Lenses... DPReview, Nikon Wildlife, K1 etc.

MadMathMind · 02-20-2016, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Spodeworld

A Sigma rep told me that making lenses for Pentax is unattractive to them because they have to redesign out the in-lens stabilization (at the request of Pentax users), and consequently they have to use different parts than they otherwise would, in addition to the change of mount. So, it's more hassle than it's worth for the market-share given all extra work and cost that it takes.

That's garbage. They make some lenses for Sony, who also has ISIS.

mee · 02-20-2016, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by MadMathMind

That's garbage. They make some lenses for Sony, who also has ISIS.

Yes, I suspect the actual reason is they see K mount as insignificant to their bottom line. For the past 5 years, we've probably been more of an afterthought due to the hordes of Canon, Nikon, and (now) Sony customers of have essentially lined up, in front of their offices, shouting 'take my money!'

That is where the K-1 steps in.. if you shoot with Pentax but even don't want this particular camera, it is a plus for the cause of attracting more 3rd party lens and accessory manufacturers to produce for Pentax and thus a reason to 'root' for it to succeed; If Ricoh can build a fairly solid FF market, that might appeal to a Sigma type company to start (re)producing their full lens line in K mount

**clackers** · 02-21-2016, 12:27 AM

Originally posted by mee

. For the past 5 years, we've probably been more of an afterthought due to the hordes of Canon, Nikon, and (now) Sony customers of have essentially lined up, in front of their offices, shouting 'take my money!'

Have I missed something?

Sigma don't offer any of their normal lenses in Sony E-mount.

There are three small mirrorless primes they also do for m43 - I own them - but that's all.

**Spodeworld** · 02-22-2016, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by MadMathMind

That's garbage. They make some lenses for Sony, who also has ISIS.

Sony is becoming a bigger player and while Sigma may bear the costs of removing OS (redesign, more expensive to produce due to lost economies of scale), it is becoming too big a player to ignore. So, they must see it was worth their while.

Maybe Pentax, which such a small marketshare just isn't worth all the effort for them if they have to do all these additional steps.

---------- Post added 02-22-16 at 12:39 PM ----------

Originally posted by clackers

No, no, no ... I meant, where are all these Pentax users who want it taken out?

I wish I knew. I told him to check with PentaxForums and see what people are saying, but he said they don't get their direction from forums. I'm not sure how they got that kind of feedback, but he claimed they did and that's what they were responding too. He did also mention the small market as a factor making all these other costs associated a hurdle that they were reluctant to undertake.

With the FF coming out, and the good reputation of the Sigma 24-105 f4 lens, it would be great if they would make one with a Pentax mount. It would be similar to a 16-70 on a crop sensor, making it a good walk around lens. We'll have to see whether they feel it is worth their while to head down that path. But, I assume a lot of Pentax FFs would have to sell before their marketing department would find such a proposition attractive.

Last edited by Spodeworld; 02-22-2016 at 10:43 AM.

**clackers** · 02-22-2016, 02:39 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Spodeworld

I'm not sure how they got that kind of feedback, but he claimed they did

Spodeworld, he's in sales, he lies for a living. 😆

**RGlasel** · 02-22-2016, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by clackers

he's in sales, he lies for a living. ��

Hey, hey. I never lie, but I am careful how much truth I hand out. It's like baiting a seagull, you put out enough bread to get him interested, but never leave the whole sandwich out in the open.

**clackers** · 02-22-2016, 02:55 PM

Originally posted by RGlasel

Hey, hey. I never lie, but I am careful how much truth I hand out. It's like baiting a seagull, you put out enough bread to get him interested, but never leave the whole sandwich out in the open.

If only they all lived by your code! 😀

I have sat through many presentations, including as a tender committee member for a government contract, and have seen sales approaches ranging from data-driven to complete fiction.

Last edited by clackers; 02-22-2016 at 04:15 PM.

panoguy · 02-23-2016, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by clackers

Have I missed something?

Sigma don't offer any of their normal lenses in Sony E-mount.

They do now. Sigma's new MC-11 turns all of their latest (Art, Sports, Contempo) Canon EF lenses into Sony E-mount with AF, aperture control, exif reporting, and OS (and IBIS).
Probably the path of least resistance, but you need Canon lenses!

**clackers** · 02-23-2016, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by panoguy

They do now

Um, no they don't, it's an adapter, not a lens, Panoguy.

There is of course, a difference!

mee · 02-23-2016, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by mee

Yes, I suspect the actual reason is they see K mount as insignificant to their bottom line. For the past 5 years, we've probably been more of an afterthought due to the hordes of Canon, Nikon, and (now) Sony customers of have essentially lined up, in front of their offices, shouting 'take my money!'

