Interesting Comparison: Canon 1Ds Mkll vs Pentax K20D

jeffkrol · 07-07-2008, 06:40 AM

Imagine the "headlines" if this was posted about Pentax:
Thought I'd share this. My brother bought a 5D yesterday. He took it out of the box, popped a lens on it and was horrified to find one humongous black speck visible in everyshot he took, even with the lens wide open. I took the camera and shot a pic of a wall at f19 and this is what his sensor looked like:
(image deleted)
He was gonna take it straight back to the shop and get a replacement but I convinced him to just let me have a go with my Rocket Blower. It pretty much got rid of most of it:
(image deleted)
Anyway, should we have been so surprised to see the sensor from a brand new camera so dirty straight out of the box, or is this now typical of Canon's quality control?
Great Canon QC: Canon EOS-1D / 1Ds / 5D Forum: Digital Photography Review
BUT what do we get......
The contamination can take place at the shops or it is just a returned unit. So, I bet there is nothing to do with Canon's QC.
Mine was very clean when it was new, as I have checked for it.
Re: I have reservation on the accuse..: Canon EOS-1D / 1Ds / 5D Forum: Digital Photography Review
No BLOG rant, but just a defense of Canon and the problem was caused "somewhere else most likely".
Funny, and as I said, if this was Pentax we would have a 2 page rant on the quality control problems at Pentax (I'm sure there's one somewhere....)

EDIT:
Oh and RH we don't want you to be our HERO and SAVIOR thank you. Since you have been at this crusade for 5-ish years and to you, nothings changed, it is OBVIOUS Pentax isn't listening to you.
So your fired. Your performance review leads us to believe that you are totally ineffective, So sorry, best of luck ........ we will find another hero.

Last edited by jeffkrol; 07-07-2008 at 07:11 AM.

RiceHigh · 07-07-2008, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by RaduA

RH,

Unlike you I am a fan of talking to the point. Here's my point: you have a 700 USD (when was new) K100D and a 3000 USD Canon 5D. Regardless of sensor size if you seriously wanna compare this 2 cameras it's your prerogative to do so.

Radu

So, you have already answered you own questions by heart. IF there was a $3000 or even more expensive Pentax DSLR which really performs up to the higher standard of a 5D or whatsoever, I don't mind I could have a TRY!

Gooshin · 07-07-2008, 08:11 AM

are you poor or something?

go and buy one! if you dont like it, sell it.

done deal.

RiceHigh · 07-07-2008, 08:20 AM

Originally posted by RaduA

If you were fair as you said and you 5D is perfect for you as you said then in fairness you could have a Canon blog to discuss the real or made up problems of the Canon system like you do with Pentax real or made up problems. Where is your Canon blog to discuss the abismal quality of the former Canon kit lens if we're at lens problems? If you done that you could brag today that Canon improved their kit lens thanks to you criticism!

Radu

Don't ask me to start a Canon blog here. First, it is irrelevant and off-topic (but so did as this thread as in the very beginning). Second, I don't need you to teach or force me to write what blogs whatever I choose and like to write. But just in case you still have to see one, I recommend Jeffkrol to be the best right person than I, as for what I can see in his numerous uncountable replies to me at the PentaxForums each time I posted for how bad the Canons are. But I only got one message from his millions of words: Since I can find Canon has done evils, why couldn't Pentax?

I think this is my last reply post to both you and Jeffkrol. I think this kind of meaningless discussions have been more than enough, despite I was so naive last time to reply and hope that to make some clarification for you.

jeffkrol · 07-07-2008, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

Don't ask me to start a Canon blog here. First, it is irrelevant and off-topic (but so did as this thread as in the very beginning). Second, I don't need you to teach or force me to write what blogs whatever I choose and like to write. But just in case you still have to see one, I recommend Jeffkrol to be the best right person than I, as for what I can see in his numerous uncountable replies to me at the PentaxForums each time I posted for how bad the Canons are. But I only got one message from his millions of words: Since I can find Canon has done evils, why couldn't Pentax?

I think this is my last reply post to both you and Jeffkrol. I think this kind of meaningless discussions have been more than enough, despite I was so naive last time to reply and hope that to make some clarification for you.

Your starting to babble oh great and wise engineer.. What was it you are an engineer of?? Optical engineer I believe. Care to answer.

RaduA · 07-07-2008, 10:06 AM

RH,

I own you my deepest apologies. I almost thought you're a desinformation agent. You are not because I supposse one may need some qualities to do such a job. Now I let you alone with your complexes and I can only promise you that whenever you'll ever again slander Pentax with false data and lies I'll try to correct you. Sort of "5 minutes of correcting RH a day / keeps the lies from this forum away"

Radu

P.S. Trying to portrait me and Jeff as anti Canon fanatics are one of your lamest moves. Jeff has pointed out to some real Canon troubles (as ANY company has) in respect to your babling of "Canon has no faults, Pentax has so many".

