New K10D shutter count

aleonx3 · 03-22-2008, 10:48 AM

Hi, All, I consider myself a newbie with limited experience and knowledge in general photography. I did learn a great deal though from all the folks here in this forum (thanks!!

) since I purchased my K100D a year ago and have recently added the K10D; and I like them both.

I just noticed that when I purchased my K10D back in Jan/08 - the first photo I took had a shutter count of 86. Is this normal (should it be very low like 5-10)? or did I get a demo version instead? So far, I am very happy with the K10D since it does not appear to have any BF/FF problem as some people in this forum have identified - no reason to complian here - just curious. Thanks,

bymy141 · 03-22-2008, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by aleonx3

Hi, All, I consider myself a newbie with limited experience and knowledge in general photography. I did learn a great deal though from all the folks here in this forum (thanks!!

) since I purchased my K100D a year ago and have recently added the K10D; and I like them both.

I just noticed that when I purchased my K10D back in Jan/08 - the first photo I took had a shutter count of 86. Is this normal (should it be very low like 5-10)? or did I get a demo version instead? So far, I am very happy with the K10D since it does not appear to have any BF/FF problem as some people in this forum have identified - no reason to complian here - just curious. Thanks,

Yep, resulting conclusion from previous discussions on this forum is that all cameras have a shutter count in that range. We assume it is the result of factory QA.

- Bert

aleonx3 · 03-22-2008, 10:59 AM

Thanks, Bert, for a quick response. I am thinking about the same thing with a brand new car purchase, our new SUV came with about the same mileage (KM) -80 when I got the key from the dealer a year ago.

pentkon52 · 03-22-2008, 12:23 PM

All of the Dslr's i have purchased new, had 0 as shutter count, until i played with it at the store to make sure it was ok.

Dave

navcom · 03-22-2008, 12:54 PM

80 on a camera sounds about right. 80 miles on a new car sounds a bit high. My last truck I bought that was new had 5 miles on it. Sounds like the dealer took it home a few times!

Denis · 03-22-2008, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by pentkon52

All of the Dslr's i have purchased new, had 0 as shutter count, until i played with it at the store to make sure it was ok.

Dave

Mine was also at zero out of the box.

Denis

aleonx3 · 03-22-2008, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by pentkon52

All of the Dslr's i have purchased new, had 0 as shutter count, until i played with it at the store to make sure it was ok.

Dave

Dave, did you use PhotoME to get the shutter count? When I powered up my K10D the first time, I had to enter the time, time zone etc. - the file count starts with 0; but PhotoME reveals the actual count including manufacture date and revision number.

Originally posted by navcom

80 on a camera sounds about right. 80 miles on a new car sounds a bit high. My last truck I bought that was new had 5 miles on it. Sounds like the dealer took it home a few times!

Sorry, it was 80KM or about 50 miles on the odometer; I suspect that the dealer gave the car to potential buyers to test drive a few more rounds before I got the key.

Originally posted by Denis

Mine was also at zero out of the box.

Denis

Hi, Denis, same question for you... did you use PhotoME to get the count?
Thanks to all for your input.

les · 03-23-2008, 05:50 AM

Hi Denis,
I have photoME, but where in this software does it tell you the shutter count.
Thanks Les

Rickster · 03-23-2008, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by les

Hi Denis,
I have photoME, but where in this software does it tell you the shutter count.
Thanks Les

Look for "Shutter Count" at offset 5D in the Manufacturer's Notes (for the K10d)

aleonx3 · 03-23-2008, 02:40 PM

Dave/Denis,

Can you respond please? Did you use PhotoME to reveal the actual shutter count when you first get your brand new K10D? Thanks,

bymy141 · 03-23-2008, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by aleonx3

Dave/Denis,

Can you respond please? Did you use PhotoME to reveal the actual shutter count when you first get your brand new K10D? Thanks,

As far as I can remember, in the older discussions on this topic no member using PhotoME found a shutter count of 0. Of course all cameras started numbering photos at IMGP0000.

