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**yucatanPentax** · 01-05-2016, 01:12 PM

I do have a question for those more knowledgeable, considering the purchase decision between K-3 and K-3II:

I was under the impression that Pixelshift had to be used with absolutely stationary objects.
In a landscape, if clouds, leaves, branches, grass, waves, etc move due to the wind, will there be an issue using Pixelshift? I enjoy more architectural photography, but even then, there are hanging signs, flags, people, etc, which are not stationary.

So, my question is, In the field, in the open, how much value is Pixelshift and/or can it actually be used outdoors to any great effect? Thanks in advance!

pentaphil · 01-05-2016, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by yucatanPentax

I do have a question for those more knowledgeable, considering the purchase decision between K-3 and K-3II:

I was under the impression that Pixelshift had to be used with absolutely stationary objects.
In a landscape, if clouds, leaves, branches, grass, waves, etc move due to the wind, will there be an issue using Pixelshift? I enjoy more architectural photography, but even then, there are hanging signs, flags, people, etc, which are not stationary.

So, my question is, In the field, in the open, how much value is Pixelshift and/or can it actually be used outdoors to any great effect? Thanks in advance!

That's something I aksed myself before

Hope someone can help us

TheOneAndOnlyJH · 01-05-2016, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by yucatanPentax

I do have a question for those more knowledgeable, considering the purchase decision between K-3 and K-3II:

I was under the impression that Pixelshift had to be used with absolutely stationary objects.
In a landscape, if clouds, leaves, branches, grass, waves, etc move due to the wind, will there be an issue using Pixelshift? I enjoy more architectural photography, but even then, there are hanging signs, flags, people, etc, which are not stationary.

So, my question is, In the field, in the open, how much value is Pixelshift and/or can it actually be used outdoors to any great effect? Thanks in advance!

I don't have any experience with it, but I would assume that wide angle lenses outdoors would still benefit from pixel shift. Moving clouds and blowing leaves would probably cause trouble, but I would assume at wide angles or low wind, tiny movements of leaves might be small enough enough to not make a difference in the whole image and you would still see improvement in the static objects.

For architecture, moving flags would cause issues but buildings pretty much stay in one place. (Hopefully!

) In bright lighting conditions the four exposures could still be rather quick, so it might still have a benefit if the clouds aren't moving too fast.

Again, I don't have a K-3 II, so if someone does it would help if they could answer this in more detail.

Penumbra · 01-05-2016, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by pentaphil

That's something I aksed myself before

Hope someone can help us

People already have answered this. As it is now, Pixel shift is for studio conditions mostly. I say mostly because one could use it outside as well but in very limited situations where you would have zero movement of the image shot. So landscapes is out of the question (hot air, wind, snow, rain cloud moving) will probably produce zipper artefacts. You could maybe process them but.. really, i for one am not seeing it as a feature i would make use of under these circumstances. A better quality lens will be more practical or a lens you know well how to use would weigh more towards the clarity of your photo.

I recently debated this choice myself (this december) and went with the K-3 for the following considerations: superb kit for 650$ (K-3 body+50mm 1.8+af-200FG flash) vs 729$ K-3II Body (at that time)
I thought that if in the future i will want the GPS feature (it's something i would like but, as fellow pentaxian pathdoc wisely said, buy for what you are using and really need now) i could go with the separate GPS for the hotshoe Pentax sells.

But for studio product photography, Pixelshift is indeed a great thing to have, you probably have seen the examples on the internet.

One more thing/reminder, in case you will buy this fine apparatus from the US use the link on pentaxforums towards the particular supported store:
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/94-pentax-price-watch/101329-do-you-buy-a...taxforums.html

Good luck!

bertwert · 01-05-2016, 03:59 PM - **1 Like**

SInce you have a good flash and may use GPS in future.
K-3ii is cheaper than K-3 + O-GPS1.

Get K-3ii.

**filoxophy** · 01-05-2016, 04:11 PM

As someone mentioned above, the SR was said to be improved 1/2 or 1 stop. Nothing groundbreaking, but as others have said, if you would use the GPS and already have a flash for when you want it the II seems like a no brainer to me!

pentaphil · 01-06-2016, 01:22 AM

Thanks so far. unfortunately I live in Germany. So I will buy the camera here

But when I'm in NYC and need some stuff I will use one of your links and pick the stuff up at the NYC BH Mega store. I love this place!

Surovi · 01-07-2016, 11:52 AM

Is there any progress with autofocus?
I would sacrifice a flash for improved autofocus.

**clackers** · 01-07-2016, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by Surovi

Is there any progress with autofocus?
I would sacrifice a flash for improved autofocus.

Same module.

Surovi · 01-07-2016, 03:06 PM

This is only a promotional paperwork?
K-3 II | Ricoh Imaging

**clackers** · 01-07-2016, 03:34 PM

Well, it's still Safox11:

http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/k-3/feature/02.html

Happy to be proven wrong, though.

