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11-06-2015, 12:51 PM   #61
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QuoteOriginally posted by pathdoc Quote
Okay, if you can do that handheld in a hurry with a cranky K-5, you've got nothing to fear. Blow 'em away.
Cheers pathdoc. Really means a lot to me

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That's an amazing photo!
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
The title of this thread already implies it is "Pentax vs the World". Full of themselves Nikon owners....lol. How isnt this, by definition, inferiority complex?

I am sure that there are holier than thou Nikonians just like there are Pentaxians that make fun of MILC owners that hold their cameras at arms length away from their face. But the vast majority of both dont really care at all...they just want to own the best equipment that they can afford with the least amount of hassle.
Observing that someone is "full of themselves" is by no means an indication of an inferiority complex! It's a conclusion based on observation of the person's behaviour. It may not be either complete or accurate, of course.

No-one here, least of all me, has suggested that all Nikon owners are like that, just as not all bike riders are fanatically competitive, but if you turn up to a bike ride on something different to the majority, you know there's a fair chance you're going to attract a derogatory comment from some.
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So for those of you who were Interested in how the workshop went well, terrible conditions for 3 days really, after 2 days of shooting we realized that my 16-50 sdm is broken again (the barrel is moving quite a lot which in some way is causing the lens to not focus properly), but I managed to salvage some Pentax reputation and some half decent photos mounting what I had left, the fa 35mm f2, not ideal for landscapes but better than nothing. At the end of the workshop compared to the 810's, and Sony a7's my photographic eye and technique was complimented quite highly but the general feedback was that I am limited by using the k5. For landscapes I need the resolution. It's a shame the lens broke I must say. Would be happy to post some photo of the workshop if anyone is interested

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Yes I am interested in seeing some of your photos. I also shoot with the K-5.
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Would be happy to post some photo of the workshop if anyone is interested
we are all interested and what did you learn after the workshop ? some technique ? some trick ? some pp tips ? Please share with us (if u don't mind)
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I learnt a lot from the workshop really. I found that some basic fundamentals are essential in landscape photography (well all photography really). There at essential in camera settings that you need to apply to raw prior to shooting. These I should probably discuss in a separate topic. Within the group however there was another pentaxians who shot with a ks and a 15mm. Looking over our shots in raw up against the big bad FF of canon, Nikon and Sony, the difference in DR, resolution, noise and especially sharpness was significant. After this experience the move to FF is a must. If Pentax don't show something soon and something that is going to compare especially to the 810 of Nikon the move over to another brand is going to have to happen to me. The true landscape photographer need to keep his shots so precise all round and all the the Lightroom in the world won't change the final results if these are not respected.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mattox Quote
the difference in DR, resolution, noise and especially sharpness was significant
I find the same when shooting wedding with another Canon 5D guy, I retouch all the photos from both cameras (mine is K3) and create the final album and I see the difference is significant ! the Canon FF has better DR, noise and color tone (ex : skin tone, blue, orange), I hate to admit that my newly bought K3 is not up to the Canon FF level, hope the new Pentax FF will be on shelf soon !

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I suspect the colour tones are more a function of the RGB-space presets/algorithms inherent in the firmware (and those can be changed in menus, IIRC), but yeah, the DR/noise advantage seems to be inherent in the full-frame.
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It's not just a people/camera thing.......Squirrels have this same debate.

Some say bigger is better...


Others say two smaller is better...


I try to stay out of the argument when possible.

Regards!
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QuoteOriginally posted by cali92rs Quote
Plenty of folks do think that crop sensors or even full frame cameras are limiting...if they didn't, there would be no market for full frame or medium format cameras.
Why doesn't everyone shoot with with 1" sensor cameras or micro 4/3 cameras. It is because bigger sensors do indeed offer advantages. So no one should even discuss those advantages because that would be considered bullying?

Seriously, if someone brought a 645Z and said, man i love the way this camera makes my image pop! Would that be "pushing" someone with a D810?
Pentaxians can be sensitive even when no one is actually criticizing them. I think it's a defense mechanism they've developed to stay committed to Pentax despite the abuse they've suffered over the years as FF hopes arise, then are squashed. I think people who are truly content with their gear don't feel threatened by other people being enthusiastic about theirs.

QuoteOriginally posted by Rupert Quote
It's not just a people/camera thing.......Squirrels have this same debate.

Some say bigger is better...


Others say two smaller is better...


I try to stay out of the argument when possible.

Regards!
I bet the squirrel with the bigger one has a cheek-ache by the end of the day from lugging that thing around.

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Here's the new post for those interested in landscape technique


https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/38-photographic-technique/308083-camera-s...ml#post3432690
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mattox Quote
I learnt a lot from the workshop really. I found that some basic fundamentals are essential in landscape photography (well all photography really). There at essential in camera settings that you need to apply to raw prior to shooting. These I should probably discuss in a separate topic. Within the group however there was another pentaxians who shot with a ks and a 15mm. Looking over our shots in raw up against the big bad FF of canon, Nikon and Sony, the difference in DR, resolution, noise and especially sharpness was significant. After this experience the move to FF is a must. If Pentax don't show something soon and something that is going to compare especially to the 810 of Nikon the move over to another brand is going to have to happen to me. The true landscape photographer need to keep his shots so precise all round and all the the Lightroom in the world won't change the final results if these are not respected.
I'd assume the problem is more in that you are comparing a five year old camera to more modern ones. There are many excellent K3 landscape images to be found online, and when paired with a good lens the AA filterless K3/K3 II deliver results so sharp any disadvantage against a D810 becomes a purely theoretical point - measurable in the lab but irrelevant in real life. For all practical purposes (showing on the web, printing biiig) the sharpness is excellent. Declaring the move to FF as a 'must' is simply an excuse, I'd assume that you would not experience a general palpable improvement in your photography when switching to a FF.

"The true landscape photographer need to keep his shots so precise all round ...", that sounds like the workshop was more about turning participants into technical snobs than what actually matters in landscape photography: light, composition, and being in the right place at the right time.

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I find the same when shooting wedding with another Canon 5D guy, I retouch all the photos from both cameras (mine is K3) and create the final album and I see the difference is significant ! the Canon FF has better DR, noise and color tone (ex : skin tone, blue, orange), I hate to admit that my newly bought K3 is not up to the Canon FF level, hope the new Pentax FF will be on shelf soon !
Wait a second there - I'm not surprised that the FF has better noise performance, colours etc., but DR? Based on reviews and the experiences of a lot of the online community Canon trails behind the competition in DR, even when comparing their FF offerings to others' APS-C offerings. The K3 has been tested to have a better dynamic range than the 5D Mk III, at least up to ISO800 or so
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Wait a second there - I'm not surprised that the FF has better noise performance, colours etc., but DR? Based on reviews and the experiences of a lot of the online community Canon trails behind the competition in DR, even when comparing their FF offerings to others' APS-C offerings. The K3 has been tested to have a better dynamic range than the 5D Mk III, at least up to ISO800 or so
I don't know if I use the term DR correctly, which I means is I can drag the exposure slide to the right in LR more before the photos look "weird" (it's not blown out yet), it might be technically still in the dynamic range but the overall (color, brightness) are not the same anymore @_@
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Anyway, here is the results of the k5 after the workshop. I have selected a few pics for you guys to look at. I was surprised to find that against the others and there bug new boys, my photos did shine.


https://500px.com/photo/129415015

https://500px.com/photo/129475691

https://500px.com/photo/129645859

https://500px.com/photo/129766491
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