The _images-that-ended-the run of the K20D

normhead · 01-25-2016, 07:26 AM - **4 Likes**

After playing with the series of images that produced these two images, we decided we needed a second K-5.

We just couldn't tease as much out of the K20D images... sometimes close, but no cigar.

Last edited by normhead; 01-25-2016 at 08:54 AM.

DutchGonzo · 01-25-2016, 07:46 AM

Great pictures!

LensBeginner · 01-25-2016, 07:50 AM

Well... obvious choice, given similar starting points regarding exposure values and ISO..?

Gorgeous pictures, by the way!

**Spodeworld** · 01-25-2016, 08:15 AM

Is the first image a K-5 and the second a K20D?

normhead · 01-25-2016, 08:55 AM

Correct.

They were not taken at exactly the same time, so it's not a direct comparison, the K20D images probably had more light, however, we just couldn't get the detail in the shadows with the K20D , we could with the K-5. Tess shot the K-5 , I shot the K-20D, I was determined to show I could do just as good, but in the end, I had to admit we needed s second K-5.

These are the best examples, but we both took over 20 images and compared them all against each other. It was not the detail in the clouds, that changed over the, it was our ability to bring up shadow detail.

**From1980** · 01-25-2016, 09:00 AM

Originally posted by normhead

The _images-that-ended-the run of the K20D
After playing with the series of images that produced these two images, we decided wended a second K-5.

Looks like you make the most of living near Algonquin. Beautiful, especially the first. I have a K20D I am just getting to know so is it the limited dynamic range that makes the K5 necessary? Lack of resolution? Do you print large?

Now I see, just saw your last post.

---------- Post added Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:05 ----------

Guess I'm stuck with the K20D for a while yet but since I still think like a slide film shooter, this scene looks ready made for a graduated ND to me.

normhead · 01-25-2016, 09:08 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by From1980

Looks like you make the most of living near Algonquin. Beautiful, especially the first. I have a K20D I am just getting to know so is it the limited dynamic range that makes the K5 necessary? Lack of resolution? Do you print large?

Now I see, just saw your last post.

---------- Post added Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:05 ----------

Guess I'm stuck with the K20D for a while yet but since I still think like a slide film shooter, this scene looks ready made for a graduated ND to me.

I did fine with the K20D for about 6 months, shooting beside the K-5. This set of pictures really tested the dynamic range of both, but, we also have a lot of pictures where you probably wouldn't be able to tell which was which. W do print large, and really don't notice a difference at 20x30.

Here's couple taken maybe a half hour apart, during the same time period. I'm not sure you can pick out which is the K20D.

This is a K20D image that sold for $300 as a 20x30 canvas. I can say it would have been better taken with a K-5, but I liked the print, and so did the person who bought it.

Last edited by normhead; 01-25-2016 at 09:18 AM.

**csa** · 01-25-2016, 09:16 AM

Norm, What lens were you using? That first image at the beginning of the thread, is stunning!

**From1980** · 01-25-2016, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by normhead

This is a K20D that sold for $300 as a 20x30 camera. I can say it would have ben better taken with a K-5, but I liked the print, and so did the person who bought it.

As do I, thanks for showing it.

normhead · 01-25-2016, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by csa

Norm, What lens were you using? That first image at the beginning of the thread, is stunning!

The first lens is the 21 ltd.

Originally posted by From1980

As do I, thanks for showing it.

Thanks for commenting.

**Spodeworld** · 01-25-2016, 09:36 AM

This is really interesting. Thanks for posting.

Originally posted by normhead

Correct.

They were not taken at exactly the same time, so it's not a direct comparison, the K20D images probably had more light, however, we just couldn't get the detail in the shadows with the K20D , we could with the K-5. Tess shot the K-5 , I shot the K-20D, I was determined to show I could do just as good, but in the end, I had to admit we needed s second K-5.

These are the best examples, but we both took over 20 images and compared them all against each other. It was not the detail in the clouds, that changed over the, it was our ability to bring up shadow detail.

TropicalMonkey · 01-25-2016, 11:39 AM

Are we talking about Emperor's clothes?

normhead · 01-25-2016, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by TropicalMonkey

Are we talking about Emperor's clothes?

What Emporer, what clothes?

TropicalMonkey · 01-25-2016, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by normhead

What Emporer, what clothes?

I did not see anything interesting in the first post :-)
So I was wondering if it is like the Emperor's invisible cloth!

Edit: Turned out that the images are hosted elsewhere and my work firewall is blocking that domain!

**Spodeworld** · 01-25-2016, 02:12 PM

I'm wondering if the position of the sun in the sky has any bearing on this. For example, in the first one the sun is higher, not yet obscured by the mountains and probably shedding more light over the tress. In the second one, the sun already seems to be mostly behind the mountains. And, I'm wondering if the forest is more in shadow as a result.

