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03-16-2015, 03:25 PM   #16
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I'm not all that concerned about the next K-? APS-c camera body, but since people asked, I'd like a tilt out LCD viewfinder

And some of the things others have mentioned (smartphone/wireless compatibility, built in GPS, battery options) would be nice too.

At the end of the day, though, it's already a great deal of camera at what has become a very reasonable price.

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Just as Ricoh used technology from the K-3/k-7 on the 645z/d, there's an opportunity for them to transfer tech from the FF to a revamped K-3 that is an incremental update along the lines others have said- add in wifi, maybe articulating screen, whatever secret sauce they add to the FF, and call it the K3ii. A (relatively) quick/cheap upgrade, assuming the engineering cost of adding new features (even without the R&D cost of creating the new features in the first place) isn't an overly large amount of the total production cost.
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I've had my K-3 since the end of 2013 and it still feels new and leading edge to me. It may be the first DSLR I wear out rather than upgrade. The days of leaps and bounds of improvements is behind us I think.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Painter Quote
It may be the first DSLR I wear out rather than upgrade. The days of leaps and bounds of improvements is behind us I think.

Yes, let's get the chance to save for - and enjoy - new lenses and accessories rather than the eternal race for the newest bodies.


In fact, as we speak: How about "demanding" revitalization of a broader line of genuine Pentax accessories - just like in the good old days?


http://www.gyes.eu/documents/smc_pentax(a_and_m)_lenses_and_accessories.pdf

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Pentax doesn't seem interested in doing small incremental improvements to cameras and re-releasing them, just in order to have "something new" on the market. Taking the current K3 and adding a flip out screen, improving video a little and adding wi fi, while keeping the same sensor and same image quality seems like a losing proposition, although Nikon and Canon do that all of the time. I think they'll wait till the end of this year or beginning of next year.
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I think they could rekindle some interest in the K-3 by giving it a good firmware upgrade and launching a new higher end kit with the 16-85. If they want to go crazy, they could even do some advertising.

I think that when the K-50's true successor comes along, it will have more of the K-3 tech in it than the K-S2 does, but be made of plastic. It will compete more directly with the Canon 70D. This would leave space at the top for an eventual K-3 successor with new features, perhaps shared with the new full frame.

In short, I don't expect a K-3 successor just yet.
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QuoteOriginally posted by filoxophy Quote
The smaller size mic input. As the above pic shows, it was a ridiculous idea.

I guess what I was trying to say is that speculation runs wild around here, and while fun to indulge in at times, is often way off the mark.
Smaller headphone jack. The mic is on the side of the body.
Not that it changes much anything
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QuoteOriginally posted by Painter Quote
I've had my K-3 since the end of 2013 and it still feels new and leading edge to me. It may be the first DSLR I wear out rather than upgrade. The days of leaps and bounds of improvements is behind us I think.
^^^ This. With previous cameras I was always watching/waiting for the next release and new goodies. With the k-3, anything new released (including FF) will need to prove itself. I don't know if it has been the technology in general improving or just Ricoh upping it's game but the k-3 is still 'new' for me. I pre-ordered it, (the first anything I ever did that with) in October 2013 and I still do not see anything I would buy over it, 17 months later.

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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Smaller headphone jack. The mic is on the side of the body.
Not that it changes much anything
Ah, I stand corrected. I've never had use for either one, so I'm ignorant of the placement.
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The K-3 will be supplanted as the flagship body of the non-MF Pentax range by the forthcoming 35FF body, but the K-3 isn't a specialist model like the Nikon D300, so I wouldn't expect it to remain unimproved for a long time. Ricoh needs to show that they are paying attention to the market, or sales will fall. In addition, the entry and mid-level APS-C bodies will need to pick up features from the K-3 (and others, as we see from the K-S2) to remain competitive, thereby forcing changes to the K-3.

As for AF speed, it seems from initial trials with the new DFA lenses that the limitation hasn't been the K-3's ability, but the AF lenses themselves. Nonetheless, more and smaller AF points will be welcomed by some as an improvement. It isn't hard to figure out what other changes could be made. The current low price on the K-3 indicates that there's room to bring out a refreshed model at a higher price, and still stay price-competitive with the opposition models, like the D7100/7200.
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K-3II would be the current K-3, add Wi-Fi and/or HINGED LCD (not articulating), plus whatever is coming in the significant FW update April/May. Package as a kit with the new 16~85 and we're good to go for 12 months.

I suspect there won't be a K-50 replacement - that's the K-S2.
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QuoteOriginally posted by RobA_Oz Quote
The K-3 will be supplanted as the flagship body of the non-MF Pentax range by the forthcoming 35FF body,
Possibly just semantics but I would expect Ricoh to keep the 'ranges' separate with a flagship in APS-C as well as a flagship in FF. That might take awhile but I see:
k-500 style cheap entry level
k-50 style middle level good value, high volume
k-3 style high end APS-C most features of FF except the sensor
k-FFa good value FF with some features lacking especially burst speed
k-FFb high end FF with everything including the kitchen sink

It might take a year or so for that but I think that is where they need to be. I would also suggest there will be a mirrorless FF k-mount body at some point
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In the meanwhile the K-3 is getting older and nobody speaks of a replacement.
Haven't we seen this thread somewhere else before? Same question, same answers...where are the mods when we need them


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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
Haven't we seen this thread somewhere else before? Same question, same answers...where are the mods when we need them


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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Possibly just semantics but I would expect Ricoh to keep the 'ranges' separate with a flagship in APS-C as well as a flagship in FF. That might take awhile but I see:
k-500 style cheap entry level
k-50 style middle level good value, high volume
k-3 style high end APS-C most features of FF except the sensor
k-FFa good value FF with some features lacking especially burst speed
k-FFb high end FF with everything including the kitchen sink

It might take a year or so for that but I think that is where they need to be. I would also suggest there will be a mirrorless FF k-mount body at some point
Ultimately, my guess would be the same as yours, but initially, given the limited number of bodies available, I think buyers will look at the non-MF DSLR range as a single entity. Ricoh's view, I'm sure, will be as you say.

It will be interesting to see what October brings. I imagine the time would be right for a K-3 refresh at the same time as the 35FF body is launched, just to ensure that it doesn't look like the APS-C range is being abandoned. I doubt there'll be any significant concern about buyer confusion or detraction from the new body, because the word from Ricoh was that this first 35FF is principally aimed at K-mount users who've been waiting for it, for a long time. By the time that initial wave of buying has subsided, it'll be time to launch a second tier of 35FF products aimed at the high-income professionals and enthusiasts. Perhaps we'll see some sign of that in October.
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