Pentaxian Wording

Jewelltrail · 07-01-2008, 10:19 PM

This will seem trivial to many, but I find it noteworthy---I imagine some English teachers would too. For the K20d, the Pentax people list 4 levels of jpg quality—this is no surprise. What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” I find this confusing, so I only look at the number of stars alongside the jpg selections when I choose. I imagine this has to do with Pentax adding a new file quality for the K20d. This is my first Pentax DSLR—does somebody understand how this developed into the firmware? How is the K10d firmware laid out? Thanks.

**** PREMIUM (clearest images, largest file sizes)
*** BEST
** BETTER
* GOOD (grainier images, smallest file size)

Regards,

Ernest

Kguru · 07-01-2008, 10:26 PM

Previous models provided only 3 choices Good, Better, Best.
With the new addition being better than the old Best what should they do, name the new one as Best and change the old Best to something less than Best? Too complicated. Just accept Premium as higher than Best.

Jewelltrail · 07-01-2008, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Previous models provided only 3 choices Good, Better, Best.
With the new addition being better than the old Best what should they do, name the new one as Best and change the old Best to something less than Best? Too complicated. Just accept Premium as higher than Best.

Kguru Yes, I expect Pentax, like everyone else, to stay within the rules and confines of the language. Language is a tool which allows simplicity of expression, but the simplicity is only upheld for as long as everyone adheres to the same plan. This is why we have dictionaries. With your reasoning, we could have this with the K30d.

*****Premium Best
**** Premium
*** Best
** Better
* Good

Regards,

Ernest

benjikan · 07-01-2008, 11:28 PM

* Good
**Gooder
***Goodest
****Gooderest
*****Gooderestitude
******Gooderestitudemaximus

OniFactor · 07-01-2008, 11:35 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

* Good
**Gooder
***Goodest
****Gooderest
*****Gooderestitude
******Gooderestitudemaximus

can't forget this one..

********almostasgoodestasbenjikan

ckanthon · 07-02-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Jewelltrail

This will seem trivial to many, but I find it noteworthy---I imagine some English teachers would too. For the K20d, the Pentax people list 4 levels of jpg quality—this is no surprise. What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” I find this confusing, so I only look at the number of stars alongside the jpg selections when I choose. I imagine this has to do with Pentax adding a new file quality for the K20d. This is my first Pentax DSLR—does somebody understand how this developed into the firmware? How is the K10d firmware laid out? Thanks.

**** PREMIUM (clearest images, largest file sizes)
*** BEST
** BETTER
* GOOD (grainier images, smallest file size)

Regards,

Ernest

**** BEST of the very BEST
*** BEST
** BETTER
* GOOD
- Better than none

ivanp · 07-02-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by Jewelltrail

What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” I find this confusing,

Is not is the same "nonsense" as saying "best of best" ?

Jewelltrail · 07-02-2008, 12:12 PM

Whereas much of our discussions are highly opinionated because we deal with subjective material, this discussion is different---Pentax made a mistake with the language.

When the best becomes outclassed by someone or something new, it ceases to be the best. Making it to the level of best, does not assure permanence.

When the record of the best (fastest) 100 meter freestyle is bettered, the new time becomes the best and the old time moves into second place. We do not call the old time best and the new, better time, premium. In fact, the word best denotes a higher level than premium--you can not be better than the best.

Again, this may seem trivial, but a manufacturer’s failure to admit and correct a mistake can come back to bite them in the ***---just like it can do us as individuals. Enough said!

Regards,

Ernest

offertonhatter · 07-02-2008, 12:18 PM

It should really be this:-

* - Good
** - Better
*** - Best
**** - Superior to anything that CaNikonsony can muster in RAW

a a i b · 07-02-2008, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

* Good
**Gooder
***Goodest
****Gooderest
*****Gooderestitude
******Gooderestitudemaximus

LOL :thumbsup:

ivanp · 07-02-2008, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Jewelltrail

What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.”

Human languages are full of ambiguities and hidden presumptions.
E.g. here you expect that "Best" means "Best of all offered quality settings".
But it could also mean "Best of three standard levels".

If Pentax used e.g.
Best-Better-Good-Normal
than it could perhaps be more correct from language POV, but it would be bad from consistency POV, i.e. why the same quality setting is called Good on one camera, and Better on other?

**Lowell Goudge** · 07-02-2008, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by benjikan

* Good
**Gooder
***Goodest
****Gooderest
*****Gooderestitude
******Gooderestitudemaximus

ben can you add these to the technical dictionary?

ps. somewhere there is a post about people with too much time on their hands, this one, along with the issue of changing the shutter release to black from silver belong there

Tom S. · 07-02-2008, 06:38 PM

Wait until they have the "Oh My God!" setting.

Damn Brit · 07-02-2008, 06:46 PM

How about good, better, best, premium, whatever.

Gary

SpecialK · 07-02-2008, 08:51 PM

Same problem with soft-drink sizes. Medium and large - but no small.

Never, ever expect spelling and grammar accuracy in manuals, or anywhere else for that matter.

Many (English native-speaking) people can not even spell "lens", "aperture", "too", or correctly use an apostrophe in the words "it's" and "you're".