That is where the K-1 steps in.. if you shoot with Pentax but even don't want this particular camera, it is a plus for the cause of attracting more 3rd party lens and accessory manufacturers to produce for Pentax and thus a reason to 'root' for it to succeed; If Ricoh can build a fairly solid FF market, that might appeal to a Sigma type company to start (re)producing their full lens line in K mount

Originally posted by Bruce Clark

I sent Sigma a complaint regarding lack of Pentax suppoort.

Response received. Note use of the term "miniscule share"

As a former Pro Photographer for Pentax USA I feel your pain but unfortunately Pentax has such a miniscule share of the market at this point it is not economically feasible to manufacture some of the more esoteric lenses for the mount. Perhaps in time Pentax can regain a more sizeable market share thus making it possible for us to dedicate the factory space required for producing lenses for the mount. Unfortunately there are no plans at the present time that I am aware of to manufacture any specific lenses in the Pentax P/KAF lens mount.
Sincerely,
Paul Pizzano
SIGMA Corporation of America l 15 Fleetwood Ct, Ronkonkoma, NY 11779

guess that was it alright..

panoguy · 02-24-2016, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by clackers

Um, no they don't, it's an adapter, not a lens, Panoguy.

There is of course, a difference!

Oh yes, you're right. You can't take pictures through an adapter!

When will Sigma ever make something for Sony E-mount that allows pictures to be taken??? When!!??

deus ursus · 02-24-2016, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by mee

I think using the M 50 f/2 lens showed either ignorance or laziness on the reviewer's part. Either they didn't know that was a generally poorly rated lens or they did and didn't care. [..]

Or they did, and did care. Anything to make Pentax look bad. ;-)

**clackers** · 02-24-2016, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by panoguy

Oh yes, you're right. You can't take pictures through an adapter!

I use one all the time on my A7, Panoguy, but it *doesn't* count as a lens.

osv · 02-24-2016, 12:49 PM

Originally posted by panoguy

Oh yes, you're right. You can't take pictures through an adapter!

When will Sigma ever make something for Sony E-mount that allows pictures to be taken??? When!!??

Sigma announces 30mm F1.4 for E-mount and Micro 4/3 and 50-100mm F1.8 Art for APS-C: Digital Photography Review

i think that it's all crop stuff tho.

**clackers** · 02-24-2016, 03:34 PM

If you actually read the article, the 50-100 isn't for Sony.

02-21-2016, 12:27 AM	#33
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by mee . For the past 5 years, we've probably been more of an afterthought due to the hordes of Canon, Nikon, and (now) Sony customers of have essentially lined up, in front of their offices, shouting 'take my money!' Have I missed something? Sigma don't offer any of their normal lenses in Sony E-mount. There are three small mirrorless primes they also do for m43 - I own them - but that's all. Last edited by clackers; 02-21-2016 at 01:53 AM.

02-23-2016, 08:37 PM	#39
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by panoguy They do now Um, no they don't, it's an adapter, not a lens, Panoguy. There is of course, a difference! Last edited by clackers; 02-23-2016 at 09:00 PM.

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02-20-2016, 10:09 PM	#31
MadMathMind Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Houston, TX Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,717	Originally posted by Spodeworld A Sigma rep told me that making lenses for Pentax is unattractive to them because they have to redesign out the in-lens stabilization (at the request of Pentax users), and consequently they have to use different parts than they otherwise would, in addition to the change of mount. So, it's more hassle than it's worth for the market-share given all extra work and cost that it takes. That's garbage. They make some lenses for Sony, who also has ISIS.

02-20-2016, 11:08 PM	#32
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by MadMathMind That's garbage. They make some lenses for Sony, who also has ISIS. Yes, I suspect the actual reason is they see K mount as insignificant to their bottom line. For the past 5 years, we've probably been more of an afterthought due to the hordes of Canon, Nikon, and (now) Sony customers of have essentially lined up, in front of their offices, shouting 'take my money!' That is where the K-1 steps in.. if you shoot with Pentax but even don't want this particular camera, it is a plus for the cause of attracting more 3rd party lens and accessory manufacturers to produce for Pentax and thus a reason to 'root' for it to succeed; If Ricoh can build a fairly solid FF market, that might appeal to a Sigma type company to start (re)producing their full lens line in K mount

02-22-2016, 10:31 AM	#34
Spodeworld Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: New Joisey Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,370	Originally posted by MadMathMind That's garbage. They make some lenses for Sony, who also has ISIS. Sony is becoming a bigger player and while Sigma may bear the costs of removing OS (redesign, more expensive to produce due to lost economies of scale), it is becoming too big a player to ignore. So, they must see it was worth their while. Maybe Pentax, which such a small marketshare just isn't worth all the effort for them if they have to do all these additional steps. ---------- Post added 02-22-16 at 12:39 PM ---------- Originally posted by clackers No, no, no ... I meant, where are all these Pentax users who want it taken out? I wish I knew. I told him to check with PentaxForums and see what people are saying, but he said they don't get their direction from forums. I'm not sure how they got that kind of feedback, but he claimed they did and that's what they were responding too. He did also mention the small market as a factor making all these other costs associated a hurdle that they were reluctant to undertake. With the FF coming out, and the good reputation of the Sigma 24-105 f4 lens, it would be great if they would make one with a Pentax mount. It would be similar to a 16-70 on a crop sensor, making it a good walk around lens. We'll have to see whether they feel it is worth their while to head down that path. But, I assume a lot of Pentax FFs would have to sell before their marketing department would find such a proposition attractive. Last edited by Spodeworld; 02-22-2016 at 10:43 AM.

