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06-02-2008, 02:30 AM   #31
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They left me out to dry when I bought my Betamax back in the 80's, so you think I'm gonna buy a camera from them that uses the memory stick and have them discontinue that card format in a few years like they did tapes for my beloved Beta?
The memory stick was first released in 1998. Sony has integrated this on every product that can use additional storage. It is a time tested format. If ever they discontinue the card format they will discontinue support to hundreds of their products like PDA, video camera, P&S camera, cellphone, PSP, MP3 player.

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Hi maj0rglitch

Re your point:

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The memory stick.......is a time tested format.
I really don't care a flying f**k whether or not it's time tested to destruction, I'm NEVER buying another g*d-damn SONY product in my life. PERIOD !.......Capiche......lol. Rant over......

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I really don't care a flying f**k whether or not it's time tested to destruction, I'm NEVER buying another g*d-damn SONY product in my life. PERIOD !.......Capiche......lol. Rant over......
That is good you are standing for something. But my post is not really to persuade you to think otherwise.
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If you guys read history there is one dark horse reason that formats win over others... and that my friends is

Porn. Look it up if you don't believe

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also, last time i checked, CF ain't a Sony format either... Sure, not every Sony digicam supports CF, but we're not comparing a Pentax DSLR to a Sony P&S either...
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Another reason: Pentax never installed a rootkit on my hard drive.
06-02-2008, 08:59 AM   #37
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Choosing a camera can be quite difficult. Remember that you are choosing a system (lenses, flashes etc)

To me it would be (and was) a choice between Nikon and Pentax. Pentax has the built in SR and weather sealing plus all the other advantages listed above. Nikon has faster response time (instant review, startup etc) and arguable faster AF.

THink also of what you are going to be shooting. Both Nikon and Pentax have good wide angle lenses, and high quality primes. Pentax has the Limiteds and pancakes. Nikon has a better selection of lenses in the telephoto and super telephoto range and some more user friendly consumer lenses (DX 18-70, 16-85 and 18-200) Nikon has better third party lens support as well. Pentax is closing these holes in its system but the lenses can be hard to find.

Nikon lenses can be a bit pricier than Pentax lenses and you do have to pay for VR, but yo have to ask how many lenses you actually need. With Pentax the lens that is on my camera most is the DA 16-45. With Nikon it was by far the 18-70.
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Since our OP has made the wise choice to go with Pentax , I'll post my thoughts for the sake of anybody else who's reading this and trying to decide between mounts.

If stablized lenses are important to you, take a look at the big B&H ad in the back of any major photography magazine. First, count of the number of lenses that are available for each mount that you are interested in, both manufactuer's and third party. Second, for each mount, count up the number of lenses that are stablized. You'll notice that just by counting the lenses that are currently being manufactured and sold, that Pentax wins hands-down, since ALL of them are stabilized with the in-body stabilization. Sure, Sony and Olympus also have in-body stabilization, but the number of new, currently manufactured lenses for each one is limited, even more so than Pentax.

Certainly, stablization isn't the only thing to consider when choosing a camera, but it can be an important factor. Pentax offers the most flexibility in that respect, especially when you count all the legacy lenses out there.

Cost is another factor--especially with the current rebate program going on right now, picking up a K200 would be the most cost-effective way to go in many cases, when you compare it with equivalent models in the other mounts.

Just my 2 cents.
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Pentax! EYY!
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I need your help, Pentaxians,

There's one voice, a lone voice, but one i trust (he's the closest person to a pro shooter that i know), that's slowly making me think canon

I know, it's horrible, isn't it. doesn't help that My baby's on her death bed atm (not shooting at all)

He talks about better lens (the L Syndrome, totally), better support and stuff like that. I know the better support issue (CR Kennedy isn't exactly wonderful down here, and he did used to shoot Sigma...)

Shooting his 350, a friends 400 and another friends 20D, does make me want to look at it. They seem far more responsive when shooting.

I know i'm a crap DSLR photographer. I use my *ist DS as a glorified superzoom P&S most of the time. I'm trying to change that and not use the auto stuff. this is the stuff i've shot with the *ist DS (don't mind the 08 manimeet photos, they wanted some quickly, and i havn't gone through PPing them.. i'm slow )

there is, however, more stuff for the canon, which appeals to the geek/measurabator in me. and that tends to talk much much much louder than the small little artist in me. Even with being happy with what i've got when it was working, i did want to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.

I know it's of the level of Measurabation, but i keep thinking that moving to canon would make be a better photographer, whilst moving up with Pentax isn't. I'm hugely jealous of what he can do with mostly a Tammy 24-135 and a 350D (and a few off camera flashes). My head tells me that skill will get me there, but my hearts telling me i need the exact same setup as him (even with this, especially the Ansel adams bit, floating in the back of my mind)

It's like love. My head's thinking pentax, my hearts thinking canon, sometimes vice versa and i don't know what to do.

