buttons moved from Kx to K50

jeantree · 06-14-2015, 08:38 AM

I just got a K50, a small step up from my Kx, which I am keeping, partly for my husband to use. Anyway, I'm finding it quite aggravating that the buttons are in different places. Even on the 4 way button, the ISO, WB, flash and timer have been rotated. The flash up button is also in a different place, well I guess because it's a separate button on the K50, I can handle that, since I don't use it much. But why rotate around the 4 way? If I do another upgrade in a few years, is it going to be different again? Going to make it difficult to switch back and forth.

**jatrax** · 06-14-2015, 08:44 AM - **1 Like**

I feel your pain. I use a k-3 and k-5IIs and while they are close they AF button was moved. Arguably the most used button on the camera. I really like the k-3 location, but moving back and forth on different cameras takes some getting used to.

aleonx3 · 06-14-2015, 08:50 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jatrax

I feel your pain. I use a k-3 and k-5IIs and while they are close they AF button was moved. Arguably the most used button on the camera. I really like the k-3 location, but moving back and forth on different cameras takes some getting used to.

Same here... I feel your pain but OTOH, I think it is smart move to improve instead of stuck in the old design (look at the Canikon models...

)

**jatrax** · 06-14-2015, 09:07 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by aleonx3

Same here... I feel your pain but OTOH, I think it is smart move to improve instead of stuck in the old design (look at the Canikon models...)

True. The k-3 layout is very good. I've no complaints.

lytrytyr · 06-14-2015, 09:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jeantree

I just got a K50, a small step up from my Kx, which I am keeping, partly for my husband to use. Anyway, I'm finding it quite aggravating that the buttons are in different places. Even on the 4 way button, the ISO, WB, flash and timer have been rotated.

I also added a K-50 to a K-x, and noticed the difference in the ISO button location.
However, it's usually not a problem, when I'm in Av mode on the K-50,
as I have the front wheel assigned to change the ISO.

jeantree · 06-14-2015, 10:27 AM

Originally posted by aleonx3

Same here... I feel your pain but OTOH, I think it is smart move to improve instead of stuck in the old design (look at the Canikon models...

)

But why is rotating the 4 way buttons an improvement? All 4 are in a different place. (it's not even rotated, it's just moved) I get moving or adding a button, but this just seems arbitrary. Can you tell me if the buttons on a K3 or K5 like the K50? On K50 top is ISO, right is shutter, left is flash, bottom is WB.

**jatrax** · 06-14-2015, 11:51 AM

On k-3 and k-5 series:
Top = Drive mode
Right = jpeg parameters
Left = White Balance
Bottom = Flash

Looks they are all moved

I don't have a k-50 to compare.

**boriscleto** · 06-14-2015, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

Looks they are all moved

I don't have a k-50 to compare.

Ahem...

Compare camera dimensions side by side

lytrytyr · 06-14-2015, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

Ahem...

Compare camera dimensions side by side

It takes a lot of clicks from there to get the back views.

**boriscleto** · 06-14-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

It takes a lot of clicks from there to get the back views.

I'm sorry you have to click 3 times...

Fogel70 · 06-14-2015, 01:17 PM - **1 Like**

I believe we have to blame "Marc Newson" for this, as K-01 was the first K-mont camera with new layout (or perhaps they wanted to use the same layout as on Q).
On prior cameras most buttons had the same placement on entry level and advanced cameras (except for ISO-button that is a separate button on higher models)

http://camerasize.com/compact/#229,619,462,ha,b

jeantree · 06-14-2015, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by jatrax

On k-3 and k-5 series:
Top = Drive mode
Right = jpeg parameters
Left = White Balance
Bottom = Flash

Looks they are all moved

I don't have a k-50 to compare.

Yep, not just moved but different 4 things. *sigh* Oh well, it will keep my mind sharp in my old age. (or drive me crazy

)

---------- Post added 06-14-15 at 04:14 PM ----------

Originally posted by boriscleto

Ahem...