Damn Brit · 07-07-2008, 10:20 AM

Damn it Rice High, Post some photos.

benjikan · 07-07-2008, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by Damn Brit

Damn it Rice High, Post some photos.

He did.... A fireworks display. Was quite nice actually. It was a first!

Ben

jeffkrol · 07-07-2008, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

He did.... A fireworks display. Was quite nice actually. It was a first!

Ben

Are you sure it's his?....
Photo0099.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com
Photo0057.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com
Photo0063.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com
good_photos Photo Gallery by Michael Poon at pbase.com

benjikan · 07-07-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by jeffkrol

Are you sure it's his?....
Photo0099.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com
Photo0057.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com
Photo0063.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com
good_photos Photo Gallery by Michael Poon at pbase.com

Not at all. But can anyone here be sure of who does what...

Starting to sound like a thriller....What a great movie treatment.

George W. Bush

Maxington · 07-07-2008, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by RiceHigh

How about if my Canon 5D and EOS system does NOT exhibit any of the problems as reported by actual Pentax users for the Pentax DSLRs, for what all are recorded in my Blog??

Canon 1D Mark III autofocus problem. Top end pro body that can't focus if you use it in the sun. Whoops.

Not that it matters, Canon is getting stomped into the ground by Nikon with their latest releases. Finally, Canon and their marketing/accountant driven management system that works by crippling lower models, weak, pathetic upgrades and high prices is getting a kick in the pants.

It's going to be interesting to watch Canon scramble to keep market share in the near future. They can't keep operating the way they have been.

Damn Brit · 07-08-2008, 03:17 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

Starting to sound like a thriller....What a great movie treatment.

George W. Bush

Filmed in B&W, Miles Davis soundtrack.

benjikan · 07-08-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Damn Brit

Filmed in B&W, Miles Davis soundtrack.

Awesome...I can already see the reviews.."................................". To be filled in by those with creative writing skills.

Ben

quenched · 01-31-2009, 09:52 PM

A frenchman with an ego?

Or indeed a Kiwi without love for the French....

Who would have thought?

;D

benjikan · 02-01-2009, 02:29 PM

Originally posted by quenched

A frenchman with an ego?

Or indeed a Kiwi without love for the French....

Who would have thought?

;D

Sorry..I'm not French. I am an Anglo Canadian with an ego...Wait a second...does that exist?

07-07-2008, 06:40 AM	#76
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Canon can do no wrong don't you know Imagine the "headlines" if this was posted about Pentax: Thought I'd share this. My brother bought a 5D yesterday. He took it out of the box, popped a lens on it and was horrified to find one humongous black speck visible in everyshot he took, even with the lens wide open. I took the camera and shot a pic of a wall at f19 and this is what his sensor looked like: (image deleted) He was gonna take it straight back to the shop and get a replacement but I convinced him to just let me have a go with my Rocket Blower. It pretty much got rid of most of it: (image deleted) Anyway, should we have been so surprised to see the sensor from a brand new camera so dirty straight out of the box, or is this now typical of Canon's quality control? Great Canon QC: Canon EOS-1D / 1Ds / 5D Forum: Digital Photography Review BUT what do we get...... The contamination can take place at the shops or it is just a returned unit. So, I bet there is nothing to do with Canon's QC. Mine was very clean when it was new, as I have checked for it. Re: I have reservation on the accuse..: Canon EOS-1D / 1Ds / 5D Forum: Digital Photography Review No BLOG rant, but just a defense of Canon and the problem was caused "somewhere else most likely". Funny, and as I said, if this was Pentax we would have a 2 page rant on the quality control problems at Pentax (I'm sure there's one somewhere....) EDIT: Oh and RH we don't want you to be our HERO and SAVIOR thank you. Since you have been at this crusade for 5-ish years and to you, nothings changed, it is OBVIOUS Pentax isn't listening to you. So your fired. Your performance review leads us to believe that you are totally ineffective, So sorry, best of luck ........ we will find another hero. Last edited by jeffkrol; 07-07-2008 at 07:11 AM.

07-07-2008, 08:20 AM	#79
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	-The End- Originally posted by RaduA If you were fair as you said and you 5D is perfect for you as you said then in fairness you could have a Canon blog to discuss the real or made up problems of the Canon system like you do with Pentax real or made up problems. Where is your Canon blog to discuss the abismal quality of the former Canon kit lens if we're at lens problems? If you done that you could brag today that Canon improved their kit lens thanks to you criticism! Radu Don't ask me to start a Canon blog here. First, it is irrelevant and off-topic (but so did as this thread as in the very beginning). Second, I don't need you to teach or force me to write what blogs whatever I choose and like to write. But just in case you still have to see one, I recommend Jeffkrol to be the best right person than I, as for what I can see in his numerous uncountable replies to me at the PentaxForums each time I posted for how bad the Canons are. But I only got one message from his millions of words: Since I can find Canon has done evils, why couldn't Pentax? I think this is my last reply post to both you and Jeffkrol. I think this kind of meaningless discussions have been more than enough, despite I was so naive last time to reply and hope that to make some clarification for you.

