So with the FF postponed to early next year.....

Culture · 09-20-2015, 10:28 PM

are we going to see a new APS-C flagship before that. Isnt that already due?

If I remember right the rumors was that FF will be released in October and new APS-C early next year.

Culture.

Sandy Hancock · 09-20-2015, 10:59 PM

I very much doubt it. The K-3 mark II was only released a couple of months ago.
Let's hope for a few tasty new lenses while we wait!

**RobA_Oz** · 09-20-2015, 11:15 PM

It's hard to see where a new APS-C camera could be positioned, given that the previous entry-level K500 doesn't seem to have sold that well, and the K-S2 looks to be the successor to the K50. There isn't much room in specification terms, let alone price, in between the K-S2 and the K-3/ii. It might be that some of the new features of the forthcoming 35FF body could be integrated into a high-end APS-C body, to create a direct rival to the Nikon D300, but the K-3 is nearly there anyway. Of course, so far we're only considering a DSLR, and there could also be an APS-C body released of the other not-to-be-mentioned-aloud type of ILC...

romeck · 09-20-2015, 11:55 PM

Originally posted by Culture

are we going to see a new APS-C flagship before that?

autumn / winter 2016

Not so for a long time...

rawr · 09-21-2015, 01:19 AM

Originally posted by Culture

are we going to see a new APS-C flagship before that. Isnt that already due?

Pentax should focus all their energy on releasing the FF. Once that's done, then they can do a new APS-C flagship. The FF needs to be finished.

If the FF has some innovations and interesting tech, as has been suggested, the new APS-C flagship may be able to inherit some of that.

chromo · 09-21-2015, 02:16 AM - **1 Like**

I for one, am not in a hurry for the FF release. I would rather see that they get it perfect before it hits the market.

MarkJerling · 09-21-2015, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by chromo

I for one, am not in a hurry for the FF release. I would rather see that they get it perfect before it hits the market.

Could not agree more!

biz-engineer · 09-21-2015, 03:46 AM

I do not expect a new APSC model to be released prior or during the FF development phase and release. I guess that a new APSC model may be developed with a new 28Mp or 30Mp BSI sensor, after the FF will be fully released. What to do for the time being? Consolidate our APSC setup (get this lens that we don't have or sell the lens that we don't use), and/or save money for a full frame (either Pentax or Nikon or anything that's going to come next). I think we're at an interesting time, who knows if the FF DLSR will because the new mainstream, or mirroless, or if APSC will still remain as most used type of camera (excluding cameraphones). If the FF DSLR prices do not drop a bit, I don't see how FF DSLR could spread more; mirrorless is nice in terms of price, size and weight, but does not do as much as DSLR can do.

**RobA_Oz** · 09-21-2015, 03:48 AM

Finishing off the FF is not going to occupy the entire Pentax development team. Whether the remainder are working on the next APS-C, the next Q or the next 645 is an unknown, but they'll be working on something, probably all three and maybe a few more.

Steve.Ledger · 09-21-2015, 04:10 AM - **2 Likes**

Who said the FF has been postponed?
There was never any official release date.

biz-engineer · 09-21-2015, 04:36 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Steve.Ledger

Who said the FF has been postponed?

The FF was not postponed, it was expected to be launched to market end of 2015, written after CP+ 2015 press announcement, and since last week someone updated the www.pentax.com with the message "Full Frame by Pentax, 2016 spring debut". Saying that FF was postponed is abusive, it has only been delayed (or not) by unknown amount of time since we don't know what was the original target date and we also don't know what will be the actual release date.

6BQ5 · 09-21-2015, 05:19 AM

I don't think we'll see any new bodies or lenses released this year. Ricoh may be doing production runs of their current models to build up inventory for the holiday season. They're probably also getting ready for holiday pricing too. I'm guessing we'll see the FF body first followed by updated entry level model (K-S3?) and then we'll see a new APS body. Having three active bodies ought to be plenty.

starjedi · 09-21-2015, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The FF was not postponed, it was expected to be launched to market end of 2015, written after CP+ 2015 press announcement, and since last week someone updated the www.pentax.com with the message "Full Frame by Pentax, 2016 spring debut". Saying that FF was postponed is abusive, it has only been delayed (or not) by unknown amount of time since we don't know what was the original target date and we also don't know what will be the actual release date.

It has been delayed for at least two years. First, 24MP as competior of Canon 6D and Nikon 610 and now might change sensor again due to market change?.

IchabodCrane · 09-21-2015, 05:54 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by chromo

I for one, am not in a hurry for the FF release. I would rather see that they get it perfect before it hits the market.

If perfection is what's needed then I think it won't ever be released. At some point, you just have to go with it.

mrNewt · 09-21-2015, 06:04 AM

Originally posted by starjedi

It has been delayed for at least two years. First, 24MP as competior of Canon 6D and Nikon 610 and now might change sensor again due to market change?.

No, it hasn't been 2 years.

There were hopes and wishes from a lot of people for years, but when the actual, official news was given that they are working on the FF is not too long ago. And based on what they promised, they are only delayed for roughly 6 months. Where did you come up with the 2 years?