Compare camera dimensions side by side

I'm not sure what you are getting at? The dimensions don't bother me at all.

Not a Number · 06-14-2015, 02:17 PM

The K-S1 and K-S2 have the same layout as the K-50 on the 4-way controller. It looks like on bodies that don't have a separate ISO button use this layout.

On my K10D pressing the "OK" button allows me to change the ISO with the front eDial in all modes but Sv and TAv. I think this works with other bodies too.

---------- Post added 06-14-15 at 02:19 PM ----------

Originally posted by jeantree

I'm not sure what you are getting at? The dimensions don't bother me at all.

You can compare rear views of the various models side by side - click on the control panel on the left to change views.

**boriscleto** · 06-14-2015, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by jeantree

Yep, not just moved but different 4 things. *sigh* Oh well, it will keep my mind sharp in my old age. (or drive me crazy

)

---------- Post added 06-14-15 at 04:14 PM ----------

I'm not sure what you are getting at? The dimensions don't bother me at all.

That was for Jatrax. You can see the back of both cameras side by side...

fredralphfred · 06-14-2015, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by jeantree

. . . The flash up button is also in a different place, well I guess because it's a separate button on the K50 . . .

I just upgraded from a K200D to a K50, and also discovered that not everything was an upgrade. Don't misunderstand -- I don't want to go back -- but in many ways the K200D was a nicer camera than the K50, despite being in the same spot in the line-up.

I was chagrined to note that the reason for the flash pop-up move was because it is purely mechanical -- the camera seems to have no way to pop up the flash itself in auto mode. Am I missing an option, or is that a feature that is truly missing from this camera? Also, the flash catch and construction of the built-in flash seem much weedier compared to my K200D.

06-14-2015, 08:38 AM	#1
jeantree Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Missouri Photos: Gallery Posts: 221	buttons moved from Kx to K50 I just got a K50, a small step up from my Kx, which I am keeping, partly for my husband to use. Anyway, I'm finding it quite aggravating that the buttons are in different places. Even on the 4 way button, the ISO, WB, flash and timer have been rotated. The flash up button is also in a different place, well I guess because it's a separate button on the K50, I can handle that, since I don't use it much. But why rotate around the 4 way? If I do another upgrade in a few years, is it going to be different again? Going to make it difficult to switch back and forth.

06-14-2015, 08:50 AM - 1 Like	#3
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by jatrax I feel your pain. I use a k-3 and k-5IIs and while they are close they AF button was moved. Arguably the most used button on the camera. I really like the k-3 location, but moving back and forth on different cameras takes some getting used to. Same here... I feel your pain but OTOH, I think it is smart move to improve instead of stuck in the old design (look at the Canikon models...)

06-14-2015, 10:27 AM	#6
jeantree Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Missouri Photos: Gallery Posts: 221 Original Poster	Originally posted by aleonx3 Same here... I feel your pain but OTOH, I think it is smart move to improve instead of stuck in the old design (look at the Canikon models...) But why is rotating the 4 way buttons an improvement? All 4 are in a different place. (it's not even rotated, it's just moved) I get moving or adding a button, but this just seems arbitrary. Can you tell me if the buttons on a K3 or K5 like the K50? On K50 top is ISO, right is shutter, left is flash, bottom is WB.

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06-14-2015, 08:44 AM - 1 Like	#2
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	I feel your pain. I use a k-3 and k-5IIs and while they are close they AF button was moved. Arguably the most used button on the camera. I really like the k-3 location, but moving back and forth on different cameras takes some getting used to.

06-14-2015, 09:07 AM - 1 Like	#4
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by aleonx3 Same here... I feel your pain but OTOH, I think it is smart move to improve instead of stuck in the old design (look at the Canikon models...) True. The k-3 layout is very good. I've no complaints.

