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08-19-2014, 12:10 PM   #16
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
I too prefer not to use flash when shooting wildlife unless I really have too. Thank you for all you contribution. I made up my mind and bought the K-3 today.
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enjoy it.

08-19-2014, 01:10 PM   #17
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QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
I too prefer not to use flash when shooting wildlife unless I really have too. Thank you for all you contribution. I made up my mind and bought the K-3 today.
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I don't think you'll regret it. Enjoy!
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Little late to this, But I see no reason not to buy a K-3 unless youre on a budget.

Sandy Hancock and I had a little High ISO shootout between the two of us and His K-3 is at least as good as my K-5 IIs.

But.....

If you are upgrading from a Lower then K-5 IIs, Then the K-5 IIs is certainly an option for low light shots.





08-19-2014, 04:30 PM   #19
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The K3 seems to loose color in the highlights faster than with the K5, but if its more grainy then the K5 I cannot really tell.
What I do notice is that the K5 would likely never have captured this in such low light... I've got only a few keepers from this event over the past few years.
The K3's low light focusing allowed me to keep dozens. The K5 could not even pre-focus on a spot in this light, let alone on a moving subject.
I still lost a lot of moving subjects because of the lens being dirt slow, but at least it could focus.

I'd rather have a mildly grainy yet sharp photo, than a blurry mess with slightly less noise.



Dunno why the link doesn't work when embedded...
http://moringello.smugmug.com/Personal/Pennsic43-2014/Pennsic43-2014-FireDan...AMP3355-X3.jpg


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QuoteOriginally posted by amoringello Quote
Dunno why the link doesn't work when embedded...
There seems to be a missing leading "a"


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There seems to be a missing leading "a"
Well spotted!
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Here is a simple test I did @ ISO 2500:



and here is a link to the full sized image:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjsfoto1956/12277658235/sizes/o/

To my eye, the K-3 noise is very well controlled @ ISO 2500

YMMV

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When I first saw the high ISO performance of K3 (I started using it mainly at 100 and 200 because of prior experience withK100DS and the light being suitable), I was disappointed and used noise reduction. Then I started using no noise reduction. I found the aesthetic of no noise better.


\I think we have gotten used to the aesthetic of very smooth rendering and so are disappointed with the apparent graininess. But I remember film. Kodachrome 64 had very small grain, not obvious on any size wall I projected onto. Ilford HP5 at 400 (design speed) was often grainy and if cropped prints were made the grain was obvious. But I liked the speed over smaller grain.


So with K3 I have a choice available: use low ISO for clean images (and compromise with wide apertures and longer shutter speeds) or up the ISO and accept the grain.


I have noticed that the noise looks less in the bright parts of the picture (this is because of the causal physics and differs from my memory of film) and if the dark parts are left dark or darkened usingthe tone curves the apparent noise decreases too. If dark parts are lightened with exposure slider noise visibility increases.
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QuoteOriginally posted by MJSfoto1956 Quote
Here is a simple test I did @ ISO 2500:



and here is a link to the full sized image:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mjsfoto1956/12277658235/sizes/o/

To my eye, the K-3 noise is very well controlled @ ISO 2500

YMMV

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Just a comment Michael - your flickr must be set to either full-size locked from public, or you may not have it activated at all. The largest resolution available to us is 2000xsomething.

To provide the full size image independently of your flickr settings, right click the full size image and copy the image link directly to share it.
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ISO 8000



Good enough for snapshots..
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QuoteOriginally posted by JinDesu Quote
Just a comment Michael - your flickr must be set to either full-size locked from public, or you may not have it activated at all. The largest resolution available to us is 2000xsomething.

To provide the full size image independently of your flickr settings, right click the full size image and copy the image link directly to share it.
no, that is the "correct" URL alright (the "/o" tells you that this is the original). Sorry about that.

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QuoteOriginally posted by MJSfoto1956 Quote
no, that is the "correct" URL alright (the "/o" tells you that this is the original). Sorry about that.

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If so, it's redirecting me to /l instead. I can't get the /o.
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guess I had it set so that only flickr members could download originals. I changed it so that anyone can. Should work now.

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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
There seems to be a missing leading "a"
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Weird. I copied and pasted from the viewable image (not the normal display page), and I verified it worked on my end at the time. I wonder if the URL is periodically or otherwise randomized. Oh well, probably not really adding much value to the discussion anyway.
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