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06-29-2015, 09:31 PM   #16
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I'm specifically looking for something with fine-grained control in Pentax's high-end/semi-professional range. I used to have a Pentax K10D, which I loved. So, replicating that experience is important as opposed to getting an entry-level/mid-range camera that doesn't do that.

I can get a Pentax 16-45mm for $230. I'll take a look into the Pentax 18-135mm as well.

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Sigma or Tamron 17-50 f/2.8 has good reputation if you want a faster lens. Sigma 17-70 f/2.8 - 4.5 is a good choice too, really sharp and ideal for covering wide to long end! But none of the non-Pentax has weather sealing, only Pentax own. But I suggest Sigma if you're on a tight budget, they cost less and are very nice performers. Myself, I have the Sigma 18-50 f/2.8 - 4.5 DC HSM OS and it's really sharp and contrasty, really nice this could be one option too but the wide end is not so wide. However, this Sigma has some more problems with flare than Pentax own lenses so the included lens hood is a must - but it do cost less than Pentax kit lenses (DA 18-55 f/3.5 - 5.6) cost when bought separately.
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The K-50 has excellent control. Two wheels, plenty of buttons, intuitive menus. When I debated k-5 vs k-30 (identical to k-50), the focus peaking and faster computer in the k-50/k-30 won for me over vs the top lcd and one or two extra buttons on the K-5. The magnesium body and quiet shutter would be fantastic, but I use focus peaking and live view often enough that I am glad I chose the K-30.
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QuoteOriginally posted by sabzijoon Quote
I'm specifically looking for something with fine-grained control in Pentax's high-end/semi-professional range. I used to have a Pentax K10D, which I loved. So, replicating that experience is important as opposed to getting an entry-level/mid-range camera that doesn't do that.

I can get a Pentax 16-45mm for $230. I'll take a look into the Pentax 18-135mm as well.
I don't know what you mean regarding "fine-grained control" - as far as I know every Pentax dslr has been identical in that respect, it's just been a matter of how it's implemented (number of separate physical controls.) If you mean missing the top lcd, I can see that point - I've always had one (since digital, that is) so I can't comment on how hard it would be to adapt to not having it.

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I went from the K100D Super to the K50 - the loss of the top LCD was annoying but not the end of the world. I have no experience with the K5 so I can't compare. The lack of SCN modes in the K5 bugs me but I don't use them so I don't know why it irks me. LOL
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QuoteOriginally posted by ScooterMaxi Jim Quote
I'd have trouble with the used K-5 at that price point when the K-50 new with warranty gives you nearly the same pricing. The K-5 is more refined and quieter with some great advanced features for those who are already well acquainted with the finer aspects of dSLR, but the K-50 provides sharper images, vastly better live view capability, better flash consistency, quicker focusing... and a warranty!

The 16-45 is a fine lens for the money if the range isn't an issue - but you really can't use it for portraits. The 18-135 is a pretty significant step down in IQ, closer to the 18-55 kit, frankly; which is still fine. But it actually does portraits pretty well for an all-arounder, and gives you WR at an affordable price. If you need that range, it is a fine performer. Others here will defend it as equal to the 16-45, or the 17-70 (Sigma or Pentax), but the range simply does not allow for that - and I'm yet to see a single image from it that would rate as stunning.
Where are you getting your information about the 18-135 being a step down from the 16-45. I'm curious. The one thing I notice from the photozone charts, is the 18-135 while significantly softer on the edges at ƒ4 has completely caught up and surpassed the 16-45 by ƒ 5.6, and the CA values up to about 30mm, will probably kill any micro-contrast you hope to achieve. The 16-45 has some strong points, but, the 18-135 has some equally compelling strong points, and less CA.

http://www.photozone.de/pentax/134-pentax-smc-da-16-45mm-f4-ed-al-review--test-report?start=1

http://www.photozone.de/pentax/134-pentax-smc-da-16-45mm-f4-ed-al-review--test-report?start=1

I'm just curious how you came to this conclusion.