All cameras had a higher shutter count than that using PhotoME.
Three things may have happened:

1. Either Pentax trusts its manufacturing so now it thinks it can do with less QA, or
2. They've lower production costs by eliminating some QA steps at the risk of more DOA cameras with new purchases around the world.
3. The other people reporting shutter usage, have been looking at the IMGPXXXX counter.

- Bert

Rickster · 03-23-2008, 06:11 PM

My K10D had 232 shutter actuations out of the box.

aleonx3 · 03-23-2008, 09:44 PM

Thanks to Bert and Rick for your response. So, my conclusion is that there will be some shutter count (other than 0) for QA purposes when the camera is out of the manufacturing plant. The shutter count various depending on the QA process; there is nothing to worry about unless it is excessive high (I guess).

Thanks again to all,

frank · 03-23-2008, 11:54 PM

There is a software (ExifTool) to check the actual shutter count of pretty much any dSLR camera. I checked my K20D, and found the camera had about 300 clicks before it was put in box in the factory, although the out of box file no. started from 0001...

aleonx3 · 03-24-2008, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by frank

There is a software (ExifTool) to check the actual shutter count of pretty much any dSLR camera. I checked my K20D, and found the camera had about 300 clicks before it was put in box in the factory, although the out of box file no. started from 0001...

Frank, I guess PhotoME does the same thing. One can change the file no. starting from 0001 via software reset (set everything back to default). However, I believe the shutter count field will never get reset (unless there is a special way known by the manufacturer only or hackers).

It is nice and comforting to know though; this could mean that more QA works are done to the K20D before leaving the manufacturing plant.

03-22-2008, 10:48 AM	#1
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	New K10D shutter count Hi, All, I consider myself a newbie with limited experience and knowledge in general photography. I did learn a great deal though from all the folks here in this forum (thanks!!) since I purchased my K100D a year ago and have recently added the K10D; and I like them both. I just noticed that when I purchased my K10D back in Jan/08 - the first photo I took had a shutter count of 86. Is this normal (should it be very low like 5-10)? or did I get a demo version instead? So far, I am very happy with the K10D since it does not appear to have any BF/FF problem as some people in this forum have identified - no reason to complian here - just curious. Thanks,

03-22-2008, 10:50 AM	#2
bymy141 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,563	Originally posted by aleonx3 Hi, All, I consider myself a newbie with limited experience and knowledge in general photography. I did learn a great deal though from all the folks here in this forum (thanks!!) since I purchased my K100D a year ago and have recently added the K10D; and I like them both. I just noticed that when I purchased my K10D back in Jan/08 - the first photo I took had a shutter count of 86. Is this normal (should it be very low like 5-10)? or did I get a demo version instead? So far, I am very happy with the K10D since it does not appear to have any BF/FF problem as some people in this forum have identified - no reason to complian here - just curious. Thanks, Yep, resulting conclusion from previous discussions on this forum is that all cameras have a shutter count in that range. We assume it is the result of factory QA. - Bert

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03-22-2008, 10:59 AM	#3
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996 Original Poster	Thanks, Bert, for a quick response. I am thinking about the same thing with a brand new car purchase, our new SUV came with about the same mileage (KM) -80 when I got the key from the dealer a year ago.

03-22-2008, 12:23 PM	#4
pentkon52 Veteran Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: York Region Canada Posts: 641	All of the Dslr's i have purchased new, had 0 as shutter count, until i played with it at the store to make sure it was ok. Dave

03-22-2008, 12:54 PM	#5
navcom Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Minnesota USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 807	80 on a camera sounds about right. 80 miles on a new car sounds a bit high. My last truck I bought that was new had 5 miles on it. Sounds like the dealer took it home a few times!

