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**Digitalis** · 02-21-2020, 10:26 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Haven't you heard that you can't do BIF with older Pentax cameras? I guess you haven't

No, I haven't..and even if I did I wouldn't pay any attention. I've done Bee in flight photos with the K10D too; Next challenge?

**rayallen** · 02-21-2020, 11:58 PM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

I never get tired of looking at the pictures you come up with, or of saying how nice they are

Same with most others here in the Club actually!

Thank you so much, CR, for your kind words. I'll take that as a compliment. I will try to keep the standard high.

**cartesio** · 02-23-2020, 06:49 AM - **2 Likes**

**paulh** · 02-23-2020, 11:59 AM - **2 Likes**

'65 Mustang GT at the Coppell, TX carshow. DA16-45 on K10D:

**rayallen** · 02-24-2020, 07:50 PM - **10 Likes**

Lilly Pilly Flowers. K10D and Tamron SP AF 90mm F2.8 Di Macro.

yucafrita · 02-24-2020, 10:37 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rayallen

Lilly Pilly Flowers. K10D and Tamron SP AF 90mm F2.8 Di Macro.

I really like how these colors pop. I wonder if a modern camera like K1 as a variant with a CCD sensor would sell. Since Ricoh do some IR models, why not an CCD limited edition.

Dartmoor Dave · 02-25-2020, 02:15 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by yucafrita

I really like how these colors pop. I wonder if a modern camera like K1 as a variant with a CCD sensor would sell. Since Ricoh do some IR models, why not an CCD limited edition.

A full frame CCD camera from Pentax would be a wonderful thing, but sadly I don't think it'll ever happen. CCD sensors have to be made using a specialised production process, while CMOS sensors can be made in the same factories that produce other types of computer chips too. That's the main reason why CMOS has taken over in the digital camera world, because it's cheaper and more profitable. When I think of the amazing quality of full frame CCD sensors that we'd have by now if it hadn't been for the cost factor, it's really quite depressing.

For us CCD fans, the 10MP sensor in the K10D was really the peak of the technology at APS-C size. For full frame we'd have to hand over a lot of cash for a used Leica M9, or we could go medium format with the Pentax 645D. New CCD cameras would certainly be possible, since CCD sensors are still made for other high-tech applications, but the prices of any new cameras using them would be eye-wateringly high because of the manufacturing costs.

But think about it this way: the K10D is probably the best bargain around for the quality you can get for the price. You could buy a dozen used K10Ds for the price of one used M9, and all the Pentax lenses you need for the price of one Leica lens.

**ivanvernon** · 02-25-2020, 09:20 AM

Originally posted by Dartmoor Dave

A full frame CCD camera from Pentax would be a wonderful thing, but sadly I don't think it'll ever happen. CCD sensors have to be made using a specialised production process, while CMOS sensors can be made in the same factories that produce other types of computer chips too. That's the main reason why CMOS has taken over in the digital camera world, because it's cheaper and more profitable. When I think of the amazing quality of full frame CCD sensors that we'd have by now if it hadn't been for the cost factor, it's really quite depressing.

For us CCD fans, the 10MP sensor in the K10D was really the peak of the technology at APS-C size. For full frame we'd have to hand over a lot of cash for a used Leica M9, or we could go medium format with the Pentax 645D. New CCD cameras would certainly be possible, since CCD sensors are still made for other high-tech applications, but the prices of any new cameras using them would be eye-wateringly high because of the manufacturing costs.

But think about it this way: the K10D is probably the best bargain around for the quality you can get for the price. You could buy a dozen used K10Ds for the price of one used M9, and all the Pentax lenses you need for the price of one Leica lens.

I have CCD in both K-10 and 645D. A used 645D can be had for somewhere between $1,500 and $3,000 depending on condition, number of shutter clicks, and whether lenses are included. The 645D does very well even when you have only one normal lens, the great FA 645 75mm, or if you are not into autofocus, there are lots of A-lenses available for around $100 each, including the fantastic 120mm-A 645 macro, one of the best macros on the market in my opinion. I do not believe there would be much point for Pentax to produce a CCD K-1 when these advanced medium format cameras are so readily available for fans of the CCD sensor.

**wtlwdwgn** · 02-25-2020, 07:58 PM - **8 Likes**

With the A 20mm f/2.8, 8 image merge.

**rayallen** · 02-25-2020, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by wtlwdwgn

With the A 20mm f/2.8, 8 image merge.

Wow! Sunrise or sunset, Steve?

**paulh** · 02-26-2020, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by rayallen

Wow! Sunrise or sunset, Steve?

Beautiful! I'm guessing it's sunrise due to the appearance of frost on the grass...?

**cartesio** · 02-26-2020, 03:35 AM - **2 Likes**

Rayallen, when I see picture like yours I thin the K10D has still a lot to say. I love its colours.

Dartmoor Dave · 02-26-2020, 06:03 AM - **5 Likes**

A standing stone at Merrivale, part of a prehistoric complex of standing stones, burial kists, and a stone row. The carved letter A is of uncertain date but obviously more recent, which in Dartmoor terms means the past thousand years or so. With the Zenitar 16mm.

**wtlwdwgn** · 02-26-2020, 08:07 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by rayallen

Wow! Sunrise or sunset, Steve?

Originally posted by paulh

Beautiful! I'm guessing it's sunrise due to the appearance of frost on the grass...?

Nope, it's a sunset. No frost here so it's likely just some backlighting. Thank you for the nice comments.

**paulh** · 02-26-2020, 11:47 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by Dartmoor Dave

With the Zenitar 16mm.

Fantastic, Dave!

