14. MPix High ISO shoot out.

codiac2600 · 06-06-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Are you impolite and unfriendly each time I posted something and made my opinions?

You have no opinions just ramblings...

Originally posted by RiceHigh

I think you should not acquire any Sony stock in the first place as the Pentaxes are far superior whereas others are problematic. Just run a specialised Pentax shop which sell *only* Pentax - my humble suggestion for you and your shop! This will surely relief the staff of your shop the troubles of doing the QC, disappointed and then forced to return all these "junk" products..

My humble opinion is for you to..... lucky for you I'm a nice guy

We run an honest store and try everything we get so we can "honestly" recommend products to people based on their needs. If we only carried Pentax we wouldn't be able to cover all the needs that people have. Our biggest seller is still Pentax so it's all good RH, no matter what DPReview says we have a wall of photos from joes to pros shooting Pentax that would make you stop saying crap about the brand

Maxington · 06-06-2008, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

The amount of details and good colours retained are amazing for the K20D. However, these comes together with the cost of very visible noises.

You can post-process noise if required. You can't post-process detail back.

I'd rather keep detail AND noise thanks.

Pity about the A350, I quite liked the slick Live View setup on it, even though it has an absolutely atrocious viewfinder. It'd be a great dedicated macro camera, especially in nature shots.

Pity Sony lenses are ridiculously expensive as well.

nakey · 06-06-2008, 08:59 PM

Originally posted by codiac2600

We run an honest store and try everything we get so we can "honestly" recommend products to people based on their needs. If we only carried Pentax we wouldn't be able to cover all the needs that people have. Our biggest seller is still Pentax so it's all good RH, no matter what DPReview says we have a wall of photos from joes to pros shooting Pentax that would make you stop saying crap about the brand

I wish you had a store near me

RiceHigh · 06-06-2008, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by codiac2600

You have no opinions just ramblings...

What "ramblings"? Please quote and tell.

Quote:

My humble opinion is for you to..... lucky for you I'm a nice guy

So nice to always beat!

Quote:

We run an honest store and try everything we get so we can "honestly" recommend products to people based on their needs. If we only carried Pentax we wouldn't be able to cover all the needs that people have. Our biggest seller is still Pentax so it's all good RH, no matter what DPReview says we have a wall of photos from joes to pros shooting Pentax that would make you stop saying crap about the brand

I have no interest about your shop actually and I don't think anything I say and said here will need any counter proof at your shop nor I'm interested.

As always in the past and will not be changed in the future, my aspirations for a good Pentax DSLR body and system will have nothing to do with any commercial affairs. That's why I selected to post here with Adam/Mo's original intention of setting up the PentaxForums (it was told to keep this site Ad free and NOT commercial related).

RiceHigh · 06-06-2008, 11:24 PM

Originally posted by Maxington

You can post-process noise if required. You can't post-process detail back.

I'd rather keep detail AND noise thanks.

Pity about the A350, I quite liked the slick Live View setup on it, even though it has an absolutely atrocious viewfinder. It'd be a great dedicated macro camera, especially in nature shots.

Pity Sony lenses are ridiculously expensive as well.

Agreed. But the noise level at ISO 800 seems too much to me. (Although as I said in my first post, the details and colors retained are amazing). In short, that means that the sensor by itself is still noisy, owing to the very high pixel density on a small sensor (format).

simons-photography · 06-06-2008, 11:59 PM

oh shut up !

benjikan · 06-07-2008, 03:07 AM

In my opinion, Chris has always been polite, objective and honest in his assessment of products discussed here at Pentax Forums. If he looses his cool at times it is more due to an obvious personal bias towards certain products by some. As I have recently stated, the Pentax K20D and being a CMOS sensor, has some of the best output images to date of any camera on the market. I do find that it has an output similar to a mix between Canon and Nikon images, which I quite frankly really like. At 100 percent the K20D does not have the hatch (vertical and horizontal patterns) pixel rendition the the K10D seems to show when PIXEL Peeping. The only camera's in my view that compete with the output of the K20D are the top end Nikons and Canons. IMHO It definitely outperforms the Canon 40D and Nikon 300D. That is the reason I am still with Pentax. My sole concern is the quality of the output at low to medium iso i.e. 100-400 iso. That is where I do most of my work.

I will be doing a couple of album covers for some artists with Warner Music and will use my K20D's for this job. I have no qualms using this tool and will do so with confidence.

Ben

simons-photography · 06-07-2008, 03:31 AM

I choose pentax (after starting to like fuji and realizing they are nuts) because they seem to go that extra mile in quality and features but retain a very competitive price this is my hobby and I shouldn't really spend money but i know that in buying a pentax I made a good investment and will never be able to say I was coned or watsed the hard earned cash

lol101 · 06-07-2008, 04:28 AM

Originally posted by benjikan

My sole concern is the quality of the output at low to medium iso i.e. 100-400 iso.

Ben

Agreed, in the 100-400 region, the K20 is remarkable.

It is still very detailled but increasingly noisy up to ISO 1600.

This is where I stop because ISO 3200 and 6400 are just too noisy for me.

Hey! Isn't it funny?! It's just what concluded a "not so Popular" Photography magazine that was lynched around here quite some time ago to dare say that results were very good up to ISO 1600 but strongly degraded by noise afterwards...

