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10-30-2015, 04:43 AM - 1 Like   #1
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My k5 against 20 Nikon 800's

So in a fortnight I am off to Tuscany on a very interesting workshop in Val d'orcia Tuscany. The workshop is basically set up by an Italian Nikon ambassador and a Lightroom specialist. We are shooting 3 days of intensive sunrise, sunset and startrail landscapes. I have just found out that out of 11 group participants, 9 are all shooting with Nikon d800 and 810's and I am rocking up with my k5. Hahahah. I consider myself a very good landscape photographer with a particular eye for composition. I shoot with a fa 35 f2, sdm 16-50, and on rare occasions 55-300 when needed. I use Cokin nd grads and a manfrotto tripod and almost exclusively shoot in liveview for spot on af. So, I know I will probably get hammered by these Nikon guys with their big machine guns and I am hoping that my little k5 will shine against them when we go back for some post production, but any suggestions on how to let's say "defend myself". Funny post I know, but I thought it would be interesting to here back from you guys to see what you think. Even any technical tips to push the k5 to its limits

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Do your own thing. Do not waste time defending your equipment. Let the images speak for themselves.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mattox Quote
So in a fortnight I am off to Tuscany on a very interesting workshop in Val d'orcia Tuscany. The workshop is basically set up by an Italian Nikon ambassador and a Lightroom specialist. We are shooting 3 days of intensive sunrise, sunset and startrail landscapes. I have just found out that out of 11 group participants, 9 are all shooting with Nikon d800 and 810's and I am rocking up with my k5. Hahahah. I consider myself a very good landscape photographer with a particular eye for composition. I shoot with a fa 35 f2, sdm 16-50, and on rare occasions 55-300 when needed. I use Cokin nd grads and a manfrotto tripod and almost exclusively shoot in liveview for spot on af. So, I know I will probably get hammered by these Nikon guys with their big machine guns and I am hoping that my little k5 will shine against them when we go back for some post production, but any suggestions on how to let's say "defend myself". Funny post I know, but I thought it would be interesting to here back from you guys to see what you think. Even any technical tips to push the k5 to its limits


looking forward to seeing the outcome...your work will be just as solid as the others...sounds like you don't need any extra pointers except kick butt

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QuoteOriginally posted by pearsaab Quote
looking forward to seeing the outcome...your work will be just as solid as the others
agreed. & i look forward as well.
I compared my australia travel images recently to a buddy that was travelling there as well with a D650.
I was not impressed at all. Images were fine, not saying mine were better. But I can't say my pentax couldn't keep up.

More interesting, it will be nice to compare your photographic eye with that of others. Its often interesting to see how other people look at a landscape and also how they do their post processing.

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Why do you need the workshop if you are an accomplished landscape photographer?
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One plus with the K-5 is size, your back won't hurt as much after a full day =) The dynamic range of the K-5 is very impressive and close to that of the best FF, no problem!

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Why do you need the workshop if you are an accomplished landscape photographer?
All the participants at the workshop are at a high level. These type of workshops are good for people to mix together are exchange ideas, and meet new friends with a common interest. Plus you get to shoot in areas that would otherwise be unknown to you. Secrets spots, secret hours etc. the fact that there is a Nikon and Lightroom rep we will be informed to on new techniques, specs etc, that we may have otherwise missed. Very encouraging all round, even if your a pro
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For landscape, the lenses are usually stopped down and you use a tripod at low ISO. In these settings, I found the differences between APS-C and FF aren't that obvious. Sure, you can spot more details in the FF pics if you're pixel peeping, but these will not be obvious if you look at the whole picture.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mattox Quote
My k5 against 20 Nikon 800's
Good luck and it would great to see your pics after the workshop.

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Do your own thing. Do not waste time defending your equipment. Let the images speak for themselves.
Anecdote: In college I had two photo-buddies, one, like me, used a Pentax, but Chuck had a Leica M3. The local camera dealer was a Leica-snob: "You can always see the superior image quality from Leica optics." We brought in about twenty slides, some taken with John & my Pentaxes, some taken by the M3, sometimes of the same subject taken side-by-side. We invited the dealer to pick out the superior Leica images to see how many he could get correct. He refused to try.
I really had to laugh. I rarely use lol. But your anecdote deserves it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mattox Quote
All the participants at the workshop are at a high level. These type of workshops are good for people to mix together are exchange ideas, and meet new friends with a common interest. Plus you get to shoot in areas that would otherwise be unknown to you. Secrets spots, secret hours etc. the fact that there is a Nikon and Lightroom rep we will be informed to on new techniques, specs etc, that we may have otherwise missed. Very encouraging all round, even if your a pro
I see. And it also a good way to get out to new locations. I wouldn't be worried about your gear if there are photographers there. It is mostly the gear heads that are snobby.

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One plus with the K-5 is size, your back won't hurt as much after a full day =) The dynamic range of the K-5 is very impressive and close to that of the best FF, no problem!
Why are you showing the worst case scenario for that Nikon? If I was out shooting landscapes, I wouldn't take any of those lenses and that battery pack along. And what wimps we are today.

And in landscape, it's all about logistics (finding time/location), resolution (money - high end gear) and graphics art ( post processing). The rules for landscapes are pretty basic and easy to learn.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Mattox Quote
... out of 11 group participants, 9 are all shooting with Nikon d800 and 810's and I am rocking up with my k5 ... I am hoping that my little k5 will shine against them when we go back for some post production, but any suggestions on how to let's say "defend myself" ...
You plus 9 with Nikon = 10. What is participant 11 using?

Defend yourself with your photos. Maybe bring some of your best on a laptop or tablet. If someone brags about their camera respond with "you are correct, it's all about your camera, and not your photography skills"
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QuoteOriginally posted by tuco Quote
Why are you showing the worst case scenario for that Nikon? If I was out shooting landscapes, I wouldn't take any of those lenses and that battery pack along. And what wimps we are today.
I think he was just showing his Nikon FF equipment vs his Pentax equipment. Ignoring the lenses and just comparing the bodies, there's still a pretty dramatic difference. Of course, if he had the comparable Pentax APS-C zoom lenses, there would be a dramatic size difference there as well.

Cool picture, BTW.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Edgar_in_Indy Quote
I think he was just showing his Nikon FF equipment vs his Pentax equipment. Ignoring the lenses and just comparing the bodies, there's still a pretty dramatic difference. Of course, if he had the comparable Pentax APS-C zoom lenses, there would be a dramatic size difference there as well.

Cool picture, BTW.
Yes, cool picture and that Nikon is big gear indeed. But yet people wanting to better their landscapes flock to the 645Z. It is a big camera and some of those lenses for it can get really big too. But not one person here would make such a size/weight comparison with it and the inference that the smaller APS-C camera is the better camera because it doesn't hurt your back.
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