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05-15-2008, 02:26 PM   #1
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Thinking about the K200D over the K20D ...

So I've been talking myself into upgrading to the K20D (from the K100D) but lately I'm thinking the K200D makes more sense. It bumps me to 10MP v. 6 for the K100, adds a sealed body, dust removal, RAW+jpeg, and a few additional goodies I would use (like the RGB histogram display).

And its about half the cost of the K20D. The 20D would get me 4 more MP, live view, and a low quality burst mode, but also a bit heavier to cart around. The MP alone aren't worth the price, live view is nice but something I would rarely use (and a right angle viewfinder adapter can be had for a lot less than $600), and ditto for the burst mode. The two wheels people talk about are nice, but I'm used to the single wheel on the 100D and it does the same thing as the 2 on the 10D/20D. The 20D is a great camera for sure, but I'm having second thoughts about whether its worth the price.

So now I'm thinking grab a 200D, keep the 100D as a backup, and put the savings towards a 50-135 f/2.8 instead. Reminds me of when I upgraded to the LX way back when. A great camera, to be sure, and I loved using it, but I still missed the MX I upgraded from. Did 80% of what the LX could do, in a lighter weight package.

So tell me, what am I missing?

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...also consider the K10D. Very similar to the K200D, but heavier, two wheels, and quite a bit cheaper.
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I have a k200d I'd be willing to make a deal with you with

I've owned the k100d, k10d, and k20d. This k200d i'm selling for a friend but if I had the choice i would even think about using it as the backup camera instead of my k10d.

You have to ask yourself what you use the camera for. Live View is pretty much useless. But the buffer is nice and I like the dials a lot. But if you don't use the dials as much then how much is it worth?

Also... the 50-135 is an amazing lens................. :P amazingggg.... I would do anything I can to get it. It's definitely worth it. If you are looking for a brand new k200d they have them on adorama for pretty cheap too
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When I went from my K100D to my K10D, I missed the higher ISO and lower noise. I got the high ISO/low noise performance back (along with a host of other capabilities) when I bought the K20D.

The K100D probably still out performs the K200D at higher ISO, but I don't know that for a fact. If that's not important to you, then go for the K200D.

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the K200D is a K10D in a K100D's body....

you might as well buy the cheaper K10D, unless you like the ergonomics of the K100D (and the AA battery support)
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thanks for the input. I rarely use 3200, or even 1600 if I can avoid it, but there are times when you need it so its nice to have, but not a deal breaker for me. And I have no prolem trading the low end ISO 100 v. 200 (on the K100D) for the shorter high end (1600 v. 3200).

I had heard that the 10D sensor was not as fine as the 100D, which convinced me originally to hold out for the 20D instead of picking up a 10D when it was discontinued. Not sure how much truth there was to that, but have some faith that second generation will work out first gen bugs, so that all things considered the 200D will equal or beat the 10D in performance.
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k100d definitely has much less noise than the k200d
i stuffed up on some of my pictures in daylight, shooting at iso400 instead of 100
and the noise is clearly visible (not ruinous or anything), whereas with my k100d, it wouldn't have been

but, on the other hand, the k200d is definitely a step up
personally, i wouldn't upgrade from a k100d to the k200d, the k300d maybe
i only got the k200d cos it was an insurance replacement for my k100d (they originally gave me the k100ds, but i decided i wanted more)

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"k100d definitely has much less noise than the k200d
i stuffed up on some of my pictures in daylight, shooting at iso400 instead of 100
and the noise is clearly visible (not ruinous or anything), whereas with my k100d, it wouldn't have been "


It has been shown that the k200d @800 has much less noise than @ 400. Also , there is nothing wrong with it at iso100, or 200. Exceptionally clean . Do a search ,it's been tested,but I don't remember the source. Some oddity has it performing on steroids at 800. Another thing to consider is the k200d has less noise than the k10.


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QuoteOriginally posted by roro Quote
It has been shown that the k200d @800 has much less noise than @ 400. Also , there is nothing wrong with it at iso100, or 200. Exceptionally clean . Do a search ,it's been tested,but I don't remember the source. Some oddity has it performing on steroids at 800. Another thing to consider is the k200d has less noise than the k10.
oh yeah, i think i remember reading about that
if only i remembered it before i went on my trip, i wonder if it's something that can be fixed in firmware?

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QuoteOriginally posted by EstimatedEyes Quote
thanks for the input. I rarely use 3200, or even 1600 if I can avoid it, but there are times when you need it so its nice to have, but not a deal breaker for me. And I have no prolem trading the low end ISO 100 v. 200 (on the K100D) for the shorter high end (1600 v. 3200).

I had heard that the 10D sensor was not as fine as the 100D, which convinced me originally to hold out for the 20D instead of picking up a 10D when it was discontinued. Not sure how much truth there was to that, but have some faith that second generation will work out first gen bugs, so that all things considered the 200D will equal or beat the 10D in performance.
the K200D cant beat the K10D in performence because they use the same sensor!
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I think upgrading from K100 to K200 may not be worthy. But choosing the K200 over the K20 maybe a wise choice. It is just because the K200 seems to be a more matured product than the K20, just like when K100 was far more matured than the K10 at their time.

QuoteOriginally posted by EstimatedEyes Quote
So I've been talking myself into upgrading to the K20D (from the K100D) but lately I'm thinking the K200D makes more sense. It bumps me to 10MP v. 6 for the K100, adds a sealed body, dust removal, RAW+jpeg, and a few additional goodies I would use (like the RGB histogram display).

And its about half the cost of the K20D. The 20D would get me 4 more MP, live view, and a low quality burst mode, but also a bit heavier to cart around. The MP alone aren't worth the price, live view is nice but something I would rarely use (and a right angle viewfinder adapter can be had for a lot less than $600), and ditto for the burst mode. The two wheels people talk about are nice, but I'm used to the single wheel on the 100D and it does the same thing as the 2 on the 10D/20D. The 20D is a great camera for sure, but I'm having second thoughts about whether its worth the price.

So now I'm thinking grab a 200D, keep the 100D as a backup, and put the savings towards a 50-135 f/2.8 instead. Reminds me of when I upgraded to the LX way back when. A great camera, to be sure, and I loved using it, but I still missed the MX I upgraded from. Did 80% of what the LX could do, in a lighter weight package.

So tell me, what am I missing?
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QuoteOriginally posted by RiceHigh Quote
I think upgrading from K100 to K200 may not be worthy. But choosing the K200 over the K20 maybe a wise choice. It is just because the K200 seems to be a more matured product than the K20, just like when K100 was far more matured than the K10 at their time.
You know, I was going to post some long-winded reply, but I'll just say that the K20D is as refined a product out there as any other top end camera. It's just a joy to use. No hot pixels, quick, accurate AF. Low noise at high ISO. Oh yeah, I use my camera to take pictures. I don't endlessly "test it".
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QuoteOriginally posted by rfortson Quote
You know, I was going to post some long-winded reply, but I'll just say that the K20D is as refined a product out there as any other top end camera. It's just a joy to use. No hot pixels, quick, accurate AF. Low noise at high ISO. Oh yeah, I use my camera to take pictures. I don't endlessly "test it".
so then you are saying that K200D is not as refined as a K20D?
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don't foget the view finder. I went to the store the other day to look at the cameras again and the k10d view finder looks huge compared to the k100d. I hear that the k200d is a different viewfinder than the k20d.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Gooshin Quote
so then you are saying that K200D is not as refined as a K20D?
I just re-read my post and I didn't see where I addressed the K200D at all. I was just addressing Rice's comment that the K20D is somehow not a refined product.
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