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11-23-2014, 01:59 PM   #46
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Adding the converter + going A-mount is not something smart to me at least, and I think many will think the same... Except if you have theses a-mount lenses already. The converter make things bulkier and add to the body price, negatig most of the price difference.
it's a one-time purchase, more than balanced out against the cost of minolta used lenses, that are much cheaper than used pentax glass.

the only thing more overpriced than used pentax lenses are nikon lenses, and some of the oly glass.

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Add that it easy to get cheaper, high quality lenses in Nikon/Pentax/Canon classical mounts and the whole price adventage is against Sony.
no, adapters with legacy glass is for sony, not against it... you can't do manual glass nearly as well with pentax, it's a closed platform.

e-mount, another other mirrorless mounts, are all open platform... even the new samsung nx1 has adapter mounts, to use on a camera body that is in many ways far more sophisticated and advanced than anything that pentax sells.

an no again on the "something like 40 years", because even my fairly recent k10d has really crappy autofocus, it sucks, the lea4 is a better solution than that.

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For now if I want a small mirrorless with nice small lenses and a good overall experience, I'am to choose Fujifilm or Olympus.
that would be foolish, because both of those platforms have crippled sensors that don't perform well; things like dr, latitude, and resolution are weak.

you'd be better off with a k-3.

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For now if I want ultimate FF experience with a nice native choice of lenses, I think Nikon... Not Sony.
your problem is that you don't have any experience with real mirrorless cameras... most people who go with the a7 platform stick with it, in part because they are tired of lugging heavy pig obsolete dslr/ovf cameras around.

that's one of the reasons that i'll never go back to a dslr.

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it's a one-time purchase, more than balanced out against the cost of minolta used lenses, that are much cheaper than used pentax glass.

the only thing more overpriced than used pentax lenses are nikon lenses, and some of the oly glass.
If you don't go FE body, you don't need the adapter, so you don't spend the money. Where I live, this make the A7 in same price range as D610 an A7r/A7s in same price range as D810. But with Nikon you don't even need to bother with the adapter, that more practical for day to day use.

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e-mount, another other mirrorless mounts, are all open platform... even the new samsung nx1 has adapter mounts, to use on a camera body that is in many ways far more sophisticated and advanced than anything that pentax sells.
You may care what Pentax sell to adapt other mount, for MF lenses. And you also care of the MF experience, I understand that. Still all of theses adapter loose AF for lenses of other makers. That's simply a no go for most. What ever awesomeness the adapter provide to MF lenses is irelevant to theses guys and they are the majority, included pros.

Even for own maker lenses, adapter is not ideal... You buy an A7 to have a small system, adding 2cm of bulkiness in use to all lenses and having to go with classical reflex designed lenses negate the gain you could get from A7 echosystem.

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an no again on the "something like 40 years", because even my fairly recent k10d has really crappy autofocus, it sucks, the lea4 is a better solution than that.
When explaining how good the A7 is, you compare it to D810, so the comparison for AF performance should be against D810. Even a K10D allow you to take most shoots without even thinking of focussing because it just work, it fail in some case but the issues are solved in more advenced bodies like D810 (or even a K5/K3).


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that would be foolish, because both of those platforms have crippled sensors that don't perform well; things like dr, latitude, and resolution are weak.
The m4/3 sensor being smaller, yes. But typically the guys using theses are happy with what the sensor provide and typically use thoses as compromize to get smaller/lighter bags overall. Sony FE lenses are big and lens from other mount for FF need to cover FF image circle meaning they are usually not that small neither, even more so they have to support the registration distance for the mirror.

So like you seems to don't care of Medium Frame despite typical Medium Frame lenses and sensor both provide for better picture quality... You don't care neither of large format film bodies that provide both far better rendering, far better resolution (200MP or more) and far better low light than what an FF digital can.

You'd say Medum frame or largers format are too big, too expensive, not worth the trouble. Many m4/3 guys just think the same of FF solutions even thoses mirorless FF solutions and think m4/3 is good enough and they don't need an A7. They don't give a shit of technicals number on the spec sheet because they already get good photos with their actual gear.