01-25-2016, 07:26 AM - 4 Likes	#1
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,449	The _images-that-ended-the run of the K20D After playing with the series of images that produced these two images, we decided we needed a second K-5. We just couldn't tease as much out of the K20D images... sometimes close, but no cigar. Last edited by normhead; 01-25-2016 at 08:54 AM.

01-25-2016, 09:00 AM	#6
From1980 Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Essex, Ontario Posts: 682	Originally posted by normhead The _images-that-ended-the run of the K20D After playing with the series of images that produced these two images, we decided wended a second K-5. Looks like you make the most of living near Algonquin. Beautiful, especially the first. I have a K20D I am just getting to know so is it the limited dynamic range that makes the K5 necessary? Lack of resolution? Do you print large? Now I see, just saw your last post. ---------- Post added Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:05 ---------- Guess I'm stuck with the K20D for a while yet but since I still think like a slide film shooter, this scene looks ready made for a graduated ND to me. Last edited by From1980; 01-25-2016 at 09:02 AM. Reason: Additional comment

01-25-2016, 01:14 PM	#14
TropicalMonkey Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Saint Paul Posts: 304	Originally posted by normhead What Emporer, what clothes? I did not see anything interesting in the first post :-) So I was wondering if it is like the Emperor's invisible cloth! Edit: Turned out that the images are hosted elsewhere and my work firewall is blocking that domain! Last edited by TropicalMonkey; 01-27-2016 at 12:25 PM.

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Spodeworld Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Joisey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,370	Is the first image a K-5 and the second a K20D?

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,449 Original Poster	Correct. They were not taken at exactly the same time, so it's not a direct comparison, the K20D images probably had more light, however, we just couldn't get the detail in the shadows with the K20D , we could with the K-5. Tess shot the K-5 , I shot the K-20D, I was determined to show I could do just as good, but in the end, I had to admit we needed s second K-5. These are the best examples, but we both took over 20 images and compared them all against each other. It was not the detail in the clouds, that changed over the, it was our ability to bring up shadow detail.

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,449 Original Poster	Originally posted by From1980 Looks like you make the most of living near Algonquin. Beautiful, especially the first. I have a K20D I am just getting to know so is it the limited dynamic range that makes the K5 necessary? Lack of resolution? Do you print large? Now I see, just saw your last post. ---------- Post added Jan 25th, 2016 at 11:05 ---------- Guess I'm stuck with the K20D for a while yet but since I still think like a slide film shooter, this scene looks ready made for a graduated ND to me. I did fine with the K20D for about 6 months, shooting beside the K-5. This set of pictures really tested the dynamic range of both, but, we also have a lot of pictures where you probably wouldn't be able to tell which was which. W do print large, and really don't notice a difference at 20x30. Here's couple taken maybe a half hour apart, during the same time period. I'm not sure you can pick out which is the K20D. This is a K20D image that sold for $300 as a 20x30 canvas. I can say it would have been better taken with a K-5, but I liked the print, and so did the person who bought it. Last edited by normhead; 01-25-2016 at 09:18 AM.

01-25-2016, 09:16 AM	#8
csa Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Montana mountains Posts: 10,133	Norm, What lens were you using? That first image at the beginning of the thread, is stunning!

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From1980 Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Essex, Ontario Posts: 682	Originally posted by normhead This is a K20D that sold for $300 as a 20x30 camera. I can say it would have ben better taken with a K-5, but I liked the print, and so did the person who bought it. As do I, thanks for showing it.

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,449 Original Poster	Originally posted by csa Norm, What lens were you using? That first image at the beginning of the thread, is stunning! The first lens is the 21 ltd. Originally posted by From1980 As do I, thanks for showing it. Thanks for commenting.

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Spodeworld Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Joisey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,370	This is really interesting. Thanks for posting. Originally posted by normhead Correct. They were not taken at exactly the same time, so it's not a direct comparison, the K20D images probably had more light, however, we just couldn't get the detail in the shadows with the K20D , we could with the K-5. Tess shot the K-5 , I shot the K-20D, I was determined to show I could do just as good, but in the end, I had to admit we needed s second K-5. These are the best examples, but we both took over 20 images and compared them all against each other. It was not the detail in the clouds, that changed over the, it was our ability to bring up shadow detail.

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TropicalMonkey Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Saint Paul Posts: 304	Are we talking about Emperor's clothes?

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normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,449 Original Poster	Originally posted by TropicalMonkey Are we talking about Emperor's clothes? What Emporer, what clothes?

01-25-2016, 02:12 PM	#15
Spodeworld Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Joisey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,370	I'm wondering if the position of the sun in the sky has any bearing on this. For example, in the first one the sun is higher, not yet obscured by the mountains and probably shedding more light over the tress. In the second one, the sun already seems to be mostly behind the mountains. And, I'm wondering if the forest is more in shadow as a result.