03-22-2008, 12:56 PM	#6
Denis Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: St-Albert, Alberta, Canada Posts: 330	Originally posted by pentkon52 All of the Dslr's i have purchased new, had 0 as shutter count, until i played with it at the store to make sure it was ok. Dave Mine was also at zero out of the box. Denis

03-22-2008, 01:27 PM	#7
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996 Original Poster	Originally posted by pentkon52 All of the Dslr's i have purchased new, had 0 as shutter count, until i played with it at the store to make sure it was ok. Dave Dave, did you use PhotoME to get the shutter count? When I powered up my K10D the first time, I had to enter the time, time zone etc. - the file count starts with 0; but PhotoME reveals the actual count including manufacture date and revision number. Originally posted by navcom 80 on a camera sounds about right. 80 miles on a new car sounds a bit high. My last truck I bought that was new had 5 miles on it. Sounds like the dealer took it home a few times! Sorry, it was 80KM or about 50 miles on the odometer; I suspect that the dealer gave the car to potential buyers to test drive a few more rounds before I got the key. Originally posted by Denis Mine was also at zero out of the box. Denis Hi, Denis, same question for you... did you use PhotoME to get the count? Thanks to all for your input.

03-23-2008, 05:50 AM	#8
les Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: HARTLEPOOL Posts: 1	Hi Denis, I have photoME, but where in this software does it tell you the shutter count. Thanks Les

03-23-2008, 07:34 AM	#9
Rickster Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SE Idaho - Rocky Mtns Photos: Gallery Posts: 580	Originally posted by les Hi Denis, I have photoME, but where in this software does it tell you the shutter count. Thanks Les Look for "Shutter Count" at offset 5D in the Manufacturer's Notes (for the K10d)

03-23-2008, 02:40 PM	#10
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996 Original Poster	Dave/Denis, Can you respond please? Did you use PhotoME to reveal the actual shutter count when you first get your brand new K10D? Thanks,

03-23-2008, 02:47 PM	#11
bymy141 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,563	Originally posted by aleonx3 Dave/Denis, Can you respond please? Did you use PhotoME to reveal the actual shutter count when you first get your brand new K10D? Thanks, As far as I can remember, in the older discussions on this topic no member using PhotoME found a shutter count of 0. Of course all cameras started numbering photos at IMGP0000. All cameras had a higher shutter count than that using PhotoME. Three things may have happened: 1. Either Pentax trusts its manufacturing so now it thinks it can do with less QA, or 2. They've lower production costs by eliminating some QA steps at the risk of more DOA cameras with new purchases around the world. 3. The other people reporting shutter usage, have been looking at the IMGPXXXX counter. - Bert

03-23-2008, 06:11 PM	#12
Rickster Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SE Idaho - Rocky Mtns Photos: Gallery Posts: 580	My K10D had 232 shutter actuations out of the box.

03-23-2008, 09:44 PM	#13
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996 Original Poster	Thanks to Bert and Rick for your response. So, my conclusion is that there will be some shutter count (other than 0) for QA purposes when the camera is out of the manufacturing plant. The shutter count various depending on the QA process; there is nothing to worry about unless it is excessive high (I guess). Thanks again to all,

03-23-2008, 11:54 PM	#14
frank Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Singapore Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,202	There is a software (ExifTool) to check the actual shutter count of pretty much any dSLR camera. I checked my K20D, and found the camera had about 300 clicks before it was put in box in the factory, although the out of box file no. started from 0001...

03-24-2008, 04:40 AM	#15
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996 Original Poster	Originally posted by frank There is a software (ExifTool) to check the actual shutter count of pretty much any dSLR camera. I checked my K20D, and found the camera had about 300 clicks before it was put in box in the factory, although the out of box file no. started from 0001... Frank, I guess PhotoME does the same thing. One can change the file no. starting from 0001 via software reset (set everything back to default). However, I believe the shutter count field will never get reset (unless there is a special way known by the manufacturer only or hackers). It is nice and comforting to know though; this could mean that more QA works are done to the K20D before leaving the manufacturing plant.