Just gotta move on :-)

07-01-2008, 10:19 PM	#1
Jewelltrail Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rhode Island Photos: Albums Posts: 4,180	Pentaxian Wording This will seem trivial to many, but I find it noteworthy---I imagine some English teachers would too. For the K20d, the Pentax people list 4 levels of jpg quality—this is no surprise. What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” I find this confusing, so I only look at the number of stars alongside the jpg selections when I choose. I imagine this has to do with Pentax adding a new file quality for the K20d. This is my first Pentax DSLR—does somebody understand how this developed into the firmware? How is the K10d firmware laid out? Thanks. ** PREMIUM (clearest images, largest file sizes) * BEST ** BETTER * GOOD (grainier images, smallest file size) Regards, Ernest

07-02-2008, 02:15 AM	#6
ckanthon Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 87	Originally posted by Jewelltrail This will seem trivial to many, but I find it noteworthy---I imagine some English teachers would too. For the K20d, the Pentax people list 4 levels of jpg quality—this is no surprise. What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” I find this confusing, so I only look at the number of stars alongside the jpg selections when I choose. I imagine this has to do with Pentax adding a new file quality for the K20d. This is my first Pentax DSLR—does somebody understand how this developed into the firmware? How is the K10d firmware laid out? Thanks. ** PREMIUM (clearest images, largest file sizes) * BEST ** BETTER * GOOD (grainier images, smallest file size) Regards, Ernest ** BEST of the very BEST * BEST ** BETTER * GOOD - Better than none Last edited by ckanthon; 07-02-2008 at 02:31 AM.

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Kguru Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Perth - WestAust Posts: 602	Previous models provided only 3 choices Good, Better, Best. With the new addition being better than the old Best what should they do, name the new one as Best and change the old Best to something less than Best? Too complicated. Just accept Premium as higher than Best.

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Jewelltrail Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rhode Island Photos: Albums Posts: 4,180 Original Poster	Quote: Previous models provided only 3 choices Good, Better, Best. With the new addition being better than the old Best what should they do, name the new one as Best and change the old Best to something less than Best? Too complicated. Just accept Premium as higher than Best. Kguru Yes, I expect Pentax, like everyone else, to stay within the rules and confines of the language. Language is a tool which allows simplicity of expression, but the simplicity is only upheld for as long as everyone adheres to the same plan. This is why we have dictionaries. With your reasoning, we could have this with the K30d. ***Premium Best Premium * Best ** Better * Good Regards, Ernest

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benjikan Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Paris, France Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,308	* Good Gooder Goodest *Gooderest *Gooderestitude ****Gooderestitudemaximus

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OniFactor Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Binghamton, NY, USA Posts: 643	Originally posted by benjikan * Good Gooder Goodest *Gooderest *Gooderestitude **Gooderestitudemaximus can't forget this one.. ******almostasgoodestasbenjikan

07-02-2008, 02:15 AM	#7
ivanp Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Prague Posts: 42	Originally posted by Jewelltrail What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” I find this confusing, Is not is the same "nonsense" as saying "best of best" ?

07-02-2008, 12:12 PM	#8
Jewelltrail Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Rhode Island Photos: Albums Posts: 4,180 Original Poster	Whereas much of our discussions are highly opinionated because we deal with subjective material, this discussion is different---Pentax made a mistake with the language. When the best becomes outclassed by someone or something new, it ceases to be the best. Making it to the level of best, does not assure permanence. When the record of the best (fastest) 100 meter freestyle is bettered, the new time becomes the best and the old time moves into second place. We do not call the old time best and the new, better time, premium. In fact, the word best denotes a higher level than premium--you can not be better than the best. Again, this may seem trivial, but a manufacturer’s failure to admit and correct a mistake can come back to bite them in the ***---just like it can do us as individuals. Enough said! Regards, Ernest

07-02-2008, 12:18 PM	#9
offertonhatter Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: North West UK Posts: 390	It should really be this:- * - Good - Better * - Best **** - Superior to anything that CaNikonsony can muster in RAW

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a a i b Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Brooklyn Photos: Gallery Posts: 315	Originally posted by benjikan * Good Gooder Goodest *Gooderest *Gooderestitude ****Gooderestitudemaximus LOL :thumbsup:

07-02-2008, 02:41 PM	#11
ivanp Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Prague Posts: 42	Originally posted by Jewelltrail What is odd is they list the 2nd highest quality as “Best” and the 1st highest quality as “Premium.” Human languages are full of ambiguities and hidden presumptions. E.g. here you expect that "Best" means "Best of all offered quality settings". But it could also mean "Best of three standard levels". If Pentax used e.g. Best-Better-Good-Normal than it could perhaps be more correct from language POV, but it would be bad from consistency POV, i.e. why the same quality setting is called Good on one camera, and Better on other?

07-02-2008, 03:24 PM	#12
Lowell Goudge Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,886	Originally posted by benjikan * Good Gooder Goodest *Gooderest *Gooderestitude ****Gooderestitudemaximus ben can you add these to the technical dictionary? ps. somewhere there is a post about people with too much time on their hands, this one, along with the issue of changing the shutter release to black from silver belong there

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07-02-2008, 06:38 PM	#13
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Wait until they have the "Oh My God!" setting.

07-02-2008, 06:46 PM	#14
Damn Brit Guest	How about good, better, best, premium, whatever. Gary

07-02-2008, 08:51 PM	#15
SpecialK Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: So California Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,480	Same problem with soft-drink sizes. Medium and large - but no small. Never, ever expect spelling and grammar accuracy in manuals, or anywhere else for that matter. Many (English native-speaking) people can not even spell "lens", "aperture", "too", or correctly use an apostrophe in the words "it's" and "you're". Just gotta move on :-)