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05-21-2015, 03:48 PM   #91
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QuoteOriginally posted by Piotrek K Quote
Just one of the first snaps from this setup below.
Great shot and good to see this thread get a revival Piotrek.
I am still using the K20D - I have the M40 and enjoy it so yes the K20 does become a walk around rig. Now the K3 is my main camera the K20 does fine back up as the Digital spottie and has the adapter ring almost permanently attached so all the M42 lenses go straight on while the K3 handles the autofocus and colourful lenses.
At some shoots having two systems K20 with manual focus and takumars and K3 with DA lenses makes a fun versatile setup and stops all that fiddling with adapters. Examples are from a shoot earlier in the month posted in the Takumar thread and the K3 examples thread.

I look forward to seeing more of your images - if this is just a snap I especially look forward to seeing a more planned shot. :-)

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Revived old thread to replace some images

Missing images -
ESII taken using this setup:




Injinoo Boat Ramp:


Seisia Beach




Other images with K20 BW






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Thanks for the very helpful post!

QuoteOriginally posted by Kobayashi.K Quote
To see if BW support is consistent with the newer camera's I searched in the PDF manuals with keywords 'Custom Image', 'Monochrome' and 'black and white'.

These camera's can directly shoot in BW (Custom Image = BW):

Jun 2013 | K-50
Jun 2013 | K-500
Jun 2013 | Q-7
Apr 2013 | Ricoh GR
Jan 2013 | WG-3
Jan 2013 | WG-10
Jan 2013 | MX-1
Sep 2012 | K-5 IIs
Sep 2012 | K-5 II
Sep 2012 | Q-10
Aug 2012 | X-5
May 2012 | K-30
Feb 2012 | K-01
Feb 2012 | Optio WG-2
Jun 2011 | Q
Feb 2011 | Optio WG-1
Sep 2010 | K-5
Sep 2010 | K-r
Feb 2010 | X-90
Sep 2009 | K-x
May 2009 | K-7
Mar 2009 | X-70
Sep 2008 | K-m (K2000 for US)
Jan 2008 | K20D
Jan 2008 | K200D

It seems the following camera's can only convert the image to BW after it is taken (with Processing):

Jun 2007 | K100D
Jun 2007 | K100D Super
Jan 2006 | *ist DL2
Sep 2006 | K10D
Jun 2005 | *ist DL
Aug 2005 | *ist DS2
Aug 2004 | *ist DS

The *ist D has nothing for BW, not even processing:
Feb 2003 | *ist D

For more camera manuals see:
Operation Manuals Download : Support & Service | RICOH IMAGING

The GR is a special case because relatively many people are shooting black and white with it. It has three different BW filters: BW, BW(T) and BW(Hi). See also the following review:
The F-Stops Here - Ricoh GR - Return of the Legend
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For some reason, when I open this thread, Malwarebytes warns me that ImageBB is a suspect site - has anyone any experience of this, or is Malwarebytes just being extra cautious ?

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QuoteOriginally posted by Kobayashi.K Quote
Due to the character of this thread some people are forcedly trying to mimic 'authentic' film features like grain, which in my view is a misplaced form of Romanticism. As a former film-shooter I can say that in the film era most wanted to get images with as less grain as possible, just as digital shooters are avoiding noise now.
So, while I sympathize with the idea of setting up a digital camera for black and white, and even to avoid post-processing (which is already disputable) a legal application is definitely to get an image with a high IQ.
Okay, I get that I am replying to this post about 4 years later, but I think it's important to do so.

I agree that in part of the film era within a particular segment of photographic practitioners "most wanted to get images with as less grain as possible, just as digital shooters are avoiding noise now."

However without those qualifiers I think it is untrue, even if we are talking about the tail end of the pre-digital film era, when a photographer might want to shoot some extremely fine to grainless images for some of his/her work, and would shoot a particular film and require a particular kind of processing for that result.

On the other hand, the very same photographer might for other kinds of work push the ASA of Tri-X out the wahzoo. Sure there were ways to process Tri-X to get finer grain, but there was always grain--still Tri-X was one of the most popular films ever made.

Additionally, if we look across the breath of the film era, we find many, many of the greatest pictures ever taken exhibited grain. Dismissing grain as Romanticism goes a bit to far; grain, graininess, grain-like textures are merely part of the toolbox of the photographer. They may be used, like any other tool, successfully or unsuccessfully. Grainlessness is but one more such tool, and it can be used poorly at times as well. Grainlessness provides no guarantee of artfulness.



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For some reason, when I open this thread, Malwarebytes warns me that ImageBB is a suspect site - has anyone any experience of this, or is Malwarebytes just being extra cautious ?
No Malwarebytes here.

No troubles here.
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For some reason, when I open this thread, Malwarebytes warns me that ImageBB is a suspect site - has anyone any experience of this, or is Malwarebytes just being extra cautious ?
I have Malwarebytes installed - no alerts at my end. ImageBB is a lovely clean site with no ads and works very well for image hosting services - strongly endorse them.

I agree with your comments goatsNdonkey. The use of papers to emphasise the grain could equally be called an affectation but as you said is just another tool.

Now perhaps we should put this thread back to sleep...
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Now perhaps we should put this thread back to sleep...
I can always close it.

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Thanks Racer - just leave it to hibernate. I may need to add more again down the track...
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14,6 sensor is still great for B&W - with Rikenon P 28/2.8
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