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lol... how could sony screw this up so badly?
They did it with the NEX 7 also. The funny thing is video is a Sony specialty. Strange.
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If you don't go FE body, you don't need the adapter, so you don't spend the money. Where I live, this make the A7 in same price range as D610 an A7r/A7s in same price range as D810. But with Nikon you don't even need to bother with the adapter, that more practical for day to day use.
with nikon you can only use nikon glass, because it's a closed platform, which is a huge disadvantage... it's also a heavy pig with a useless ovf.

i'm tired of repeating the obvious facts here.

you keep posting things that you don't have any experience with, it's a waste of time.

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with nikon you can only use nikon glass, because it's a closed platform, which is a huge disadvantage...
OVS just a quick question.. as far as I understand, the open platform with the A7 series is because you can use adapters to use other mounts with the E-mount right? but as far as i know ( perhaps im wrong here and is where i need you to guide me ), this adaptors only works the Manual Focus, the AF capability is lost.. or im i wrong??
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... sony created game-changers, that no other company has been able to touch, at a manufacturing price point that no dslr company can ever hope to compete with... why pay $1k more for a d810 that has the same pq as the a7r? why pay $1k more for a heavy pig of a d810, that is useless for manual focusing, because it's ovf?

For guys (like me ) who have more MF lenses than AF ones, the Sony is (unfortunately) already the answer.
Adding SR is just icing on the cake. (I won't be upgrading for it since I am in no way hampered w/o SR, but diff ppl diff needs)

The Sony is certainly a game changer and don't take this as Pentax bashing, since Canikon may well be in this even worse with their FF suddenly looking like its over big, over clunky.
It shakes the current DSLR makers.
Here is a FF system,
1. built in SR
2. EVF advantages for MF lenses (or just for good accuracy)
3. Generally smaller than other FF makes and even many apsc ones

Lenses used to be not enough, but its not so true anymore.
Firstly, many folks do have MF only lenses, so AF is moot for those.
Next, some of the best lenses out there are MF (and some like UWA usually don't need AF) (eg. OTUS )
As for native lenses, it covers the general used focal lengths 16-35; 24-70; 70-200; 35; 55.
A combo like 16-35; 55mm already covers 85-95% of most generalist needs (excludes sports; birding which are specialist needs and more suited for another camera anyway).
What is missing immediately, would be a AF short tele.
Of course, throw in the 70mm end of the 24-70 or the 70-200, and things get a little blurred again.
Easy to top off the gap anyway with a fantastic MF lens of choice ranging from a Leica Summicron 90/2 to a Pentax FA*85 to suit ones needs/budget.


There will be those who have specialist needs or an interest that spans such needs, and as such this may not be the right system for them.
But there are plenty of generalist shooters out there and this fits their needs well.

Just an example here.
For years, Fred Miranda forums only had a Canon, Nikon and Alternate sections.
So a big, rather high level forum only recognized (or at least forum traffic dictated) C, N and everyone else.
But just this month, because of the big increase of Sony A7 related traffic (usually for adapted lenses), FM has opened up a new Sony sub-forum.
A sign that Sony has made quite some headway.



So where does this leave Pentax?
IMO, there is still a good deal that can be done to come out with a system that is better than the Sony.

1. Pentax colors (Sony's ones aren't too good to put it short)
2. Pentax attention to the things that make a more photographer orientated interface/features (rather lack of thought from Sony on its current system)
3. Smallish Pentax FF lenses.
A FA50/1.4 with adapter is still smaller than a native FE55/1.8 on A7;
Then there are the lens like the FA35; Ltds. (all small, all great performing )
Yes, Pentax always had the advantage here and the lenses are already there.


But time is running out fast imo.
I've seen the local Pentax population here (30+ in an outing, not counting lurkers) drop from the highs of the K5/Kx period to a dwindling 6-10 ppl an outing (and dumping price Pentax stuff as ppl move).
Whatever it is I do hope Pentax is not just "Thinking about it"

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with nikon you can only use nikon glass, because it's a closed platform, which is a huge disadvantage... it's also a heavy pig with a useless ovf.

i'm tired of repeating the obvious facts here.

you keep posting things that you don't have any experience with, it's a waste of time.
This has no link with it being a closed platform but with registration distance. Nikon mount can support any lens that has a longer registration distance through proper adapter... like any other mount. Canon for example has a shorter registration distance and support lenses from Olympus EM, Leica R and Contax.

Your keep posting things that you don't have any experience with, it's a waste of time.

