Originally posted by savoche It seems more that a little weird to buy into a brand that you know doesn't make the product you want, and then you start bashing that brand for not making what they don't make, never have made, and never have given any indication of planning to make. I suspect that the explanation isn't too far away, though. Blaming the camera/lens/flash system/LED lights is easier than to face the fact that you just aren't a very good photographer.
I prefer to try to improve my skills instead. I might not succeed but I do try. And I don't live under any delusion of being held back by my camera.
Ah... But Pentax themselves have said they are thinking/considering/working on FF for a while now. That's a primary source of frustration for myself, and probably a few others here.
And that stuff you wrote about bashers being inferior photographers? Really? That's what you want to open with?
Let's take a little walk down memory lane, and see where the marketing department at Pentax worked, and where it didn't... at least in my experience.
When I bought into the brand I just liked the SR and weather sealing. I needed a field camera, and the K10D was it. I pre-ordered it, even before it was available. Wikipedia reminds me that this was December, 2006, just 8 short years ago.
Then the K20D. Wow. Amazing bit of machinery and perfect ergonomics with the optional grip. That was probably 2009, I think I got it at the first price dip. With a second body in hand I felt ok about taking on professional work, too.
As I grew to enjoy them, I accumulated many lenses, some produce really stunning images. I've lost count of how many, maybe 30? It's not a lot compared to some users here, but in that pool of lenses are a few really amazing chunks of glass that NEVER let me down.
One of the oddest - and best - is an old TAIR 135mm with front aperture - now that is a stunning lens. If all I did was portraiture and could only own one lens for the rest of my life, that would be the one. I'd even shoot it on a 135 body if that's all I could ever have. In fact I have 3 or 4 Pentax film bodies, and do shoot and develop film myself, so it's not a stretch.
But I do have a Pentax 28-70 f/4 that should be burned at the stake. What a dog. And I do love the look of the 50-135, but after 4 replacement/repairs, it's gone to the kennel, too. See, I have a shelf for those... it's called "the kennel". That first-gen SDM really stunk. What did I do about it? Bought a Sigma 70-200 and never looked back. Problem solved.
Then fast forward to the K-7....
"Nope. Do. Not. Want. It's generally more of the same in a tiny, fiddly package."
About then Pentaxians start to ask:
"Where is the FF? Can't we have one in the old K20D body? It's big enough!"
Fast forward to the K-5, for me that was 2011, I think. Wow, that WAS a viable upgrade - the performance over the K20D is amazing for the work I do. I bought one. I almost bought the K-5ii later, but this little bird said:
"Psst... hey buddy... wanna FF? Just wait a month!"
We all know it never happened, and by then the K5ii was old news. I'd wait; I'm still happy with the K-5, for now.
About that time the price started to fall on the 645D.
"Hmmm .... why not leap ahead of FF?"
See, I'd really love a big optical finder again... my eyesight is getting worse, and even with the magnifying loupe the APS-C's are getting hard to manual focus.
Then the K-3 was released, but I couldn't justify another upgrade into the APS-C line, because after all, the FF is just around the corner, right?
Nope. Didn't happen.
Then the price of the 645D fell A LOT... Now the decision is:
"If my backup camera (the K20D) failed, I'd demote the K-5 to backup, and get a _____? as primary."
But what? K-3? It's a terrific camera. But the 645D, that's nice. But it has some shortcomings... it doesn't suit my working speed. Maybe the rumoured 645Dii will...
"Let's wait... after all, my K-5 is still holding in there, although the K-3 is kinda nice. If the K-5 dies tomorrow, I'll get a K-3... I'm in no rush ... maybe there will be FF?"
That was right around the time of last of the rumours of the FF body from Pentax itself.
In the meantime I did buy an old 645 (120 film) kit; more for the lenses than the body, but it's been a blast to shoot with. And the price was a steal. Turns out MF images are kinda amazing...
"Do I buy the older 645D or the now-released 645Z? I haven't decided yet. But one of them, for sure..."
Fast forward, one last time, to present day. Years have passed since my first K10D. No FF on the horizon; APS-C has served me well, but in 4 years will I still be able to use it?
I think I'll buy the 645D, because it would become the backup for the 645Z if I decide to slow down a bit in my style. So I guess I've decided to buy both of them. Huh.
Now I just have to work out the business case and pricing model adjustments. I'll probably do that over the next couple of months toward the end of 2014. I'll likely buy the 645Z in mid 2015, once I see how that goes, and make enough off the 645D to afford the full price of the Z, and a modern lens.
Back in APS-C land, the rumour mill around the Pentax FF codename: "Unicorn" has completely and totally gone silent, but the shutter count on the K-5 and K20D keep racking up, ever closer to their eventual demise.
With no FF on the horizon I'd be buying into the K-3 in the middle of it's lifecycle - not ideal, as I've learned. So any thoughts about using my FF glass on a FF K-body are pretty much done for. And with the pre-Photokina releases begun (and ended?), what did we get?
A not-FF, not-top-end, not-gonna-have-a-grip-option camera. It's a nicely spec'd camera. It's a good looking sensor. It's just not what I need right now.
Do I care? Not really, but it's frustrating. It won't affect my business planning; I know I'm going to be shooting MF, since there is no FF alternative in the middle ground. It does feel a little like market manipulation, too - to push the top end of the FF segment into MF by delaying FF.
Ah well... it's all Pentax, so it's a bit like a Lamborghini Gallardo owner saying:
"Well, if you're fresh out of Huracan's, I'll guess I'll have to settle for an Aventador."
First world problems, in other words.
Until I fully transition there I still need a machine gunnin', high-ISO'in, sake-snortin', rain-defyin' body.
But wouldn't it be more fun if it were FF? (or 12 cyclinder... )