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05-08-2008, 04:58 AM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by jsherman999 Quote
Here's another set of K20D high ISO macro and close focus shots (ISO 800 to ISO 3200, everything should be labeled)
Ah, finally a forum fellow who did it right. Thank You.

Cannot everybody please understand that sample photos with the intention to be a noise or resolution test are useless if not at 100%?

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Ah, finally a forum fellow who did it right. Thank You.

Cannot everybody please understand that sample photos with the intention to be a noise or resolution test are useless if not at 100%?
Are you trying to tell me something?
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There is no NR done by camera when you shoot in RAW, right?
Was any NR done during PP by PPL ?
Incorrect. I shoot RAW/manual exclusively on my K20D. Last night I did a 200 second exposure at night and the NR kicked in for an additional 200 seconds. This is one of the least desirable shortcomings of the K20D and Pentax has been barraged with requests to allow a menu choice for the user to turn off the NR entirely in the next firmware upgrade.

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This is good to know. I still dont know why i am still shooting in Jpeg when i have high capacity cards...its like i am keeping RAW photography only for "special" occasions

Maybe a hard habit to break after so many years

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I too have found very good results with my K20D at high ISO.
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Are you trying to tell me something?
@PentaxPoke, I did appreciate your effort. And I tried to be not that inpolite

As a matter of fact, you see it at 100% on your computer screen, we don't. The noise disappears a lot and the resolution increases a lot when you downsize. So it depends what you want to communicate to us...
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@PentaxPoke, I did appreciate your effort. And I tried to be not that inpolite

As a matter of fact, you see it at 100% on your computer screen, we don't. The noise disappears a lot and the resolution increases a lot when you downsize. So it depends what you want to communicate to us...
Did you click on "Original" and then "Download Original Size?" The Original file size is very large. That is much larger than would be needed for a typical print.

This is not directed at you, but the point was that reviews that say the k20d performance is "unacceptable" or not useable over iso 1600 are completely ridiculous. Maybe if someone wants to print poster size and then look at the photo with thier nose against the paper, it would be "unacceptable." I think that the tests simply show the iso3200 and even iso6400 can be very useable! I took one of those pictures in almost complete darkness!

What I am trying to communicate is this: A parent taking pictures of thier children in an important indoor event such as a recital (no flash) aren't going to care that a 14.7 MP image is noisy when viewed at 1:1, which is the equivalent of looking at a poster sized image up close. What they will care about is that they can get a wonderful, and very printable shot of the event with this camera even up to iso6400 if they properly expose. I get a little frustrated reading the opinions of these "pixel nerds" that base a camera's worth on tiny crops of a very small region of a picture of a liquor bottle. If all one did is read popphoto, or other web review sites, you would think that our camera is completely useless above ISO800.

I think the more we can show our experience with our Pentax gear in realistic examples, the more we can educate people not to worry about the dire evaluations of magazine and web reviewers. My iso6400 image has over 1900 hits. Just doing my part to get the word out.

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QuoteQuote:
PentaxPoke: This is not directed at you, but the point was that reviews that say the k20d performance is "unacceptable" or not useable over iso 1600 are completely ridiculous. Maybe if someone wants to print poster size and then look at the photo with thier nose against the paper, it would be "unacceptable." I think that the tests simply show the iso3200 and even iso6400 can be very useable! I took one of those pictures in almost complete darkness!
Poke, you are %100 correct and ahead of your time on this issue. I never took the time to officially thank you for making this clear last year. I learned a lot from you on High ISO with the K20--Thank you, very much.

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Guys, stupid question: does PPL mean PENTAX PHOTO Laboratory?
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does PPL mean PENTAX PHOTO Laboratory?
Yes, and PPB means PENTAX PHOTO Browser. Everyone just got tired of typing them out (and probably the caps too)
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Poke, you are %100 correct and ahead of your time on this issue. I never took the time to officially thank you for making this clear last year. I learned a lot from you on High ISO with the K20--Thank you, very much.
Me too! My next camera gone be a K20D!
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I have some 900 pics taken with the K20D betwen iso 1600 and 3200...
Pretty good actually, the biggest issue is more the AF speed...
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just makes me wish to have K20D more and more. I was shooting some wildlife and couldn't relly go over 800 ISO on with my K10D...

we'll see...

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Actually and oddly enough, I like the K10D better than the K20D at iso 800.
Above the K20D clearly wins...IMHO
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@Pentaxpoke: Thanks for the iso test. I have a K10d and I find that I can't get any usable shots at iso 400 or above. I am so glad that you took the time to post. It may just be my specific camera, but my images with iso ~400 look like your tests shots somewhere beteen 1600-3200. My needs are not as great as many here. I just would love to be able to shoot at iso 800 rarely and 400 occasionally. Thanks again.
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