"it's also a heavy pig with a useless ovf"

Much more you fail to see that while your choice can perfectly match your needs, your moods and preferences it may not fit all others photographers needs, mood and preference. I can admit and understand that for your case the Sony is very good, yet you fail to acknoledge that other photographers can have a different view... Some prefer ovf. Some prefer bigger camera so they fit better in their big hands and can have more dedicated button and can be more study. Some want something even smaller I not long ago discussed with an Olympus pen owner (without even an EVF) and there no way for him to even go something like A7. That simply too big, too heavy, too expensive.

Despite the fact you are mostly after manual focus legacy lenses you explain continuously how usefull and good is the AF adapter (that work just with Sony a-mount and close the system for practical means) and how one should buy A7 and a-mount lenses for his auto focus needs. That something that is not at all at the center of your current needs and practice and so by definition is something you are not going to be the best adviser. Still you conclude for theses users that they are wrong and should use tool you choosed for them because despite having quite different needs and usage you think you know better what they need than themselves.

Practical outcome is that Sony is nowhere at the level of iphones sales when apple started. No other camera maker is in this position neither... Except if you count smart phones and then that would be apple and samsung to praise. Sony didn't create a game changer product like digital did versus film. The selling volume of dedicated cameras is shriking each year because now all camera are more than good enough and there are no really compelling new features that convince a big enough share of photographers to upgrade their gear that often even if by your terms they have heavy pig with useless ovf. That's the reality whatever marketing from Sony (or other makers) try to convince us of the "game changer" or "revolutionnary" things they added on their latest digital camera iteration.

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OVS just a quick question.. as far as I understand, the open platform with the A7 series is because you can use adapters to use other mounts with the E-mount right? but as far as i know ( perhaps im wrong here and is where i need you to guide me ), this adaptors only works the Manual Focus, the AF capability is lost.. or im i wrong??
there are a couple of canon adapters that have full electronic communication, so i think that you get some degree of lens image stabilization(??) and the camera records exif info... the autofocus, by all accounts that i've read, is slow... coming from a k-3 to that would be miserable experience, i'd guess??

there is a contax g adapter with electronic connections? hinman can probably answer that one.

no nikon and no pentax electronic connections that i'm aware of.

the lea4 with a-mount lenses is probably the way to go for non-native autofocus.

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This has no link with it being a closed platform but with registration distance. Nikon mount can support any lens that has a longer registration distance through proper adapter...
useless with an ovf... nikon means nikon only, same with canon and pentax.

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Some prefer ovf.
there is only one solid reason for using ovf over evf, and i suspect that you don't have a clue what that is.

you don't have any experience at all with the a7 series cameras we are talking about here.

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there is only one solid reason for using ovf over evf, and i suspect that you don't have a clue what that is.
There solid reason for using evf over ovf and I suspect that you don't have clue what it is...

Do you sudenly feel the urge to sell the A7, go back to ovf only bodies? No ? Well the retoric didn't work for me neither, thanks. Still not an A7 fanboy, sorry...

I understand that the idea is to disqualify the message holder so you don't need to counter what they say, but I'am not sure it worked that well this case. We could make a pool from the audience to check maybe?

For what it is worth and to conclude so we can stop arguing on the same topics I have a proposition for you:

From what I understood of your position, A7 bodies are obviously among the best (even more, the best) bodies possible and best compromize overall. Thanks to their open mount there is no barrier to entry whatever the lenses you already own or plan to buy. This provide you cheap lenses offering on top of cheap body offering.

We can wait 1 year and check the market share of thoses FE bodies overall toward other DSLR and mirrorless bodies... If Sony sell more FF bodies (in FE mount) than Canon and Nikon each taken separately and Sony itself on a-mount, we can say the concept did catch up... Otherwise we can that for some reason... Sony isn't here yet. Thoses products are just some products arround many other and not even the most successfull ones.

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There solid reason for using evf over ovf and I suspecrt that you don't have clue what it is...

Do you sudenly feel the urge to sell the A7, go back to ovf only bodies? No ?

Well the retoric didn't work for me neither, thanks. And I doubt it work on other reader out there neither.
that's not an answer.

i challenged you to list one specific scenario where ovf is better than evf, and you failed to do it.

because you have zero experience with mirrorless cameras.
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As far as i know it takes a little to get used to EVF.. but we cant deny that the information that you can get out of a EVF is a lot more than what we can get out of the OVF... In my case i dont mind if EVF are the way to go, as long as the info is equal or better than OVF.
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As far as i know it takes a little to get used to EVF.. but we cant deny that the information that you can get out of a EVF is a lot more than what we can get out of the OVF... In my case i dont mind if EVF are the way to go, as long as the info is equal or better than OVF.
evf has big potential and is the future, let say 5 years from now it will have catch up on most areas... It already started. Then we will get the benefits without the drawbacks.