A freind has one, I may have to do some comparison images, if I can convince her to bring it up. But that being said... my images taken at 50mm would suggest the 18-135 doesn't take a back seat to any lens. Zoom or prime. To me, it's a situation of not living with 50mm 4.5, and the 16-50 is hardly much better in that regard. 18-24 mm, the 16-45 is actually slower.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/10-pentax-slr-lens-discussion/297821-50mm-what-use.html

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I would spend $150 more and get the K5iis

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Thanks for all your feedback. I was able to get a good deal on a Pentax 16-45mm f/4. It cost $165 in like new condition. Since the wide angle was important to me, I went for it instead of other lenses. The range should cover most of my needs. Though, I'm also trying to round out my kit and wanted to ask which additional lenses you guys think I should get. I was thinking of a telephoto zoom and a prime to use in low light. These are some that I'm considering:

Pentax 55-300mm WR
Pentax 50-200mm WR
Pentax DA 50mm/1.8
Pentax DA 35mm/2.4

Selecting the Pentax 50-200mm WR and the Pentax DA 50mm/1.8 gives me the cheapest option. Depending on which lens I choose, I may able to only afford one, so value is important as well.

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The DA 50-200 is the cheapest option, because its the first lens you;ll stop using as you get better lenses. Something like a Sigma 70-300 might even be preferable. The Sigma is a decent lens from 70-180, from 200-300 not so good, but the long range macro is a great bonus., but, there are some images in the kit lens club taken by the 50-200 that stand out... the 55-300 is the best you're going to get until you got to DA* lenses in the long end. It's the goto lens until you're ready to spend over $1000 for a lens. The DA 50 1.8 and 35 2.4 are great lenses. But of the lenses on that list my recommendation would be a 55-300, look for one used in the Forum Marketplace.

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I was able to get a good deal on a Pentax 16-45mm f/4. It cost $165 in like new condition.
Even I'd pay that for it, and I'm really cheap.... lucky guy..
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Echo the above. You can get great shots with virtually any lens. However the 55-300 is more consistent than the 50-200. The 50 f/1.8 and 35 f/2.4 are nice inexpensive primes. The selection of one over the other depends on the intended use. The 35 is more of a normal lens, varied subjects, etc. The 50 is faster by one stop, and is a reasonable portrait lens and short telephoto.

BTW I own a DA 50-200, a DA 55-300, a DA 35 f/2.4, and an F 50 f/1.7 (very similar to the DA 50) so I have firsthand experience with them.
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If only one from what you posted the 55-300.
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I got the 55-300mm WR for $281, pretty sweet deal I think. So, K-5, 16-45mm and that lens and It think I'm covered for my trip. I'll probably add in a macro later on.
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I think we probably all think you are much much more than merely covered for your trip - those 3 items make up an excellent travel kit. Plenty of versatility, and because you have only two zooms the need to change lenses will be much rarer.

Now, what else can we tempt you to buy?

A nice camera bag.
A lightweight tripod, I recommend the Sirui TC-025X
1 or 2 circular polarising filters
A Yongnuo 560 flashgun
A beanbag camera support
At least one more battery
A cheap shutter remote
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Like others, I would recomend the 18-135 as a great all round lens. I am surprised Ricoh has dropped it from its lineup. It may not be the fastest and my particular model can suffer from lens zoom creep when on a BlackRapid Strap which is a bit irritating at times.

Have you thought about the 18(I think)-270 (Tamron or Pentax). It also has its afficionados but check the reviews first.
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QuoteOriginally posted by LoneWolf Quote
Like others, I would recomend the 18-135 as a great all round lens. I am surprised Ricoh has dropped it from its lineup. It may not be the fastest and my particular model can suffer from lens zoom creep when on a BlackRapid Strap which is a bit irritating at times.

Have you thought about the 18(I think)-270 (Tamron or Pentax). It also has its afficionados but check the reviews first.
Why do you think the 18-135 is no longer a current lens?

smc PENTAX DA 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 ED AL (IF) DC WR | Pentax
http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/camera-lenses/smc_PENTAX-DA_18-135mm_F3.5-5.6_ED_AL_[IF]_DC_WR
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