07-07-2008, 01:07 PM	#84
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by benjikan He did.... A fireworks display. Was quite nice actually. It was a first! Ben Are you sure it's his?.... Photo0099.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com Photo0057.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com Photo0063.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com good_photos Photo Gallery by Michael Poon at pbase.com Last edited by jeffkrol; 07-07-2008 at 01:44 PM.

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07-07-2008, 08:10 AM	#77
RiceHigh Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 1,934	Originally posted by RaduA RH, Unlike you I am a fan of talking to the point. Here's my point: you have a 700 USD (when was new) K100D and a 3000 USD Canon 5D. Regardless of sensor size if you seriously wanna compare this 2 cameras it's your prerogative to do so. Radu So, you have already answered you own questions by heart. IF there was a $3000 or even more expensive Pentax DSLR which really performs up to the higher standard of a 5D or whatsoever, I don't mind I could have a TRY!

07-07-2008, 08:11 AM	#78
Gooshin Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Toronto, the one in Canada. Posts: 5,610	are you poor or something? go and buy one! if you dont like it, sell it. done deal.

07-07-2008, 09:36 AM	#80
jeffkrol Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Wisconsin USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,434	Originally posted by RiceHigh Don't ask me to start a Canon blog here. First, it is irrelevant and off-topic (but so did as this thread as in the very beginning). Second, I don't need you to teach or force me to write what blogs whatever I choose and like to write. But just in case you still have to see one, I recommend Jeffkrol to be the best right person than I, as for what I can see in his numerous uncountable replies to me at the PentaxForums each time I posted for how bad the Canons are. But I only got one message from his millions of words: Since I can find Canon has done evils, why couldn't Pentax? I think this is my last reply post to both you and Jeffkrol. I think this kind of meaningless discussions have been more than enough, despite I was so naive last time to reply and hope that to make some clarification for you. Your starting to babble oh great and wise engineer.. What was it you are an engineer of?? Optical engineer I believe. Care to answer.

07-07-2008, 10:06 AM	#81
RaduA Guest	RH, I own you my deepest apologies. I almost thought you're a desinformation agent. You are not because I supposse one may need some qualities to do such a job. Now I let you alone with your complexes and I can only promise you that whenever you'll ever again slander Pentax with false data and lies I'll try to correct you. Sort of "5 minutes of correcting RH a day / keeps the lies from this forum away" Radu P.S. Trying to portrait me and Jeff as anti Canon fanatics are one of your lamest moves. Jeff has pointed out to some real Canon troubles (as ANY company has) in respect to your babling of "Canon has no faults, Pentax has so many".

07-07-2008, 10:20 AM	#82
Damn Brit Guest	Damn it Rice High, Post some photos.

07-07-2008, 10:28 AM	#83
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Damn Brit Damn it Rice High, Post some photos. He did.... A fireworks display. Was quite nice actually. It was a first! Ben

07-07-2008, 03:05 PM	#85
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by jeffkrol Are you sure it's his?.... Photo0099.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com Photo0057.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com Photo0063.jpg photo - Michael Poon photos at pbase.com good_photos Photo Gallery by Michael Poon at pbase.com Not at all. But can anyone here be sure of who does what... Starting to sound like a thriller....What a great movie treatment. George W. Bush

07-07-2008, 06:04 PM	#86
Maxington Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 255	Originally posted by RiceHigh How about if my Canon 5D and EOS system does NOT exhibit any of the problems as reported by actual Pentax users for the Pentax DSLRs, for what all are recorded in my Blog?? Canon 1D Mark III autofocus problem. Top end pro body that can't focus if you use it in the sun. Whoops. Not that it matters, Canon is getting stomped into the ground by Nikon with their latest releases. Finally, Canon and their marketing/accountant driven management system that works by crippling lower models, weak, pathetic upgrades and high prices is getting a kick in the pants. It's going to be interesting to watch Canon scramble to keep market share in the near future. They can't keep operating the way they have been.

07-08-2008, 03:17 PM	#87
Damn Brit Guest	Originally posted by benjikan Starting to sound like a thriller....What a great movie treatment. George W. Bush Filmed in B&W, Miles Davis soundtrack.

07-08-2008, 04:04 PM	#88
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by Damn Brit Filmed in B&W, Miles Davis soundtrack. Awesome...I can already see the reviews.."................................". To be filled in by those with creative writing skills. Ben

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01-31-2009, 09:52 PM	#89
quenched Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: byronbay Photos: Gallery Posts: 60	A frenchman with an ego? Or indeed a Kiwi without love for the French.... Who would have thought? ;D

02-01-2009, 02:29 PM	#90
benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308 Original Poster	Originally posted by quenched A frenchman with an ego? Or indeed a Kiwi without love for the French.... Who would have thought? ;D Sorry..I'm not French. I am an Anglo Canadian with an ego...Wait a second...does that exist?