**jatrax** · 01-07-2016, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by Surovi

This is only a promotional paperwork? K-3 II | Ricoh Imaging

I have & use both and I can see no practical difference. Not to say there isn't any, just that I do not see it in the real world. But then I am 100% satisfied with the k-3 AF, it simply does not miss focus. Always puzzled by all the reports of problems. If you are trying to use tracking AF then maybe there is a difference, that's that not a mode I use. For regular shots, still objects, landscapes, portraits and so on the k-3 is amazing and I do not see a difference in the k-3II it's amazing also.

Surovi · 01-08-2016, 01:39 AM

Thanks!
Good for children in the yard or on the playground?
With 50-135/2,8 or Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 C?

---------- Post added 01-08-16 at 01:39 AM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

Well, it's still Safox11:

Feature 2?K-3 | RICOH IMAGING

Happy to be proven wrong, though.

Thanks!

SuperSyx · 01-13-2016, 08:34 PM

Thanks for the answers guys! I am in the market of a new Pentax DSLR myself to replace my loved K-30 plagued with the stuck aperture problem. I have a tripod, a Yongnuo YN 560 iii with a set of RF-603 and I wanted a O-GPS1 module. So I guess the choice goes for a K-3 ii. Anybody tried the RF-603 on the K-3 ii since the YN-560 III will not fit? Is there a tiny cheap portable flash alternative for the onboard flash?

Theov39 · 01-14-2016, 09:34 AM

Originally posted by SuperSyx

Thanks for the answers guys! I am in the market of a new Pentax DSLR myself to replace my loved K-30 plagued with the stuck aperture problem. I have a tripod, a Yongnuo YN 560 iii with a set of RF-603 and I wanted a O-GPS1 module. So I guess the choice goes for a K-3 ii. Anybody tried the RF-603 on the K-3 ii since the YN-560 III will not fit? Is there a tiny cheap portable flash alternative for the onboard flash?

The tiny Nikon SB-30 is a great choice. I posted about this in another thread.

https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/298436-what-do-y...ml#post3477179

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01-05-2016, 01:12 PM	#16
yucatanPentax Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Dallas / Yucatan Posts: 1,842	I do have a question for those more knowledgeable, considering the purchase decision between K-3 and K-3II: I was under the impression that Pixelshift had to be used with absolutely stationary objects. In a landscape, if clouds, leaves, branches, grass, waves, etc move due to the wind, will there be an issue using Pixelshift? I enjoy more architectural photography, but even then, there are hanging signs, flags, people, etc, which are not stationary. So, my question is, In the field, in the open, how much value is Pixelshift and/or can it actually be used outdoors to any great effect? Thanks in advance!

01-05-2016, 01:14 PM	#17
pentaphil Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Dortmund Posts: 58 Original Poster	Originally posted by yucatanPentax I do have a question for those more knowledgeable, considering the purchase decision between K-3 and K-3II: I was under the impression that Pixelshift had to be used with absolutely stationary objects. In a landscape, if clouds, leaves, branches, grass, waves, etc move due to the wind, will there be an issue using Pixelshift? I enjoy more architectural photography, but even then, there are hanging signs, flags, people, etc, which are not stationary. So, my question is, In the field, in the open, how much value is Pixelshift and/or can it actually be used outdoors to any great effect? Thanks in advance! That's something I aksed myself before Hope someone can help us

01-05-2016, 02:35 PM	#18
TheOneAndOnlyJH Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 351	Originally posted by yucatanPentax I do have a question for those more knowledgeable, considering the purchase decision between K-3 and K-3II: I was under the impression that Pixelshift had to be used with absolutely stationary objects. In a landscape, if clouds, leaves, branches, grass, waves, etc move due to the wind, will there be an issue using Pixelshift? I enjoy more architectural photography, but even then, there are hanging signs, flags, people, etc, which are not stationary. So, my question is, In the field, in the open, how much value is Pixelshift and/or can it actually be used outdoors to any great effect? Thanks in advance! I don't have any experience with it, but I would assume that wide angle lenses outdoors would still benefit from pixel shift. Moving clouds and blowing leaves would probably cause trouble, but I would assume at wide angles or low wind, tiny movements of leaves might be small enough enough to not make a difference in the whole image and you would still see improvement in the static objects. For architecture, moving flags would cause issues but buildings pretty much stay in one place. (Hopefully! ) In bright lighting conditions the four exposures could still be rather quick, so it might still have a benefit if the clouds aren't moving too fast. Again, I don't have a K-3 II, so if someone does it would help if they could answer this in more detail.

