when will we see a k3ii?

Cannikin · 06-02-2014, 04:07 PM

Before the Ricoh takeover, Pentax released flagship APS-C cameras on a regular 16 month cycle (K10D -> K20D -> K-7 -> K-5). Things got thrown off in the Hoya to Ricoh transistion, so we got a 2 year gap between the K-5 and K-5 II(s) (which was a relatively minor update), and then the K-3 1 year after that.

The K-5 II(s) was probably just rushed out with whatever technology improvements they had ready at the time (like the -3 EV AF) in order to get something out for Photokina 2012, and the K-3 was probably the true successor for which the technologies that were included in the K-5 II(s) were really developed for.

With that in mind, I'm fairly certain there will be no "K-3 II" (a minor update like the K-5 II), and that a successor APS-C flagship will show up somewhere between 16 months and 2 years (sometime in 2015). I definitely wouldn't expect a K-3 successor at Photokina 2014, which of course makes one wonder what they have in store. After all, in the last 4 Photokinas, Pentax has always made sure to announce something significant: in 2006, 2010 and 2012 they announced new APS-C flagships (K10D, K-5, K-5 II(s) respectively) and in 2008 they announced two DA* lenses. 2010 was also the year they announced the 645D in the spring, much like the 645Z was announced this spring.

walgarch · 06-02-2014, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Based on my having purchased my K-3 about a month ago, I would expect that the K3II and K3IIs should be announced any day now. Taking their cue from Nikon and Canon, there will be no additional features or improvements, just a name change.

Haha, let me get some ice for that burn!

RonHendriks1966 · 06-03-2014, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by DSims

Yes, from what they said they already developed it. The problem is that about a year ago they weren't completely happy with what they developed. They said they ran into a problem. I don't know what it was, but one of the possibilities was trouble getting satisfactory SR because it could require an image circle around 1.15x bigger than all these 35mm-format legacy lenses actually have. Alternatively they might have to crop the sensor output by about the same amount (similar to the 1.2 crop APS-H format Canon introduced a while back).

Originally posted by carlosodze

i would actually preffer a 1.2x-1.3x sensor than a FF.

I'm in for APS-H

Eyewanders · 06-03-2014, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by hcc

The K-3 is a beast. It is very capable at high ISO. A PF member even argued that it is better at high-ISO than the K-5iis (hence the K-30) when you downsize your shits to 16 Mp.

Hahaha... I think you mean "shots" - the alternative sounds like a horrible compromise.
Joking aside, is it possible to select 16Mp on the K-3? On mine the next step down is 14Mp not 16.

---------- Post added 06-03-14 at 09:07 AM ----------

Originally posted by stevebrot

Based on my having purchased my K-3 about a month ago, I would expect that the K3II and K3IIs should be announced any day now. Taking their cue from Nikon and Canon, there will be no additional features or improvements, just a name change.

Steve

Hear hear!

bdery · 06-03-2014, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by hcc

A PF member even argued that it is better at high-ISO than the K-5iis (hence the K-30) when you downsize your shits to 16 Mp.

Many of us have said that, based on experimentation.

Originally posted by Cannikin

I definitely wouldn't expect a K-3 successor at Photokina 2014, which of course makes one wonder what they have in store.

Lenses, I'm guessing. All of them being WR.

Originally posted by chickentender

Joking aside, is it possible to select 16Mp on the K-3? On mine the next step down is 14Mp not 16.

On mine it is 16 MP. It only works in JPEGs of course.

Eyewanders · 06-03-2014, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by bdery

On mine it is 16 MP. It only works in JPEGs of course.

Interesting... Are you sure of that and can you confirm it. I just looked at mine this morning. What firmware version are you running?

rawr · 06-03-2014, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by chickentender

I just looked at mine

Only 14MP for me too. That's what the menu says. Perhaps the actual output size in pixels of the images shot that way is larger though. The menu could be inaccurate.

---------- Post added 2014-06-04 at 07:46 AM ----------

Originally posted by asahi man

if 35mm ....

Those dots are driving me crazy

Please give us some more hints ....

LFLee · 06-03-2014, 02:51 PM

correction: PENTAX flagship is not K-3, it's 645D.

DSims · 06-03-2014, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by LFLee

correction: PENTAX flagship is not K-3, it's 645D.

Make that the 645Z (fully announced and due this month).

LFLee · 06-03-2014, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by DSims

Make that the 645Z (fully announced and due this month).

true that!

