K10D is, in my eyes, old. It was released seven years ago, and since then, things have advanced a whole lot. I do happen to have a Sony Mavica FD90, which is outright ancient by digital technology terms, having been released in 2000.

--DragonLord

Racer X 69 · 11-18-2013, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by DragonLord

I do happen to have a Sony Mavica FD90, which is outright ancient by digital technology terms, having been released in 2000.

Didn't those use the tiny CD's to record the pictures on?

Arjay Bee · 11-19-2013, 12:21 AM

I used a Mavica once that had a slot for 3.5" floppy disks. For event photography I had to have a box of ten in my bag so I could swap them out. That 1.2 mega pixel sensor really churned through the memory.

Wikipedia article here: Sony Mavica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In part says:
The later Digital Mavicas recorded onto 3.5" 1.4 MiB 2HD floppy disks in computer-readable DOS FAT12 format, a feature that made them very popular in the North American market. With the evolution of consumer digital camera resolution (megapixels), the advent of the USB interface and the rise of high-capacity storage media, Mavicas started to offer other alternatives for recording images: the floppy-disk (FD) Mavicas began to be Memory Stick compatible (initially through a Memory Stick Floppy Disk adapter, but ultimately through a dedicated Memory Stick slot), and a new CD Mavica series — which used 8 cm CD-R/CD-RW media — was released in 2000.

GibbyTheMole · 11-19-2013, 05:59 AM

To me, "old" is when my camera doesn't do what I want it to do anymore.

stevbike · 11-19-2013, 07:50 AM

As long as one can find the materials to get a camera working it is not old. Cameras like the old Brownie series that use either 616 or 620 film are now old due to fact that the is film no longer being made. I bought a Mavica MVC-FD71 that is still used. It is old in terms image quality but the basics how the image is created is the same. It creates an interesting image look.

bwDraco · 11-19-2013, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

Didn't those use the tiny CD's to record the pictures on?

The camera used floppy disks. Needless to say, these disks filled up very quickly.

For an idea on how the camera operates and its performance, see the review on my website.

--DragonLord

OldNoob · 11-19-2013, 07:48 PM

Can you believe i was considering taking out a personal loan to get one of these in 1995 LOL

Racer X 69 · 11-19-2013, 08:54 PM

Originally posted by OldNoob

Can you believe i was considering taking out a personal loan to get one of these in 1995 LOL

How much were they back then?

OldNoob · 11-20-2013, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by Racer X 69

How much were they back then?

If i recall it was somewhere between 8 and 9 thousand dollars. but within a couple years the value dropped so fast it was horrifying.

View Poll Results: How Old Is Old?
I have a K10 still use it and don't consider it old dirt is old	30	41.67%
I have a K10 Adam please make a subforum for it to hold a prestigous place among the K5, etc.	9	12.50%
I have a K10 it collects dust on the shelf next to the Ansel Adams camera I got off of eBay	4	5.56%
I can not bear to have anything as ancient as a K10	15	20.83%
If Pentax doesn't come out with a replacement for the K5IIs soon I think I'll go mad!	9	12.50%
What's a digital camera?	15	20.83%
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11-16-2013, 01:35 PM	#95
wildman Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Flyover America Posts: 4,469	Originally posted by Racer X 69 How Old Is "Old"? When the new camera makes a real world practical difference in the pictures I can and do take. So for me this happened only once with the K5 so everything is either pre or post K5 and is based only on the improved ISO performance alone in this case. So far as I can tell the K3 does not give this quantum leap in performance over my K5 that the K5 gave over my old K20 so the "new" K3 does not render my K5 "old" at least for my purposes. Last edited by wildman; 11-16-2013 at 01:59 PM.

11-19-2013, 07:50 AM	#101
stevbike Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Newbury, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 268	As long as one can find the materials to get a camera working it is not old. Cameras like the old Brownie series that use either 616 or 620 film are now old due to fact that the is film no longer being made. I bought a Mavica MVC-FD71 that is still used. It is old in terms image quality but the basics how the image is created is the same. It creates an interesting image look. Last edited by stevbike; 11-19-2013 at 03:20 PM.

11-19-2013, 08:57 AM	#102
bwDraco Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 1,071	Originally posted by Racer X 69 Didn't those use the tiny CD's to record the pictures on? The camera used floppy disks. Needless to say, these disks filled up very quickly. For an idea on how the camera operates and its performance, see the review on my website. --DragonLord Last edited by bwDraco; 11-19-2013 at 09:52 AM.

