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06-19-2008, 07:30 AM   #1
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Had sights set on K200D, now considering a K100D Super

I have been thinking about a DLSR for months now.

I had decided on a K200D, the main reason was becuase I didn't want to be restricted to a low ISO of 200 with the K100D.

Well, now I'm seeing that there are some good deals on used K100's and the new ones are very affordable as well. So why spend the extra $$$?

My question, will I be lacking tremendously by getting the K100D?

Is having a low ISO of 200 instead of 100 that big of a deal? I guess I think about this because I am used to the point and shoot cameras. The DSLR's do not suffer from the noise problems I would assume?

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i think the weather sealing, availability of a grip, and the bigger resolution sensor are worth the price difference between the 100d and 200d
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I can't speak specifically for the K100D, but Nikons have historically had no ISO100 setting. When hearing about the D3, they added it back, but the ISO100 quality is worse than ISO200, so we see why they left it out in the past.

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I have the K10 and K100, though my K100 is currently on the way to Japan for cleaning and other general maintenance stuff (warranty expires Friday, so I sent it for servicing while both shipping and servicing are free) Anyway, using my K10D in an indoor situation, I sorely missed the high ISO capabilities of my K100... dunno about the K200, though it has the same sensor as the K10D, not sure if high ISO images are much improved... dunno if this helps, but if ever I get a K20, I'd sell my K10 and keep the K100. But that's just me...

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QuoteOriginally posted by skid2964 Quote
My question, will I be lacking tremendously by getting the K100D?

Is having a low ISO of 200 instead of 100 that big of a deal?
Lowest ISO of 200 indicates it's so "clean" there that ISO100 brings no improvement. It should be seen as a plus in the sense you can halve shutter without paying back in noise increase. So unless you need ISO100 for a specific reason don't let it deter you.
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OK, with K200D you are getting K10D sensor in body that is cross between K10D and K1x0. So you'll get 10mpx (it comes useful if you do a lot of cropping, otherwise 6mpx is enough), weather sealing, green & RAW buttons, vertical grip, and ISO 100, but you it's smaller (then K10D), has only 1 dial, lacks AF button, and to change metering, AF-C v AF-S, and AF points selection, you have to go to menu. Personaly as K100D owner I only miss ISO 100 when sometimes longer time is desirable (fe: shooting water), but I really miss second dial (must be great to be Av mode, and ajust f stop with one dial and ISO with other). So it's a tough choice! But there is one think I'd like to know.
So here is question for owners of K100D and K200D. How does shutter/mirror slap compares? One of the biggest downsides of K1x0D series is it's very loud shutter/mirror box. Is K200D any better in this?
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QuoteOriginally posted by skid2964 Quote
I have been thinking about a DLSR for months now.

I had decided on a K200D, the main reason was becuase I didn't want to be restricted to a low ISO of 200 with the K100D.

Well, now I'm seeing that there are some good deals on used K100's and the new ones are very affordable as well. So why spend the extra $$$?

My question, will I be lacking tremendously by getting the K100D?

Is having a low ISO of 200 instead of 100 that big of a deal? I guess I think about this because I am used to the point and shoot cameras. The DSLR's do not suffer from the noise problems I would assume?
I had the k100d for just a month before I switched to the K200d, I thought I would miss the 3200 ISO setting but after my purchase of a dirt cheap used 50mm f2.0 manual focus lens, I can now take shots in low light even at the 100 ISO, now I don't regret making the switch one bit, low light pics at low ISOs and at full 10MP resolution? What more could ask for?

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Shutterpuppy, you've owned both K100D and K200D. How does the shutter/mirror slap compare? Is it quieter?
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Shutterpuppy, you've owned both K100D and K200D. How does the shutter/mirror slap compare? Is it quieter?
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Axl, I've also owned both. The shutter slap on the K200 is a bit quieter than the K100. Not on the magnitude of Canon quiet, but it is quieter.

With regards to ISO, I rarely use ISO 100 so it's not a concern. I've not been able to tell much difference between 100 and 200 ISO.
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Axl, I've also owned both. The shutter slap on the K200 is a bit quieter than the K100. Not on the magnitude of Canon quiet, but it is quieter.

With regards to ISO, I rarely use ISO 100 so it's not a concern. I've not been able to tell much difference between 100 and 200 ISO.
"Canon quiet"? which Canon model do you compare it to?
I consider any Canon body i owned (Rebel T2, Elan7, EOS3, 30d) loud compared the K20D (which is the only pentax i can compare it to)
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QuoteOriginally posted by morfic Quote
"Canon quiet"? which Canon model do you compare it to?
I consider any Canon body i owned (Rebel T2, Elan7, EOS3, 30d) loud compared the K20D (which is the only pentax i can compare it to)
You may very well be correct. I can only compare the Canons I've played with (40D, XTI) with the K100 and K200. I've never even seen a K10 or K20 in person.
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QuoteOriginally posted by skid2964 Quote
I have been thinking about a DLSR for months now.