01-05-2016, 03:54 PM	#19
Penumbra Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Suceava, Romania Photos: Albums Posts: 139	Originally posted by pentaphil That's something I aksed myself before Hope someone can help us People already have answered this. As it is now, Pixel shift is for studio conditions mostly. I say mostly because one could use it outside as well but in very limited situations where you would have zero movement of the image shot. So landscapes is out of the question (hot air, wind, snow, rain cloud moving) will probably produce zipper artefacts. You could maybe process them but.. really, i for one am not seeing it as a feature i would make use of under these circumstances. A better quality lens will be more practical or a lens you know well how to use would weigh more towards the clarity of your photo. I recently debated this choice myself (this december) and went with the K-3 for the following considerations: superb kit for 650$ (K-3 body+50mm 1.8+af-200FG flash) vs 729$ K-3II Body (at that time) I thought that if in the future i will want the GPS feature (it's something i would like but, as fellow pentaxian pathdoc wisely said, buy for what you are using and really need now) i could go with the separate GPS for the hotshoe Pentax sells. But for studio product photography, Pixelshift is indeed a great thing to have, you probably have seen the examples on the internet. One more thing/reminder, in case you will buy this fine apparatus from the US use the link on pentaxforums towards the particular supported store: https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/94-pentax-price-watch/101329-do-you-buy-a...taxforums.html Good luck!

01-05-2016, 03:59 PM - 1 Like	#20
bertwert Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Golden, BC Posts: 15,172	SInce you have a good flash and may use GPS in future. K-3ii is cheaper than K-3 + O-GPS1. Get K-3ii.

01-05-2016, 04:11 PM	#21
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,133	As someone mentioned above, the SR was said to be improved 1/2 or 1 stop. Nothing groundbreaking, but as others have said, if you would use the GPS and already have a flash for when you want it the II seems like a no brainer to me!

01-06-2016, 01:22 AM	#22
pentaphil Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Dortmund Posts: 58 Original Poster	Thanks so far. unfortunately I live in Germany. So I will buy the camera here But when I'm in NYC and need some stuff I will use one of your links and pick the stuff up at the NYC BH Mega store. I love this place!

01-07-2016, 11:52 AM	#23
Surovi Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 34	Is there any progress with autofocus? I would sacrifice a flash for improved autofocus.

01-07-2016, 02:31 PM	#24
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Surovi Is there any progress with autofocus? I would sacrifice a flash for improved autofocus. Same module.

01-07-2016, 03:06 PM	#25
Surovi Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 34	This is only a promotional paperwork? K-3 II \| Ricoh Imaging

01-07-2016, 03:34 PM	#26
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Well, it's still Safox11: http://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/products/k-3/feature/02.html Happy to be proven wrong, though.

01-07-2016, 03:48 PM	#27
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,992	Originally posted by Surovi This is only a promotional paperwork? K-3 II \| Ricoh Imaging I have & use both and I can see no practical difference. Not to say there isn't any, just that I do not see it in the real world. But then I am 100% satisfied with the k-3 AF, it simply does not miss focus. Always puzzled by all the reports of problems. If you are trying to use tracking AF then maybe there is a difference, that's that not a mode I use. For regular shots, still objects, landscapes, portraits and so on the k-3 is amazing and I do not see a difference in the k-3II it's amazing also.

01-08-2016, 01:39 AM	#28
Surovi Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 34	Thanks! Good for children in the yard or on the playground? With 50-135/2,8 or Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 C? ---------- Post added 01-08-16 at 01:39 AM ---------- Originally posted by clackers Well, it's still Safox11: Feature 2?K-3 \| RICOH IMAGING Happy to be proven wrong, though. Thanks!

01-13-2016, 08:34 PM	#29
SuperSyx Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Val-d'Or Posts: 112	Thanks for the answers guys! I am in the market of a new Pentax DSLR myself to replace my loved K-30 plagued with the stuck aperture problem. I have a tripod, a Yongnuo YN 560 iii with a set of RF-603 and I wanted a O-GPS1 module. So I guess the choice goes for a K-3 ii. Anybody tried the RF-603 on the K-3 ii since the YN-560 III will not fit? Is there a tiny cheap portable flash alternative for the onboard flash?

01-14-2016, 09:34 AM	#30
Theov39 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Sydney Posts: 594	Originally posted by SuperSyx Thanks for the answers guys! I am in the market of a new Pentax DSLR myself to replace my loved K-30 plagued with the stuck aperture problem. I have a tripod, a Yongnuo YN 560 iii with a set of RF-603 and I wanted a O-GPS1 module. So I guess the choice goes for a K-3 ii. Anybody tried the RF-603 on the K-3 ii since the YN-560 III will not fit? Is there a tiny cheap portable flash alternative for the onboard flash? The tiny Nikon SB-30 is a great choice. I posted about this in another thread. https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/6-pentax-dslr-discussion/298436-what-do-y...ml#post3477179

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