Originally posted by wtlwdwgn I agree that the K10D and K20D are great values now. BTW, these bodies do have live view. You can always start out with a used manual focus lens. They are great to learn on and often render better color and sharpness than the cheaper zooms. Just my two cents.
I am sorry to drop in without being asked, but K10D doesn't have LiveView. I've bought first a K5, and half a year later i bought K10D (supposed to be for my niece, but left it with me, as she can't be asked with all the hassle, what comes with an SLR). So my point is - better to buy a K5 with a good lens or two. I was really pleased, when i bought my DA50 1.8 and DA35 2.4, after having a kit lens what came with body. They are sharper, focus much quicker and main thing - you learn a lot of composition with prime lenses. I am not even talking about the limited lenses...
But at the same time don't throw away your 18-55 kit lens, if it is WR - i take it always with me if the weather forecast is bad.