I had decided on a K200D, the main reason was becuase I didn't want to be restricted to a low ISO of 200 with the K100D.
Don't worry about the lack of ISO 100. There's nothing magic about ISO 100! The K100D at ISO 200 produces pictures that are noise-free, which is all you need. If you want to think of it this way, it doesn't NEED ISO 100.


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Well, now I'm seeing that there are some good deals on used K100's and the new ones are very affordable as well. So why spend the extra $$$?
Why indeed.


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My question, will I be lacking tremendously by getting the K100D
No, you won't.

This is your first dslr. I think that makes a difference.

You probably don't need the K200d's weather-sealing. To be honest, I don't think very many people really need weather sealing. One of the best dslrs ever made - the Canon 5D - isn't weather sealed and that didn't keep it from getting a terrific rep among wedding photographers and other pros.

You probably also don't need the K200D's higher resolution. The res of the K100D is excellent, quite high enough for taking GREAT photos and for blowing 'em real good. (Any SCTV fans in the audience?) In fact, higher res cameras have a downside: those higher res photos are saved as really big files, which means you get fewer on an SD card and need a bigger hard drive to store them all on. My personal opinion is that anything over about 6 MB is overkill for most amateurs, especially beginners. Not very many years ago, 6 MB was a goal that pros dreamed of. It was good then, it's still good now.

And I certainly don't think you should worry about something as trivial as shutter noise! Even the K200D's shutter makes enough noise to be heard clearly in a church. Put 'em side by side and you might notice that the K100D's shutter is a tad louder, but no dslr's shutter is silent. (Actually I'm not sure I'm right about that, but it's close enough to true.) Don't worry about the shutter noise! I rode in a Jaguar a couple of years ago. One of the things I remember about it is how solid the doors felt when you closed them - quite unlike the doors on my Isuzu. But gosh, I would not go out and buy a Jaguar because the doors feel solid when they close. That would be, well, nuts.

Now, if you want to consider something different, consider buying a K10D. You can't find one new any more on the major online sites like Amazon, B&H or Adorama, but I've seen them on the shelves in camera stores here in Dallas and you might find one, if you shop around, for about the same price you'd spend on a K200D. The K10D is a serious step up. It's not that the photos you take with the K10D would be automatically better - they would not be. But the K10D's body design and ergonomics are superior to those of the K100D or the K200D.

But if you don't want to search for a new K10D and don't want to buy used (which I fully understand), then save your money, buy the K100D, and get yourself a good lens like the Pentax 16-45 f/4 or the Tamron 28-75 f/2.8. Remember, lenses matter more than bodies and lenses last longer, too.

By the way, why are you thinking of Pentax? Do you have Pentax lenses already? Have you thought about alternatives, like the Nikon D40 or D60?

Good luck.

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By the way, why are you thinking of Pentax? Do you have Pentax lenses already? Have you thought about alternatives, like the Nikon D40 or D60?

Good luck.

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I have thought long and hard and researched even harder, everything, for me points to Pentax. So much so, I got very interested in the Pentax film SLR's, now I have a few bodies and some lenses.

I have been thinking about the K10D since I first posted this, I have a few I am watching on eBay. I guess I'm waiting for the right deal, *IST, K100D, K10D. I just want a DSLR, but I think I would prefer the K10D over all the rest.
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Skid,

I have a K100D and Will is right about what a big step up if you go with K10D in terms of ergonomic and features. I wish K10D had K100D high ISO capability....well I guess
K10D body + K100D High ISO = K20D

If you like to shoot in a very low lighting, consider K100D or K100D Super.
Trust me, you will be surprise to see it yourself how good the ISO1600 is from K100D.

Combined my K100D + FA 43Ltd = Satisfaction

I guess the reasons to consider if you want to get the K200D over K100D super are:
1. Do you need a weather sealed camera?
2. Do you need higher pixel?
3. Do you want to adjust WB easier? -- this is also one thing lacking from K100D. I saw in K200D manual, it has WB adjustment like K10D. This one is a really important feature in my opinion.

So if you answer NO to those 3 questions, I guess you are better off with K100D/K100D Super. (My suggestion, get K100D Super over K100D since you'll have the SDM capability and dust shake reduction)

Maybe somebody else want to add more?
I don't have K200D, so this is a subjective opinion.
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The K100D has outstanding high-ISO. Better than the K20D's!

The K200D has weather sealing and fidgety wireless flash controls; in-camera RAW processing, pretty much a K10D copied into a K100D body.

I don't need any of the extra features of the K200D; though I wouldn't mind having SDM support and dust-removal features. (I own the standard K100D. "Supers" have SDM support and DR)
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