This doesn't mean that all bodies with an EVF are nice and that some will not want to stick with OVF like some prefer manual focussing even through it is less practical on many occasions.
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I do like that they changed the button layout somewhat on the top. The more traditional front and rear dial and the new shutter button look nice. Seems like sony listened to the consumer with this overhaul. Kind of hate the fact that its bigger, but the addition of the SR is nice. The lack of SR in the A7 was my biggest complaint, especially after being use to having it in our Pentax cameras. Hopefully they'll release a R and S version soon so the prices of the originals will go down. I'd like to have a A7S. Hopefully the lens line-up will continue to grow as well.

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This is really the native (as in without converter) lenses I'am refering to.

I do understand the converter to be interresting if you already own Sony glass in other mount or don't care of AF.

Still, I don't see buying new Sony Alpha lenses to use them on an FE body with a converter as satisfying.

First it decrease the price adventage of the body... The converter being already quite expensive. Then it add the the final size, negating part of the gain by having shorter registration distance. Finally some already think that FE mount make a-mount part of history. I don't want to invest in a mount (a-mount) Sony will not support in the future anymore.

Still out the 7 FF lenses sony provide, there only 2 affordable lenses, a 3.5-5.6 kit zoom and a 35mm f/2.8. For the expensive lenses, there only one fast lense: the 55mm f/1.8... A focal lens where even pentax has a f/1.4 offer.

FE mount lack at minimum:
- affordable f/2.8 constant zooms (24-70 & 70-200). We need to wait for sigma/tamron to provide it as it is unlikely Sony will ever do that.
- 2-3 affordable primes in the 100-300€ range for classical focal lenses like 28, 35, 50, 85, 100, 135mm. I have the feeling through by looking at current prime offering that Sony is planing to do like Pentax and ask premium price for average entry level apperture in their prime range. How much Sony is going to ask for an FA77 equivalent ? 1500-2000$ for a 85mm f/1.8 ? It look like that when we see their 55mm offering !
- a few more high end primes like a 24mm, 85mm, 135mm. A 55mm f/1.8 & 35 f/2.8 are not enough !
- some real telezoom at least up to 300mm consumer grade (sub 500€) + high end version
- a TC to make more use of f/4 and wider apperture lenses.
This system is only a year old, and the 55mm 1.8 is a fantastic lens. Sure its a 1.8 but the optics are top quality, I'd hardly call it entry level. Picture quality has been compared to the Zeiss Otus which is one of the best lenses ever made. Pentax doesn't make very fast lenses either, all of the DA limiteds are slow, but I wouldn't call them "entry level" because of that either. Just because a lens isn't super fast doesn't mean it doesn't have high end optics. If you want smaller size (like pentax does and sony probably does with this line-up) you have to sacrifice somewhere, and its usually with smaller apertures. Most all of the existing lenses are Zeiss, which would be comparable to DA* lenses in our line-up, which are not exactly cheap either. I doubt sony will have an FA77 equivalent. It will probably be a 85mm 1.8 that would be better compared to the FA85, which is also not cheap, especially for an old discontinued lens. Considering it will be a Zeiss as well, the quality will probably be top notch like the 55mm 1.8. If you want cheaper consumer grade lenses, sony has cheaper consumer grade cameras with those lenses that will appeal to that market.

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This system is only a year old, and the 55mm 1.8 is a fantastic lens. Sure its a 1.8 but the optics are top quality, I'd hardly call it entry level. Picture quality has been compared to the Zeiss Otus which is one of the best lenses ever made. Pentax doesn't make very fast lenses either, all of the DA limiteds are slow, but I wouldn't call them "entry level" because of that either. Just because a lens isn't super fast doesn't mean it doesn't have high end optics. If you want smaller size (like pentax does and sony probably does with this line-up) you have to sacrifice somewhere, and its usually with smaller apertures. Most all of the existing lenses are Zeiss, which would be comparable to DA* lenses in our line-up, which are not exactly cheap either. I doubt sony will have an FA77 equivalent. It will probably be a 85mm 1.8 that would be better compared to the FA85, which is also not cheap, especially for an old discontinued lens. Considering it will be a Zeiss as well, the quality will probably be top notch like the 55mm 1.8. If you want cheaper consumer grade lenses, sony has cheaper consumer grade cameras with those lenses that will appeal to that market.
I agree that the system is new and it might become better in the future... But then I don't have to buy it now while it doesn't cover (yet ?) my needs.

