Will Ricoh use this new Sony sensor in future bodies?

Winder · 11-12-2014, 08:12 AM

(SR4) Hot news! Sony revolutionizes the sensor world? Makes world’s first Active Pixel Color Sampling sensor (APCS). | sonyalpharumors

audiobomber · 11-12-2014, 08:18 AM

I doubt it. This looks like a video sensor, only 4.8mp.

reh321 · 11-12-2014, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by audiobomber

I doubt it. This looks like a video sensor, only 4.8mp.

Once they get a 5mp version working well, normal engineering progression could easily lead to a larger one.
Presumably the Sony camera line would get it before anyone else could even think about it.

audiobomber · 11-12-2014, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by reh321

Once they get a 5mp version working well, normal engineering progression could easily lead to a larger one.

A sensor with more megapixels would be a different sensor, so my reply stands.

normhead · 11-12-2014, 09:24 AM

The backlit technology Sony announced for cell phone cameras and used in Pentax's WG cameras has never made it to APS-c. I assume there are technical reasons for that. The fact that something is announced for small sensors doesn't mean the same technology will be developed for larger sensors. Things it seems, are a little more complicated than that.

lytrytyr · 11-12-2014, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by normhead

The backlit technology Sony announced for cell phone cameras and used in Pentax's WG cameras has never made it to APS-c. I assume there are technical reasons for that. The fact that something is announced for small sensors doesn't mean the same technology will be developed for larger sensors. Things it seems, are a little more complicated than that.

BSI moved up to APS-C in September:

Samsung Semiconductors Global Site

"The new S5KVB2 is the industry’s first APS-C sensor to adopt back-side illuminated (BSI) pixel technology."

Rupert · 11-12-2014, 10:16 AM

Looks like Fuji is working on a new sensor too.

Fujifilm and Panasonic jointly develop an organic CMOS image sensor technology using organic photoelectric conversion layer | Fujifilm Global

normhead · 11-12-2014, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

BSI moved up to APS-C in September:

Samsung Semiconductors Global Site

"The new S5KVB2 is the industry’s first APS-C sensor to adopt back-side illuminated (BSI) pixel technology."

INeresting, but it looks like it was designed for APS-c. Sony still hasn't made an APS_c sensor. On the organics, it's long been rumour canon is working on an organic sensor, and that that's why they've fallen so far behind everyone else. The theory is they've been behind, but they're about to jump way ahead.

audiobomber · 11-12-2014, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by normhead

The fact that something is announced for small sensors doesn't mean the same technology will be developed for larger sensors.

The new Sony sensor that Winder linked is APS-C.

normhead · 11-12-2014, 10:54 AM

I don't believe a 23.5 diagonal makes it APS-c, don't make me use my Pythagorean Theorem on you,

---------- Post added 11-12-14 at 01:09 PM ----------

Looking at the Samsung 28 MP and K-3 at 3200 ISO, man I hate it when the latest greatest new stuff isn't as good as what you're using. What am I supposed to get excited about now? Maybe it's just Samsung sucks...

Some one say something stupid, like, "well it's not as good right now but it has more potential, "

audiobomber · 11-12-2014, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by normhead

I don't believe a 23.5 diagonal makes it APS-c

Oops, I saw 1.5 sensor and read 1.5X crop. It is smaller than APS-C, larger than m4/3, as used in the 1.5" Canon G1 X Mark II.

Originally posted by normhead

don't make me use my Pythagorean Theorem on you,

I'm impressed you can spell it. ;-)

Winder · 11-12-2014, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by audiobomber

A sensor with more megapixels would be a different sensor, so my reply stands.

I'm referring to the technology not the specific sensor. The sensor represents new technology.

---------- Post added 11-12-14 at 01:27 PM ----------

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF...-08&edit-text=

Nikon also filing a patent on a sensor with honeycomb pixel pattern. Like the old Fuji Super CCD.

Na Horuk · 11-15-2014, 06:54 AM

i think all brands are trying to see what else can be done other than the current bayer cmos sensors. Exciting times, though i doubt we will see anything truly revolutionary in the next year or two

**interested_observer** · 11-15-2014, 11:52 PM

Here is how it works....