06-06-2008, 11:22 PM	#19
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	"Kind" and "Friendly"!? Originally posted by codiac2600 You have no opinions just ramblings... What "ramblings"? Please quote and tell. Quote: My humble opinion is for you to..... lucky for you I'm a nice guy So nice to always beat! Quote: We run an honest store and try everything we get so we can "honestly" recommend products to people based on their needs. If we only carried Pentax we wouldn't be able to cover all the needs that people have. Our biggest seller is still Pentax so it's all good RH, no matter what DPReview says we have a wall of photos from joes to pros shooting Pentax that would make you stop saying crap about the brand I have no interest about your shop actually and I don't think anything I say and said here will need any counter proof at your shop nor I'm interested. As always in the past and will not be changed in the future, my aspirations for a good Pentax DSLR body and system will have nothing to do with any commercial affairs. That's why I selected to post here with Adam/Mo's original intention of setting up the PentaxForums (it was told to keep this site Ad free and NOT commercial related).

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06-06-2008, 08:03 PM	#16
codiac2600 Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 2,027	Originally posted by RiceHigh Are you impolite and unfriendly each time I posted something and made my opinions? You have no opinions just ramblings... Originally posted by RiceHigh I think you should not acquire any Sony stock in the first place as the Pentaxes are far superior whereas others are problematic. Just run a specialised Pentax shop which sell only Pentax - my humble suggestion for you and your shop! This will surely relief the staff of your shop the troubles of doing the QC, disappointed and then forced to return all these "junk" products.. My humble opinion is for you to..... lucky for you I'm a nice guy We run an honest store and try everything we get so we can "honestly" recommend products to people based on their needs. If we only carried Pentax we wouldn't be able to cover all the needs that people have. Our biggest seller is still Pentax so it's all good RH, no matter what DPReview says we have a wall of photos from joes to pros shooting Pentax that would make you stop saying crap about the brand

06-06-2008, 08:29 PM	#17
Maxington Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 255	Originally posted by RiceHigh The amount of details and good colours retained are amazing for the K20D. However, these comes together with the cost of very visible noises. You can post-process noise if required. You can't post-process detail back. I'd rather keep detail AND noise thanks. Pity about the A350, I quite liked the slick Live View setup on it, even though it has an absolutely atrocious viewfinder. It'd be a great dedicated macro camera, especially in nature shots. Pity Sony lenses are ridiculously expensive as well.

06-06-2008, 08:59 PM	#18
nakey Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 208	Originally posted by codiac2600 We run an honest store and try everything we get so we can "honestly" recommend products to people based on their needs. If we only carried Pentax we wouldn't be able to cover all the needs that people have. Our biggest seller is still Pentax so it's all good RH, no matter what DPReview says we have a wall of photos from joes to pros shooting Pentax that would make you stop saying crap about the brand I wish you had a store near me

06-06-2008, 11:24 PM	#20
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by Maxington You can post-process noise if required. You can't post-process detail back. I'd rather keep detail AND noise thanks. Pity about the A350, I quite liked the slick Live View setup on it, even though it has an absolutely atrocious viewfinder. It'd be a great dedicated macro camera, especially in nature shots. Pity Sony lenses are ridiculously expensive as well. Agreed. But the noise level at ISO 800 seems too much to me. (Although as I said in my first post, the details and colors retained are amazing). In short, that means that the sensor by itself is still noisy, owing to the very high pixel density on a small sensor (format).

06-06-2008, 11:59 PM	#21
simons-photography Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northamptonshire - England Photos: Gallery Posts: 496	oh shut up !

06-07-2008, 03:07 AM	#22
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	In my opinion, Chris has always been polite, objective and honest in his assessment of products discussed here at Pentax Forums. If he looses his cool at times it is more due to an obvious personal bias towards certain products by some. As I have recently stated, the Pentax K20D and being a CMOS sensor, has some of the best output images to date of any camera on the market. I do find that it has an output similar to a mix between Canon and Nikon images, which I quite frankly really like. At 100 percent the K20D does not have the hatch (vertical and horizontal patterns) pixel rendition the the K10D seems to show when PIXEL Peeping. The only camera's in my view that compete with the output of the K20D are the top end Nikons and Canons. IMHO It definitely outperforms the Canon 40D and Nikon 300D. That is the reason I am still with Pentax. My sole concern is the quality of the output at low to medium iso i.e. 100-400 iso. That is where I do most of my work. I will be doing a couple of album covers for some artists with Warner Music and will use my K20D's for this job. I have no qualms using this tool and will do so with confidence. Ben

06-07-2008, 03:31 AM	#23
simons-photography Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Northamptonshire - England Photos: Gallery Posts: 496	I choose pentax (after starting to like fuji and realizing they are nuts) because they seem to go that extra mile in quality and features but retain a very competitive price this is my hobby and I shouldn't really spend money but i know that in buying a pentax I made a good investment and will never be able to say I was coned or watsed the hard earned cash

06-07-2008, 04:28 AM	#24
lol101 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Garennes sur Eure France Photos: Gallery Posts: 899	Originally posted by benjikan My sole concern is the quality of the output at low to medium iso i.e. 100-400 iso. Ben Agreed, in the 100-400 region, the K20 is remarkable. It is still very detailled but increasingly noisy up to ISO 1600. This is where I stop because ISO 3200 and 6400 are just too noisy for me. Hey! Isn't it funny?! It's just what concluded a "not so Popular" Photography magazine that was lynched around here quite some time ago to dare say that results were very good up to ISO 1600 but strongly degraded by noise afterwards...