02-22-2016, 02:39 PM - 1 Like	#35
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by Spodeworld I'm not sure how they got that kind of feedback, but he claimed they did Spodeworld, he's in sales, he lies for a living. 😆

02-22-2016, 02:46 PM	#36
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,228	Originally posted by clackers he's in sales, he lies for a living. �� Hey, hey. I never lie, but I am careful how much truth I hand out. It's like baiting a seagull, you put out enough bread to get him interested, but never leave the whole sandwich out in the open.

02-22-2016, 02:55 PM	#37
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by RGlasel Hey, hey. I never lie, but I am careful how much truth I hand out. It's like baiting a seagull, you put out enough bread to get him interested, but never leave the whole sandwich out in the open. If only they all lived by your code! 😀 I have sat through many presentations, including as a tender committee member for a government contract, and have seen sales approaches ranging from data-driven to complete fiction. Last edited by clackers; 02-22-2016 at 04:15 PM.

02-23-2016, 08:01 PM	#38
panoguy Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Washington, D.C. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,327	Originally posted by clackers Have I missed something? Sigma don't offer any of their normal lenses in Sony E-mount. They do now. Sigma's new MC-11 turns all of their latest (Art, Sports, Contempo) Canon EF lenses into Sony E-mount with AF, aperture control, exif reporting, and OS (and IBIS). Probably the path of least resistance, but you need Canon lenses!

02-23-2016, 08:58 PM	#40
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by mee Yes, I suspect the actual reason is they see K mount as insignificant to their bottom line. For the past 5 years, we've probably been more of an afterthought due to the hordes of Canon, Nikon, and (now) Sony customers of have essentially lined up, in front of their offices, shouting 'take my money!' That is where the K-1 steps in.. if you shoot with Pentax but even don't want this particular camera, it is a plus for the cause of attracting more 3rd party lens and accessory manufacturers to produce for Pentax and thus a reason to 'root' for it to succeed; If Ricoh can build a fairly solid FF market, that might appeal to a Sigma type company to start (re)producing their full lens line in K mount Originally posted by Bruce Clark I sent Sigma a complaint regarding lack of Pentax suppoort. Response received. Note use of the term "miniscule share" As a former Pro Photographer for Pentax USA I feel your pain but unfortunately Pentax has such a miniscule share of the market at this point it is not economically feasible to manufacture some of the more esoteric lenses for the mount. Perhaps in time Pentax can regain a more sizeable market share thus making it possible for us to dedicate the factory space required for producing lenses for the mount. Unfortunately there are no plans at the present time that I am aware of to manufacture any specific lenses in the Pentax P/KAF lens mount. Sincerely, Paul Pizzano SIGMA Corporation of America l 15 Fleetwood Ct, Ronkonkoma, NY 11779 guess that was it alright..

02-24-2016, 08:19 AM	#41
panoguy Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Washington, D.C. Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,327	Originally posted by clackers Um, no they don't, it's an adapter, not a lens, Panoguy. There is of course, a difference! Oh yes, you're right. You can't take pictures through an adapter! When will Sigma ever make something for Sony E-mount that allows pictures to be taken??? When!!??

02-24-2016, 11:09 AM	#42
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 658	Originally posted by mee I think using the M 50 f/2 lens showed either ignorance or laziness on the reviewer's part. Either they didn't know that was a generally poorly rated lens or they did and didn't care. [..] Or they did, and did care. Anything to make Pentax look bad. ;-)

02-24-2016, 12:29 PM	#43
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by panoguy Oh yes, you're right. You can't take pictures through an adapter! I use one all the time on my A7, Panoguy, but it doesn't count as a lens.

02-24-2016, 12:49 PM	#44
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by panoguy Oh yes, you're right. You can't take pictures through an adapter! When will Sigma ever make something for Sony E-mount that allows pictures to be taken??? When!!?? Sigma announces 30mm F1.4 for E-mount and Micro 4/3 and 50-100mm F1.8 Art for APS-C: Digital Photography Review i think that it's all crop stuff tho.

02-24-2016, 03:34 PM	#45
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	If you actually read the article, the 50-100 isn't for Sony.