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05-16-2008, 12:39 PM   #1
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Anybody had any experience with these guys? Pentax K20D 14.6MP Digital SLR Camera with Shake Reduction (Body Only): Electronics

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05-16-2008, 02:48 PM   #3
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I've never bought directly from Willoughby's but I've bought a ton from Amazon. I believe they'll help stand behind a marketplace purchase, but I could be wrong. If they do, then I'd buy via Amazon without hesitation.
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I agree with Russ, never bought anything from Willoughby's but never really heard anything to aweful about them. I have on the other hand purchased from amazon, a whole $h1t-ton to put is scientifically, probably 100+ orders over the past few years (and not only camera stuff but basically anything) and have never had a bad experience with them. They have a great return policy, and prices are typically quite good.

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I'd be inclined to buy direct from Amazon in this case and pay the $25 difference (after you factor Willo's shipping) just because Amazon has a ROCK SOLID return/exchange policy in case there is any problem with the camera upon receipt.
Typically they'll ship replacements out same day you request the exchange with 1day/overnight delivery for damaged goods and you won't incur any charges at all unless you take longer than 2 weeks to return the busted product.
05-16-2008, 05:56 PM   #6
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I won't buy from Amazon on principal. I have spent a couple of thousand in the past but they have lost thousands since I stopped shopping with them.
I just use them as a resource for research now.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
I won't buy from Amazon on principal. I have spent a couple of thousand in the past but they have lost thousands since I stopped shopping with them.
I just use them as a resource for research now.
Out of curiosity, what is it you have against them?

I ordered my K10D from Amazon last year, my D-BG2 a month or two ago, and my K20D last week. I would normally purchase everything from B&H, except I'm a New York State resident, which means 8% sales tax from B&H and Adorama.
05-16-2008, 08:03 PM   #8
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They are being taken to court at the moment by HSUS for selling cockfighting magazines and they have in the past also sold videos related to dog fighting.

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They are being taken to court at the moment by HSUS for selling cockfighting magazines and they have in the past also sold videos related to dog fighting.
So you don't like them because they sell magazines and videos?
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I bought my k200d from them, and had it before I hit the confirm order button !
Excellant service, and shipping. Highly recommended ,especially since they've been doing business for over a hundred years.
05-24-2008, 09:21 PM   #11
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So you don't like them because they sell magazines and videos?
Not the magazines and videos but the content. ANIMAL CRUELTY. Got it?
05-25-2008, 08:19 AM   #12
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I have not purchased from Willoughby's either, but have done a lot with Amazon over the past 7 to 8 years and have never been let down. I have not heard about these "animal cruelty" issues until just now.


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QuoteOriginally posted by Damn Brit Quote
Not the magazines and videos but the content. ANIMAL CRUELTY. Got it?
Freedom of speech also includes that which many find abhorrent, unpleasant, disgusting, etc. Which is why the Supreme Court has ruled that also extends to most pornography, white supremist literature, etc. We are already far too dangerously close to evolving into the nanny state that England has become, without having every item in the Bill of Rights subject to the whines and complaints of every soccer mom in the country who wants something legal banned because they personally don't like it. This is a country of individual rights and freedoms, not lifestyle according to concensus.

I doubt Amazon makes any significant revenue off of those magazines, given the rather limited audience for such crap, and they clearly have more to lose over this than to gain, so I would expect it is a matter of principle. Once they bow to the pressure from the HSUS whackos - who are suing civilly because you know they'd be after them criminally if selling such magazines were a crime - then come the religious fundamentalists, the arch conservatives, the weak kneed, bed wetting liberals, and other assorted soccer mom groups.

Sue them and quit patronizing them until they drop all the cock/dog fighting magazines - but why stop there? They sell pornography - lots of people don't like pornography/erotica, so go after them for that as well. Oh wait... they also sell magazines about fighting. Horrors... bloodsports, many people think boxing and mixed martial arts should be banned - quick, sue them again. And (I know many won't believe this), they also sell gay and lesbian books and magazines/erotica... well, that's just plain disgusting - quick, let's boycott them again! And have you seen some of the religious stuff they offer? Why, some of that is just plain oppressive to anyone who doesn't hold the same beliefs - boycott 'em, I say! And on and on it goes.

In the end they (and any other bookstore) have their business - and what we have available as choices of reading material to purchase - run by a bunch of nanny-state pressure groups who want everyone to live according to THEIR mores. Once you've removed everything some intrusive bunch of busybodies don't like, what's left? Sure, it's legal to print your opinion/whatever and it's legal to buy it and read it - but our pressure groups have just made sure all that was shut down. Catch-22.

Frankly, while I hope all involved in dog fighting and cock fighting activities get their asses slung in jail, I also hope the HSUS gets their asses kicked in court with this lawsuit. The differences between them and PETA are increasingly vague every year. I don't need a bunch of jerks who make a living out of using the civil courts to try and do an end run around the Bill of Rights and other substantive law running my life. This particular issue doesn't affect me, but it's just a matter of time.

In fact, I think I'll have to show my support for Amazon by buying a Pentax 55-300 lens from them. Yeah... I need one of those.
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Rick, you're pretty mixed up. You flame Damn Brit for exercising his right not to buy from a retailer who has practices he does not approve of, yet you say you support "individual rights and freedoms".

In the meantime you denigrate "soccer moms" -- what have they ever done to you? Infringed on your rights to baseball? Run you off the street in their SUVs?

You think that "bed wetting" is a pretty good insult, being too ignorant to realise this is a medical condition many have no control over. By the way, name-calling is not a form of argument. It does, however, pretty well reduce any opinion I might have of you to sub-zero. I'm all for a good argument but know already that this will not be one. Therefore I will not respond to any provocation.

Please realise that it is people exactly like you who are/have perverting your sacred Bill of Rights with their narrow-minded inchoate emotionally-driven and selfish approach to rights and freedoms.

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Hi Rick

It's news to me that "they (Amazon) sell pornography", unless you were referring to all that Pentax gear I've been 'lusting' over !!!

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