(SR4) Detailed spec sheet of the new Sony APCS (active pixel color sampling) sensor! | sonyalpharumors

lytrytyr · 11-16-2014, 08:30 AM

Originally posted by interested_observer

Here is how it works....

(SR4) Detailed spec sheet of the new Sony APCS (active pixel color sampling) sensor! | sonyalpharumors

Interesting.

I wonder what the effective "shutter speed" of each of the three color captures works out at,
and how long it takes to complete the sequence..

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lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by interested_observer Here is how it works.... (SR4) Detailed spec sheet of the new Sony APCS (active pixel color sampling) sensor! \| sonyalpharumors Interesting. I wonder what the effective "shutter speed" of each of the three color captures works out at, and how long it takes to complete the sequence..

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11-12-2014, 08:18 AM	#2
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	I doubt it. This looks like a video sensor, only 4.8mp.

11-12-2014, 08:22 AM	#3
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by audiobomber I doubt it. This looks like a video sensor, only 4.8mp. Once they get a 5mp version working well, normal engineering progression could easily lead to a larger one. Presumably the Sony camera line would get it before anyone else could even think about it.

11-12-2014, 09:13 AM	#4
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by reh321 Once they get a 5mp version working well, normal engineering progression could easily lead to a larger one. A sensor with more megapixels would be a different sensor, so my reply stands.

11-12-2014, 09:24 AM	#5
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	The backlit technology Sony announced for cell phone cameras and used in Pentax's WG cameras has never made it to APS-c. I assume there are technical reasons for that. The fact that something is announced for small sensors doesn't mean the same technology will be developed for larger sensors. Things it seems, are a little more complicated than that.

11-12-2014, 10:07 AM	#6
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by normhead The backlit technology Sony announced for cell phone cameras and used in Pentax's WG cameras has never made it to APS-c. I assume there are technical reasons for that. The fact that something is announced for small sensors doesn't mean the same technology will be developed for larger sensors. Things it seems, are a little more complicated than that. BSI moved up to APS-C in September: Samsung Semiconductors Global Site "The new S5KVB2 is the industry’s first APS-C sensor to adopt back-side illuminated (BSI) pixel technology."

11-12-2014, 10:16 AM	#7
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Looks like Fuji is working on a new sensor too. Fujifilm and Panasonic jointly develop an organic CMOS image sensor technology using organic photoelectric conversion layer \| Fujifilm Global

11-12-2014, 10:41 AM	#8
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by lytrytyr BSI moved up to APS-C in September: Samsung Semiconductors Global Site "The new S5KVB2 is the industry’s first APS-C sensor to adopt back-side illuminated (BSI) pixel technology." INeresting, but it looks like it was designed for APS-c. Sony still hasn't made an APS_c sensor. On the organics, it's long been rumour canon is working on an organic sensor, and that that's why they've fallen so far behind everyone else. The theory is they've been behind, but they're about to jump way ahead.

11-12-2014, 10:50 AM	#9
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by normhead The fact that something is announced for small sensors doesn't mean the same technology will be developed for larger sensors. The new Sony sensor that Winder linked is APS-C.

11-12-2014, 11:36 AM	#11
audiobomber Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sudbury, Ontario Photos: Albums Posts: 6,806	Originally posted by normhead I don't believe a 23.5 diagonal makes it APS-c Oops, I saw 1.5 sensor and read 1.5X crop. It is smaller than APS-C, larger than m4/3, as used in the 1.5" Canon G1 X Mark II. Originally posted by normhead don't make me use my Pythagorean Theorem on you, I'm impressed you can spell it. ;-)

11-12-2014, 12:12 PM	#12
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617 Original Poster	Originally posted by audiobomber A sensor with more megapixels would be a different sensor, so my reply stands. I'm referring to the technology not the specific sensor. The sensor represents new technology. ---------- Post added 11-12-14 at 01:27 PM ---------- https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ja&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF...-08&edit-text= Nikon also filing a patent on a sensor with honeycomb pixel pattern. Like the old Fuji Super CCD.

11-15-2014, 06:54 AM	#13
Na Horuk Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Slovenia, probably Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,186	i think all brands are trying to see what else can be done other than the current bayer cmos sensors. Exciting times, though i doubt we will see anything truly revolutionary in the next year or two