Two saving graces: New Pentax K200D body only for AU$689. And it takes AA batteries (my penchant for not recharging batteries when i need it makes the AA power nice... )

Guys, help me

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If stablized lenses are important to you, take a look at the big B&H ad in the back of any major photography magazine. First, count of the number of lenses that are available for each mount that you are interested in, both manufactuer's and third party. Second, for each mount, count up the number of lenses that are stablized. You'll notice that just by counting the lenses that are currently being manufactured and sold, that Pentax wins hands-down, since ALL of them are stabilized with the in-body stabilization. Sure, Sony and Olympus also have in-body stabilization, but the number of new, currently manufactured lenses for each one is limited, even more so than Pentax.
that's one i'm thinking of, but my current *ist DS isn't stabilised. it'd be nice when/if i do get a K200D that all are stabilised, but i try and use skill (what little i have) in trying to compensate for vibration

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Certainly, stablization isn't the only thing to consider when choosing a camera, but it can be an important factor. Pentax offers the most flexibility in that respect, especially when you count all the legacy lenses out there.
Again, all my current ones (except the FA50) are APS-C dedicated lenses. Personally, i don't think getting the Limiteds or DA* would make my shots any more brilliant. Wouldn't mind the DA*16-50 if i do get the K200D though...

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Cost is another factor--especially with the current rebate program going on right now, picking up a K200 would be the most cost-effective way to go in many cases, when you compare it with equivalent models in the other mounts.
That's probably the reason i went pentax in the first place. a 350 kit at the time was about 1.5K, whereas my *ist DS was 899.

however, 400D body is $665, $835 for the 18-55 II kit (which everyone says is a rubbish lens). 450D body is $995, $1.2K for the 18-55 IS kit. 40D (which is what i was looking at as a more realistic option) is $1.2K body, $1.6K with Tammy 17-50 F2.8

the K200D body is $689, and i already have the Tammy 17-50, a fast Fifty, and the vacation zoom.

Yes, i know the K200D has SR and Weatherproofing (and is just so sexy) but.. but... i'm still slowly edging towards the 400D (or the 40D if i didn't rush it and saved a bit more)


(All local prices from proper australian channels. )
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I'll say this much; I've used a 350D, which has the same exact body as the 400D, and there is no way I would ever pay for something that felt like that if it wasn't a P&S. 40D I can understand, but nothing less than that in the Canon line. I hear where you are coming from with the measurbator/artist argument; I'm far, far less artist than I'd like. But quite frankly, nothing about Canon really grabbed my attention on the measurbator front. Hell, if anything, Pentax has everything the Canon does, plus sealing, plus SR, plus legacy lens support, plus better controls. The only major concern I can see would be support, but you also end up paying for it with higher overall prices.
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Richard, congrats on your K200D purchase! For the benefit of others wrestling with a similar choice, I'll toss in one more reason to buy Pentax that I've not seen mentioned above, one that is relevant to the first item on your list of places where you do most of your shooting: many of the professional, published reviews of Pentax DSLRs over the years have mentioned the really lovely, naturalistic color rendition of the combination of Pentax sensors and Pentax lenses when used in nature photography. That was a big factor in my purchase of a K10D last year, FWIW.
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Nakey:

If you're not wanting to shoot very quick sports or other fast situations and you don't need the huge prime zooms Canon offers, there's nothing Canon offers that's going to improve your photographs except maybe, maybe more accurate AF, and that's a huge debate all its own.

Seriously.

Great photography is I would say 95% artistic vision, technical know-how and setup and 5% gear.


You've got to consider just how much you want to pay to improve that 5% margin. Do you want a cheaper, but less expansive Pentax platform or a more expensive but thorough Canon platform? Do you really need Canon's overall faster AF response or burst rates or mega-primes? Do you have the cash to jump into those offerings?

If the cost isn't a consideration and you *need* those things, then by all means go Canon or whoever fits the bill!

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Looking over the collection of photos you link, though, I can say this -- A Canon platform is going to do nothing for your photography, unless I'm not seeing some other pictures on your website.

I guarantee you if I were to post images without exif date from several different camera bodies , but smilar lenses and lighting setups you wouln't be able to tell the difference.

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Obeying various photography rules (rule of thirds, adequate lighting, knowing the limits of your lens and how to get the best from it, depth of field, 1/focal length shutter speeds, etc) and getting an idea of what makes an "interesting" photo is going to help your photography a heck of a lot more than holding new electronics in your hand.

I'm not trying to keep you a Pentaxian -- Frankly it doesn't profit me one way or the next...but I would only consider a platform switch only if it's physically impossible to get the shots you want using what's available with your current platform.


Serious sports photographers or others needing extremely fast bursts or birders, etc. needing long range or landscapers needing medium format megapixels is why I would switch to Canon. No other reason, not even the larger brand ecosystem.
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Nakey: Hands off the 400D, and at the price of the 40d, the K20D is a much better choice, yeah the 40D is a little better than the 30D i had, but in ergonomics and image quality, the K20D wins.
Have you not noticed how much smaller the Canon viewfinder is? Do you want to spend extra if you want a lens with IS?
Would it be easier to just own what your friends own? Your 17-50 and fast 50 alone would be great to have on your new Pentax body.

Get the K20D and never look back at this thread where you almost made the mistake to downgrade to a Canon. (Or maybe K200D and a nice new lens like the 70/2.4?)
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