06-14-2015, 09:37 AM - 1 Like	#5
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by jeantree I just got a K50, a small step up from my Kx, which I am keeping, partly for my husband to use. Anyway, I'm finding it quite aggravating that the buttons are in different places. Even on the 4 way button, the ISO, WB, flash and timer have been rotated. I also added a K-50 to a K-x, and noticed the difference in the ISO button location. However, it's usually not a problem, when I'm in Av mode on the K-50, as I have the front wheel assigned to change the ISO.

06-14-2015, 11:51 AM	#7
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	On k-3 and k-5 series: Top = Drive mode Right = jpeg parameters Left = White Balance Bottom = Flash Looks they are all moved I don't have a k-50 to compare.

06-14-2015, 12:20 PM	#8
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by jatrax Looks they are all moved I don't have a k-50 to compare. Ahem... Compare camera dimensions side by side

06-14-2015, 12:27 PM	#9
lytrytyr Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2011 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,310	Originally posted by boriscleto Ahem... Compare camera dimensions side by side It takes a lot of clicks from there to get the back views.

06-14-2015, 12:50 PM	#10
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by lytrytyr It takes a lot of clicks from there to get the back views. I'm sorry you have to click 3 times...

06-14-2015, 01:17 PM - 1 Like	#11
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	I believe we have to blame "Marc Newson" for this, as K-01 was the first K-mont camera with new layout (or perhaps they wanted to use the same layout as on Q). On prior cameras most buttons had the same placement on entry level and advanced cameras (except for ISO-button that is a separate button on higher models) http://camerasize.com/compact/#229,619,462,ha,b

06-14-2015, 02:12 PM	#12
jeantree Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Missouri Photos: Gallery Posts: 221 Original Poster	Originally posted by jatrax On k-3 and k-5 series: Top = Drive mode Right = jpeg parameters Left = White Balance Bottom = Flash Looks they are all moved I don't have a k-50 to compare. Yep, not just moved but different 4 things. sigh Oh well, it will keep my mind sharp in my old age. (or drive me crazy ) ---------- Post added 06-14-15 at 04:14 PM ---------- Originally posted by boriscleto Ahem... Compare camera dimensions side by side I'm not sure what you are getting at? The dimensions don't bother me at all.

06-14-2015, 02:17 PM	#13
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	The K-S1 and K-S2 have the same layout as the K-50 on the 4-way controller. It looks like on bodies that don't have a separate ISO button use this layout. On my K10D pressing the "OK" button allows me to change the ISO with the front eDial in all modes but Sv and TAv. I think this works with other bodies too. ---------- Post added 06-14-15 at 02:19 PM ---------- Originally posted by jeantree I'm not sure what you are getting at? The dimensions don't bother me at all. You can compare rear views of the various models side by side - click on the control panel on the left to change views.

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06-14-2015, 03:56 PM	#14
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,475	Originally posted by jeantree Yep, not just moved but different 4 things. sigh Oh well, it will keep my mind sharp in my old age. (or drive me crazy ) ---------- Post added 06-14-15 at 04:14 PM ---------- I'm not sure what you are getting at? The dimensions don't bother me at all. That was for Jatrax. You can see the back of both cameras side by side...

06-14-2015, 04:38 PM	#15
fredralphfred Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Orting, WA Posts: 252	Originally posted by jeantree . . . The flash up button is also in a different place, well I guess because it's a separate button on the K50 . . . I just upgraded from a K200D to a K50, and also discovered that not everything was an upgrade. Don't misunderstand -- I don't want to go back -- but in many ways the K200D was a nicer camera than the K50, despite being in the same spot in the line-up. I was chagrined to note that the reason for the flash pop-up move was because it is purely mechanical -- the camera seems to have no way to pop up the flash itself in auto mode. Am I missing an option, or is that a feature that is truly missing from this camera? Also, the flash catch and construction of the built-in flash seem much weedier compared to my K200D.