Taken by my wife with the DA55-300 on K10D:

02-25-2020, 09:20 AM	#5468
ivanvernon Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Medina, OH Photos: Albums Posts: 7,224	Originally posted by Dartmoor Dave A full frame CCD camera from Pentax would be a wonderful thing, but sadly I don't think it'll ever happen. CCD sensors have to be made using a specialised production process, while CMOS sensors can be made in the same factories that produce other types of computer chips too. That's the main reason why CMOS has taken over in the digital camera world, because it's cheaper and more profitable. When I think of the amazing quality of full frame CCD sensors that we'd have by now if it hadn't been for the cost factor, it's really quite depressing. For us CCD fans, the 10MP sensor in the K10D was really the peak of the technology at APS-C size. For full frame we'd have to hand over a lot of cash for a used Leica M9, or we could go medium format with the Pentax 645D. New CCD cameras would certainly be possible, since CCD sensors are still made for other high-tech applications, but the prices of any new cameras using them would be eye-wateringly high because of the manufacturing costs. But think about it this way: the K10D is probably the best bargain around for the quality you can get for the price. You could buy a dozen used K10Ds for the price of one used M9, and all the Pentax lenses you need for the price of one Leica lens. I have CCD in both K-10 and 645D. A used 645D can be had for somewhere between $1,500 and $3,000 depending on condition, number of shutter clicks, and whether lenses are included. The 645D does very well even when you have only one normal lens, the great FA 645 75mm, or if you are not into autofocus, there are lots of A-lenses available for around $100 each, including the fantastic 120mm-A 645 macro, one of the best macros on the market in my opinion. I do not believe there would be much point for Pentax to produce a CCD K-1 when these advanced medium format cameras are so readily available for fans of the CCD sensor. Last edited by ivanvernon; 02-25-2020 at 09:27 AM. Reason: Text correction

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02-21-2020, 10:26 PM	#5461
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by ChristianRock Haven't you heard that you can't do BIF with older Pentax cameras? I guess you haven't No, I haven't..and even if I did I wouldn't pay any attention. I've done Bee in flight photos with the K10D too; Next challenge?

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rayallen Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Forresters Beach, NSW, Australia. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,014	Originally posted by ChristianRock I never get tired of looking at the pictures you come up with, or of saying how nice they are Same with most others here in the Club actually! Thank you so much, CR, for your kind words. I'll take that as a compliment. I will try to keep the standard high.

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rayallen Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Forresters Beach, NSW, Australia. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,014	Lilly Pilly Flowers. K10D and Tamron SP AF 90mm F2.8 Di Macro.

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yucafrita Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 459	Originally posted by rayallen Lilly Pilly Flowers. K10D and Tamron SP AF 90mm F2.8 Di Macro. I really like how these colors pop. I wonder if a modern camera like K1 as a variant with a CCD sensor would sell. Since Ricoh do some IR models, why not an CCD limited edition.

02-25-2020, 02:15 AM - 3 Likes	#5467
Dartmoor Dave Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Dartmoor, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,879	Originally posted by yucafrita I really like how these colors pop. I wonder if a modern camera like K1 as a variant with a CCD sensor would sell. Since Ricoh do some IR models, why not an CCD limited edition. A full frame CCD camera from Pentax would be a wonderful thing, but sadly I don't think it'll ever happen. CCD sensors have to be made using a specialised production process, while CMOS sensors can be made in the same factories that produce other types of computer chips too. That's the main reason why CMOS has taken over in the digital camera world, because it's cheaper and more profitable. When I think of the amazing quality of full frame CCD sensors that we'd have by now if it hadn't been for the cost factor, it's really quite depressing. For us CCD fans, the 10MP sensor in the K10D was really the peak of the technology at APS-C size. For full frame we'd have to hand over a lot of cash for a used Leica M9, or we could go medium format with the Pentax 645D. New CCD cameras would certainly be possible, since CCD sensors are still made for other high-tech applications, but the prices of any new cameras using them would be eye-wateringly high because of the manufacturing costs. But think about it this way: the K10D is probably the best bargain around for the quality you can get for the price. You could buy a dozen used K10Ds for the price of one used M9, and all the Pentax lenses you need for the price of one Leica lens.

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wtlwdwgn Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Billings, MT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,837	With the A 20mm f/2.8, 8 image merge.

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rayallen Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Forresters Beach, NSW, Australia. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,014	Originally posted by wtlwdwgn With the A 20mm f/2.8, 8 image merge. Wow! Sunrise or sunset, Steve?

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paulh Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: DFW Texas/Ventura County, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 33,237	Originally posted by rayallen Wow! Sunrise or sunset, Steve? Beautiful! I'm guessing it's sunrise due to the appearance of frost on the grass...?

02-26-2020, 03:35 AM - 2 Likes	#5472
cartesio Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2016 Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Rayallen, when I see picture like yours I thin the K10D has still a lot to say. I love its colours.

02-26-2020, 06:03 AM - 5 Likes	#5473
Dartmoor Dave Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Dartmoor, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,879	A standing stone at Merrivale, part of a prehistoric complex of standing stones, burial kists, and a stone row. The carved letter A is of uncertain date but obviously more recent, which in Dartmoor terms means the past thousand years or so. With the Zenitar 16mm.

02-26-2020, 08:07 AM - 1 Like	#5474
wtlwdwgn Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Billings, MT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 13,837	Originally posted by rayallen Wow! Sunrise or sunset, Steve? Originally posted by paulh Beautiful! I'm guessing it's sunrise due to the appearance of frost on the grass...? Nope, it's a sunset. No frost here so it's likely just some backlighting. Thank you for the nice comments.

02-26-2020, 11:47 AM - 3 Likes	#5475
paulh Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: DFW Texas/Ventura County, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 33,237	Originally posted by Dartmoor Dave With the Zenitar 16mm. Fantastic, Dave! Taken by my wife with the DA55-300 on K10D:

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