09-20-2015, 10:28 PM	#1
Culture Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Vaasa Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 818	So with the FF postponed to early next year..... are we going to see a new APS-C flagship before that. Isnt that already due? If I remember right the rumors was that FF will be released in October and new APS-C early next year. Culture.

09-20-2015, 11:55 PM	#4
romeck Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Piekary Śląskie Photos: Albums Posts: 155	18 month between Originally posted by Culture are we going to see a new APS-C flagship before that? autumn / winter 2016 Not so for a long time...

09-21-2015, 04:36 AM - 1 Like	#11
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	Originally posted by Steve.Ledger Who said the FF has been postponed? The FF was not postponed, it was expected to be launched to market end of 2015, written after CP+ 2015 press announcement, and since last week someone updated the www.pentax.com with the message "Full Frame by Pentax, 2016 spring debut". Saying that FF was postponed is abusive, it has only been delayed (or not) by unknown amount of time since we don't know what was the original target date and we also don't know what will be the actual release date. Last edited by biz-engineer; 09-21-2015 at 04:42 AM.

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Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,267	I very much doubt it. The K-3 mark II was only released a couple of months ago. Let's hope for a few tasty new lenses while we wait!

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RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	It's hard to see where a new APS-C camera could be positioned, given that the previous entry-level K500 doesn't seem to have sold that well, and the K-S2 looks to be the successor to the K50. There isn't much room in specification terms, let alone price, in between the K-S2 and the K-3/ii. It might be that some of the new features of the forthcoming 35FF body could be integrated into a high-end APS-C body, to create a direct rival to the Nikon D300, but the K-3 is nearly there anyway. Of course, so far we're only considering a DSLR, and there could also be an APS-C body released of the other not-to-be-mentioned-aloud type of ILC...

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Culture are we going to see a new APS-C flagship before that. Isnt that already due? Pentax should focus all their energy on releasing the FF. Once that's done, then they can do a new APS-C flagship. The FF needs to be finished. If the FF has some innovations and interesting tech, as has been suggested, the new APS-C flagship may be able to inherit some of that.

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chromo Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: North Coast NSW Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 581	I for one, am not in a hurry for the FF release. I would rather see that they get it perfect before it hits the market.

09-21-2015, 02:41 AM	#7
MarkJerling Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: May 2012 Location: Wairarapa, New Zealand Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 20,402	Originally posted by chromo I for one, am not in a hurry for the FF release. I would rather see that they get it perfect before it hits the market. Could not agree more!

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biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,225	I do not expect a new APSC model to be released prior or during the FF development phase and release. I guess that a new APSC model may be developed with a new 28Mp or 30Mp BSI sensor, after the FF will be fully released. What to do for the time being? Consolidate our APSC setup (get this lens that we don't have or sell the lens that we don't use), and/or save money for a full frame (either Pentax or Nikon or anything that's going to come next). I think we're at an interesting time, who knows if the FF DLSR will because the new mainstream, or mirroless, or if APSC will still remain as most used type of camera (excluding cameraphones). If the FF DSLR prices do not drop a bit, I don't see how FF DSLR could spread more; mirrorless is nice in terms of price, size and weight, but does not do as much as DSLR can do.

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RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,191	Finishing off the FF is not going to occupy the entire Pentax development team. Whether the remainder are working on the next APS-C, the next Q or the next 645 is an unknown, but they'll be working on something, probably all three and maybe a few more.

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Steve.Ledger Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Far North Qld Posts: 3,301	Who said the FF has been postponed? There was never any official release date.

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6BQ5 Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Nevada, USA Photos: Albums Posts: 3,348	I don't think we'll see any new bodies or lenses released this year. Ricoh may be doing production runs of their current models to build up inventory for the holiday season. They're probably also getting ready for holiday pricing too. I'm guessing we'll see the FF body first followed by updated entry level model (K-S3?) and then we'll see a new APS body. Having three active bodies ought to be plenty.

09-21-2015, 05:27 AM	#13
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932	Originally posted by biz-engineer The FF was not postponed, it was expected to be launched to market end of 2015, written after CP+ 2015 press announcement, and since last week someone updated the www.pentax.com with the message "Full Frame by Pentax, 2016 spring debut". Saying that FF was postponed is abusive, it has only been delayed (or not) by unknown amount of time since we don't know what was the original target date and we also don't know what will be the actual release date. It has been delayed for at least two years. First, 24MP as competior of Canon 6D and Nikon 610 and now might change sensor again due to market change?.

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09-21-2015, 05:54 AM - 1 Like	#14
IchabodCrane Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,728	Originally posted by chromo I for one, am not in a hurry for the FF release. I would rather see that they get it perfect before it hits the market. If perfection is what's needed then I think it won't ever be released. At some point, you just have to go with it.

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mrNewt Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: ON, RH Posts: 2,181	Originally posted by starjedi It has been delayed for at least two years. First, 24MP as competior of Canon 6D and Nikon 610 and now might change sensor again due to market change?. No, it hasn't been 2 years. There were hopes and wishes from a lot of people for years, but when the actual, official news was given that they are working on the FF is not too long ago. And based on what they promised, they are only delayed for roughly 6 months. Where did you come up with the 2 years?