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11-15-2013, 12:17 PM	#91
Trawlerman Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Hull, Yorkshire, UK Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 210	Originally posted by Racer X 69 It is quite alright! Actually I believe the new Canikons cost about a dozen times what the GX10 or K10 would sell for today. The depreciation of digital film cameras is worse than new automobiles. Tell me about it. I have a Minolta Dimage 7 kit from 2002 or so that cost me me £1500 for the camera, cards, reader, bag etc. The best offer I've had on it recently is £40. I'm keeping it as it's worth more to me than that. Most likely i'll donate to some worth soul one day.

11-15-2013, 03:08 PM	#92
squareeyes Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 189	Originally posted by jogiba Really ? Roll Film \| B&H Photo Video Sheet Film \| B&H Photo Video Movie Film \| B&H Photo Video Instant Film \| B&H Photo Video Search Results No Results were found matching your search request for "cartridge instamatic".

11-16-2013, 11:31 AM	#93
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by squareeyes Search Results No Results were found matching your search request for "cartridge instamatic". Pity your selection of film cameras is so small. I do have good news, though. I heard a rumor that Ferrania will be resuming film production soon and that Instamatic (126) cartridge film will be one of the supported products. Steve (...possibly also 127 roll film as well )

11-16-2013, 12:42 PM	#94
JimJohnson Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Summer:Lake Superior - Michigan Winter:Texas Hill Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,772	Originally posted by stevebrot Pity your selection of film cameras is so small. I do have good news, though. I heard a rumor that Ferrania will be resuming film production soon and that Instamatic (126) cartridge film will be one of the supported products. Steve (...possibly also 127 roll film as well ) Good heavens - revenge of the Kodak Brownie! Personally, I would LOVE to see 616 roll film come back to the market. I have several of these folding roll-film cameras. The images have a quality that is hard to duplicate.

11-16-2013, 06:24 PM	#96
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,068 Original Poster	Originally posted by wildman When the new camera makes a real world practical difference in the pictures I can and do take. So for me this happened only once with the K5 so everything is either pre or post K5 and is based only on the improved ISO performance alone in this case. So far as I can tell the K3 does not give this quantum leap in performance over my K5 that the K5 gave over my old K20 so the "new" K3 does not render my K5 "old" at least for my purposes. This is probably the most profound response to the question, thus far. Indeed, when there is enough of a change in function and performance then moving to the next level.

11-18-2013, 08:35 PM	#97
bwDraco Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York Photos: Albums Posts: 1,071	The K10D is, in my eyes, old. It was released seven years ago, and since then, things have advanced a whole lot. I do happen to have a Sony Mavica FD90, which is outright ancient by digital technology terms, having been released in 2000. --DragonLord

11-18-2013, 09:17 PM	#98
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,068 Original Poster	Originally posted by DragonLord I do happen to have a Sony Mavica FD90, which is outright ancient by digital technology terms, having been released in 2000. Didn't those use the tiny CD's to record the pictures on?

11-19-2013, 12:21 AM	#99
Arjay Bee Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Horn Island, Torres Straits, Q Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,715	I used a Mavica once that had a slot for 3.5" floppy disks. For event photography I had to have a box of ten in my bag so I could swap them out. That 1.2 mega pixel sensor really churned through the memory. Wikipedia article here: Sony Mavica - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In part says: The later Digital Mavicas recorded onto 3.5" 1.4 MiB 2HD floppy disks in computer-readable DOS FAT12 format, a feature that made them very popular in the North American market. With the evolution of consumer digital camera resolution (megapixels), the advent of the USB interface and the rise of high-capacity storage media, Mavicas started to offer other alternatives for recording images: the floppy-disk (FD) Mavicas began to be Memory Stick compatible (initially through a Memory Stick Floppy Disk adapter, but ultimately through a dedicated Memory Stick slot), and a new CD Mavica series — which used 8 cm CD-R/CD-RW media — was released in 2000.

11-19-2013, 05:59 AM	#100
GibbyTheMole Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Iowa Photos: Albums Posts: 2,275	To me, "old" is when my camera doesn't do what I want it to do anymore.

11-19-2013, 07:48 PM	#103
OldNoob Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 402	Can you believe i was considering taking out a personal loan to get one of these in 1995 LOL

11-19-2013, 08:54 PM	#104
Racer X 69 Moderator Man With A Camera Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: The Great Pacific Northwet, in the Land Between Canada and Mexico Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,068 Original Poster	Originally posted by OldNoob Can you believe i was considering taking out a personal loan to get one of these in 1995 LOL How much were they back then?

11-20-2013, 01:20 AM	#105
OldNoob Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 402	Originally posted by Racer X 69 How much were they back then? If i recall it was somewhere between 8 and 9 thousand dollars. but within a couple years the value dropped so fast it was horrifying.