The 55 f/1.8 is a very nice lens, that true.. But that not the cases of all theirs lenses.

But let's pick the 24-70 f/4: From photozone: 2.5/5, heavy vigneting at 2.5EV (f/4 !), bad bokeh.
Tamron 24-70 on Nikon FF got 3.5 stars, has better bokeh, has max apperture f/2.8, 1.1 EV vigneting at f/4
Nikon 24-70 on Nikon FF got also 3.5 stars, has better bokeh, has max apperture of f/2.8, 0.9 EV vigneting at f/4

Sorry to say that, but the FE 24-70 should not have the Zeiss name on it. It is noticeably worse than the tamron that offer f/2.8 instead of f/4 and is less expensive. We could say yes but that a Zeiss so the bokeh is fantastic and so own... Apparently that far from being the case. And the Zeiss is already quite big.

From my understanding the DA* lenses like DA*50-135 f/2.8, DA*16-50 f/2.8 or DA*55 f/1.4 offer the max classical apperture for the focal lense. Pentax stick with a wide apperture strategy for it's "star" pro lenses.

So yes Sony may have a strategy for high quality small lenses but they are not small and they are not all high quality. There also no cheap offering like if you want an entry level 35 or 50mm... Thoses 2 focal lenses are typically very easy to make and even the very cheap version from various manufacturers are great... This is not possible here without adding expensive converter or loosing AF.


So yes lot of potential for Sony FE echosystem... But this is still potential, there no need to buy it now if it doesn't already cover all your needs. That might be good for you already, and that's fine by me... Doesn't mean it cover all needs yet... And you should buy it now if your needs are not covered yet.

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I agree that the system is new and it might become better in the future... But then I don't have to buy it now while it doesn't cover (yet ?) my needs.

The 55 f/1.8 is a very nice lens, that true.. But that not the cases of all theirs lenses.

But let's pick the 24-70 f/4: From photozone: 2.5/5, heavy vigneting at 2.5EV (f/4 !), bad bokeh.
Tamron 24-70 on Nikon FF got 3.5 stars, has better bokeh, has max apperture f/2.8, 1.1 EV vigneting at f/4
Nikon 24-70 on Nikon FF got also 3.5 stars, has better bokeh, has max apperture of f/2.8, 0.9 EV vigneting at f/4

Sorry to say that, but the FE 24-70 should not have the Zeiss name on it. It is noticeably worse than the tamron that offer f/2.8 instead of f/4 and is less expensive. We could say yes but that a Zeiss so the bokeh is fantastic and so own... Apparently that far from being the case. And the Zeiss is already quite big.

From my understanding the DA* lenses like DA*50-135 f/2.8, DA*16-50 f/2.8 or DA*55 f/1.4 offer the max classical apperture for the focal lense. Pentax stick with a wide apperture strategy for it's "star" pro lenses.

So yes Sony may have a strategy for high quality small lenses but they are not small and they are not all high quality. There also no cheap offering like if you want an entry level 35 or 50mm... Thoses 2 focal lenses are typically very easy to make and even the very cheap version from various manufacturers are great... This is not possible here without adding expensive converter or loosing AF.


So yes lot of potential for Sony FE echosystem... But this is still potential, there no need to buy it now if it doesn't already cover all your needs. That might be good for you already, and that's fine by me... Doesn't mean it cover all needs yet... And you should buy it now if your needs are not covered yet.
I'd be lying if I said it covered my needs completely with native lenses. I still own all of my pentax gear because its a complete proven system. Right now the sony is one lens away from being complete for me, and that lens is an 85mm for portraits. The 35 and 55 are more than good enough to cover wide and normal for me and an 85 would complete the perfect 3 lens kit for sony in my eyes. I still wouldn't let my pentax stuff go though. The pentax limited and * lenses have their own special look that I love and the sony to me is just another tool that I can use to get that zeiss/sony look that I've recently grown to love as well. All of the camera systems available right now are pretty good, nikon, canon, m4/3, fuji, whatever....they are all good in the right hands. The important thing is to go out and have fun and make art with what you have.
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