Originally posted by clockwork247 an F4 lens on a FF is not shallow enough for you? you are sitting on a crop sensor, the f/2.8 dof is still bigger than a FF on f/4...
An example with dof master:
33mm on APSC f/2.8, focus at 3 meters: deph of field 0.95m
50mm (=33 * 1.5) on FF, focus at 3 meters:
The computation give: f/4.2 (f/2.8 * 1.5 = f/4.2)
dof master give:
deph of field for f/4: 0.87
deph of field for f/4.5: 0.98.
"Oh my god, this is nearly the same deph of field !!! 0.95 us between f/4 and f/4.5 !!!"
Man there nothing special here, we have 1.5x crop factor and 1 stop difference is 1.4. For practical purpose, you can say there 1 stop difference between APSC and FF.
So yes on can say you get approx the same framing and deph of field with an 17-50 f/2.8 on APSC than an 24-70 f/4. The math doesn't match exactly. 17-70 goes a little longer and a little less wide... And the deph of field will be a bit, really a bit, bigger. But for all practical purpose, this is close enough.
Now for practical purposes if you use an f/4 zoom on FF and f/2.8 zoom on APSC:
- You don't get any benefit from deph of field by using the FF.
- Your iso will go twice as high on FF (f/4) than on APSC (f/2.8) in low light situation. You'll speak of how your 12800 iso shoot is so clean, well with APSC and an f/2.8 zoom you will shoot at 6400 isos and you'll not see the difference in term of noise between the 2 shoots.
- There no reason to have more color deph or dynamic range as sensor perform the same on that topic for both APSC & FF (compare an old K5 with best FF)
What remains in benefit of FF ?
- The optics tend to be better at f/4 in general than f/2.8. This depend of the optics. This mean a little more constrast and sharpness to expect on the FF. This negate as you get better optics. I mean 18-35 f/1.8 zoom (APSC only) is razor sharp wide open.
- You can get more sharpness from the FF (like 36MP vs 24MP).
- The in focus - out of focus transition my be better on the FF (I would use a prime if I want this kind of thing honestly)
And, last thing for the fun (from dof master):
50mm f/1.4, focus at 2m on FF: 0.13m
same lens 50mm f/1.4, focus at 2m on APSC: 0.09m
Using the same optic, same apperture on an APSC sensor give
LESS deph of field than on FF. This is because the focal lens has more influence on the deph of field than apperture. Double the focal lens, deph of field is divided by 4. Double the apperture, the deph of field is multiplyed by 2.
This just mean that if we both use an 85mm f/1.4, the guy on APSC will get less deph of field from his shoot is taken same distance. FF will remain will less deph of field if framing is the same. Funny thing is if FF guy want to find an equivalent of that 85mm f/1.4... This is 135 f/2. It exist, that good. But there is no easy to find 135mm f/1.4... The FF guy will not be able to get more.
This is on short focal lens and wide angle that this deph of field difference is really interresting from an FF point of view.