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06-02-2014, 04:07 PM	#16
Cannikin Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SW Washington Posts: 833	Before the Ricoh takeover, Pentax released flagship APS-C cameras on a regular 16 month cycle (K10D -> K20D -> K-7 -> K-5). Things got thrown off in the Hoya to Ricoh transistion, so we got a 2 year gap between the K-5 and K-5 II(s) (which was a relatively minor update), and then the K-3 1 year after that. The K-5 II(s) was probably just rushed out with whatever technology improvements they had ready at the time (like the -3 EV AF) in order to get something out for Photokina 2012, and the K-3 was probably the true successor for which the technologies that were included in the K-5 II(s) were really developed for. With that in mind, I'm fairly certain there will be no "K-3 II" (a minor update like the K-5 II), and that a successor APS-C flagship will show up somewhere between 16 months and 2 years (sometime in 2015). I definitely wouldn't expect a K-3 successor at Photokina 2014, which of course makes one wonder what they have in store. After all, in the last 4 Photokinas, Pentax has always made sure to announce something significant: in 2006, 2010 and 2012 they announced new APS-C flagships (K10D, K-5, K-5 II(s) respectively) and in 2008 they announced two DA* lenses. 2010 was also the year they announced the 645D in the spring, much like the 645Z was announced this spring.

06-02-2014, 09:20 PM	#17
walgarch Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 26	Originally posted by stevebrot Based on my having purchased my K-3 about a month ago, I would expect that the K3II and K3IIs should be announced any day now. Taking their cue from Nikon and Canon, there will be no additional features or improvements, just a name change. Haha, let me get some ice for that burn!

06-03-2014, 02:00 AM	#18
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by DSims Yes, from what they said they already developed it. The problem is that about a year ago they weren't completely happy with what they developed. They said they ran into a problem. I don't know what it was, but one of the possibilities was trouble getting satisfactory SR because it could require an image circle around 1.15x bigger than all these 35mm-format legacy lenses actually have. Alternatively they might have to crop the sensor output by about the same amount (similar to the 1.2 crop APS-H format Canon introduced a while back). Originally posted by carlosodze i would actually preffer a 1.2x-1.3x sensor than a FF. I'm in for APS-H

06-03-2014, 09:06 AM	#19
Eyewanders Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Land of the Salish Sea Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,343	Originally posted by hcc The K-3 is a beast. It is very capable at high ISO. A PF member even argued that it is better at high-ISO than the K-5iis (hence the K-30) when you downsize your shits to 16 Mp. Hahaha... I think you mean "shots" - the alternative sounds like a horrible compromise. Joking aside, is it possible to select 16Mp on the K-3? On mine the next step down is 14Mp not 16. ---------- Post added 06-03-14 at 09:07 AM ---------- Originally posted by stevebrot Based on my having purchased my K-3 about a month ago, I would expect that the K3II and K3IIs should be announced any day now. Taking their cue from Nikon and Canon, there will be no additional features or improvements, just a name change. Steve Hear hear!

06-03-2014, 10:05 AM	#20
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,357	Originally posted by hcc A PF member even argued that it is better at high-ISO than the K-5iis (hence the K-30) when you downsize your shits to 16 Mp. Many of us have said that, based on experimentation. Originally posted by Cannikin I definitely wouldn't expect a K-3 successor at Photokina 2014, which of course makes one wonder what they have in store. Lenses, I'm guessing. All of them being WR. Originally posted by chickentender Joking aside, is it possible to select 16Mp on the K-3? On mine the next step down is 14Mp not 16. On mine it is 16 MP. It only works in JPEGs of course.

06-03-2014, 12:41 PM	#21
Eyewanders Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Land of the Salish Sea Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,343	Originally posted by bdery On mine it is 16 MP. It only works in JPEGs of course. Interesting... Are you sure of that and can you confirm it. I just looked at mine this morning. What firmware version are you running?

06-03-2014, 02:42 PM	#22
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by chickentender I just looked at mine Only 14MP for me too. That's what the menu says. Perhaps the actual output size in pixels of the images shot that way is larger though. The menu could be inaccurate. ---------- Post added 2014-06-04 at 07:46 AM ---------- Originally posted by asahi man if 35mm .... Those dots are driving me crazy Please give us some more hints ....

06-03-2014, 02:51 PM	#23
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	correction: PENTAX flagship is not K-3, it's 645D.

06-03-2014, 04:04 PM	#24
DSims Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,236	Originally posted by LFLee correction: PENTAX flagship is not K-3, it's 645D. Make that the 645Z (fully announced and due this month).

06-03-2014, 04:07 PM	#25
LFLee Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Southern California Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,292	Originally posted by DSims Make that the 645Z (fully announced and due this month). true that!